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Andu 2nd Jul 2014 10:29

This arrived as an email from a friend today. I suspect it mirrors the feelings of many, particularly as we hear the Professionally Outraged of the Left decry the current government's attempts to balance the nation's books and shake upwards of half the nation out of the idea, first established by Gough Whitlam and reinforced by every Labor leader since, that they are somehow entitled to be looked after by the public purse without first giving anything themselves towards adding value to that public purse.

Below is a letter written by a young physician by the name of Dr. Starner Jones. His short two-paragraph letter to the Parliament House , Canberra , accurately puts the blame on a Culture Crisis instead of a ‘’Health Care’’ crisis..

Touché !!

It's worth a quick read:

Dear Prime Minister,
During my shift in the Emergency Room last night, I had the pleasure of evaluating a patient whose smile revealed an expensive shiny gold tooth, whose body was adorned with a wide assortment of elaborate and costly tattoos, who wore a very expensive brand of tennis shoes and who chatted on a new cell telephone equipped with a popular R&B ringtone.

While glancing over her patient chart, I happened to notice that her Medical status was listed as "Health Care Card"! During my examination of her, the patient informed me that she smokes more than one costly pack of cigarettes every day and somehow still has money to buy pretzels and beer.

And, you and our Parliament expect me to pay for this woman's health care? I contend that our nation's "health care crisis" is not the result of a shortage of quality hospitals, doctors or nurses. Rather, it is the result of a "crisis of culture", a culture in which it is perfectly acceptable to spend money on luxuries and vices while refusing to take care of one's self or, heaven forbid, purchase health insurance. It is a culture based in the irresponsible credo that "I can do whatever I want to because someone else will always take care of me".

Once you fix this "culture crisis" that rewards irresponsibility and dependency, you'll be amazed at how quickly our nation's health care difficulties will disappear.



Clare Prop 2nd Jul 2014 10:46

Um, there are a few things in there that give it away as coming from the USA!

Andu 2nd Jul 2014 10:47

Makes it no less true for Australia, Clare P.

I saw this on the Piers Ackerman site. It would seem that (as predicted by more than a few here) that Rudd (and Gillard - see the second post) will walk away untouched.

QLD:No charges for Goss cabinet shredders

BRISBANE, July 2 AAP - No charges will be laid against former Goss government ministers over the shredding of child abuse inquiry documents in Queensland more than two decades ago.

Attorney-General Jarrod Bleijie says he has been advised by the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) there are no reasonable prospects of success.
The DPP also determined it would not be in the overall public interest to pursue a prosecution over the shredding of the inquiry documents, he said.
Mr Bleijie said he would not be taking the matter further.

A recent inquiry into the state’s child protection system had recommended the move.

In 1989 retired magistrate Noel Heiner headed an inquiry into allegations of child sex abuse at an Ipswich youth detention centre.

In 1990 the Goss cabinet ordered the documents and tapes of Mr Heiner’s investigation be destroyed after receiving legal advice they were potentially defamatory because the inquiry was not properly set up.

Some, including former union official Kevin Lindeberg, claim a cover-up of the child sex abuse allegations.

There have been 11 inquiries into the “Heiner affair”, the most recent during the wider probe of Queensland’s child protection system.

Inquiry commissioner Tim Carmody concluded there was no evidence of a cover-up but each member of the Goss cabinet was at risk of a criminal conviction in making the decision to destroy the documents.

Former premier Wayne Goss and former treasurer Terry Mackenroth, who was police minister in 1990, were among those who could potentially have been implicated.

Grambo of Sydney (Reply)

doc replied to Grambo


‘The DPP also determined it would not be in the overall public interest to pursue a prosecution over the shredding of the inquiry documents, he said.’

I’ve always had the feeling in my guts this would be the outcome. I figured the polity would protect Rudd on the basis any negative finding against him, a former PM, could be seen as an intolerable black mark against the nation. I have the same feeling that if push came to shove on charging Gillard, the same decision will be made. Our PM’s seem to be above the law, maybe as a self protective measure from those that can control such decisions. Payback still beats national principle by a mile.

When a clutch of learned higher court justices write an open letter under their names that something must be done on an illegality and the finding is made but no case pursued by political choice, then we get some idea of just how impotent our legal system is for the people to get justice against the most powerful of all in the land. It stinks.

500N 2nd Jul 2014 11:02

You have to wonder why the ABC stuck it's head out so far because they may have not been touched so hard if they kept Mum.

Now, apart from budget cuts every year, Abbott is reeling them in with things like this.

"Dr Albrechtsen, a columnist for The Australian and former lawyer, has previously derided the ABC as a "Soviet-style workers collective".

Janet Albrechtsen appointed to ABC and SBS board appointments panel

Captain Sand Dune 2nd Jul 2014 12:14

This will wind up the Lefties and their apologists who post on here:

IN a dramatic escalation of the ‘stop the boats’ campaign Tamil asylum seekers from Sri Lanka are being ferried back to where they came from by an Australian Customs ship.

According to well-placed sources more than 150 Tamils, including up to 37 children, have been transferred to the ACV Ocean Protector for the long voyage back to Sri Lanka where the Sri Lankan government will take them back under an earlier agreement.

It is not clear whether the ship, operating under Operation Sovereign Borders, will steam all the way to a Sri Lankan port or will be met at sea by a Sri Lankan Navy vessel so that the boat people can be transferred.

A Sri Lankan military spokesman said the Sri Lankan navy was not involved.

“There is no plan for the Sri Lankan Navy to take over asylum seekers bound for Australia from [the] Australian Navy,” he said.

The 7000-tonne, 105-metre-long Ocean Protector has a maximum range of 43,000km and can remain at sea for more than 120 days.

She carries a crew of 22 and up to 50 Customs officers and can accommodate up to 150 passengers in ‘austere’ accommodation.

Meanwhile 50 asylum seekers whose Indonesian fishing boat was intercepted north of Christmas Island on Monday have been towed back to Indonesian waters in Australian taxpayer funded life boats behind the 2200-tonne Customs Vessel and ocean going trimaran RV Triton.

Hundreds of people have been removed from Australian waters in expensive lifeboats since Operation Sovereign Borders began nine months ago.

The Abbott Government yesterday again refused to confirm any details of the latest secret ‘on water’ operation to prevent any asylum seekers from setting foot on Australian territory.

7x7 2nd Jul 2014 12:34

Poor Sarah. So deep will be her outrage, (and overwhelming her case of the vapours), will she be able to string two words together to express her horror?

Of cause she will - and the MSM, particularly the ALPBC, will be tripping over their camera cables to line her up in front of their cameras.

And they'll replay her expressing her horror over and over and over again.

I find myself wondering if her parents have a warm inner glow of pride every time they see their daughter on camera. Or if they squirm in embarrassment and wonder where in the hell they went wrong.

SOPS 2nd Jul 2014 14:44

Well, as I suggested a few post ago, they are on the way to a different destination from the one they intended. At least they will be protected from heavy rain, get food and water and be assured the ship won't spring an oil leak. And if it does leak, I am sure one of the great people that crew our ships, will be able to fix it.

Awaiting to see Two Many Dads turning purple and about to self combust on TV. Actually, that's not a bad idea, if she really did self combust!

7x7 2nd Jul 2014 22:54

On the ALPBC this morning, an interview with a refugee advocate giving us details of all the things Tony Abbott is doing wrong with the Tamils attempting to get into Australia. "Their families are becoming increasingly alarmed at hearing nothing from them." / "These people are being held in communicado without (gasp!) access to a lawyer!!!" (Here's a bit of news that might not be apparent to your average inner ciDDy latte sipper: EVERYONE who doesn't have a sat. phone is usually "in comunicado" for as long as they put themselves to sea in a small boat.)

Wait for the interviews with the country shoppers after they are released from the "prison ship".

Compensation claims will surely follow.

Oh, and I forgot. Another comment by the refugee advocate on the ABC: The 50 asylum seekers sent back to Indonesia were sent in an "expensive" life boat. (!!!)

500N 2nd Jul 2014 23:05

Not sure they will get far with court cases.

The AS are safe, secure, warm, fed, med treatment as opposed to being
on a leaky boat !

And I think you'll find the Gov't will fight tooth and nail on any court cases.

rh200 3rd Jul 2014 00:11

Well, it looks I got it half right in my statement of dreaming.

I'm conflicted on whether it is better for the ones from Indo to be towed back, or to be sent to a processing center in Sri Lanka. The latter having the extra satisfaction of "they are actually closer from their original destination than when they left". A sought of one step forward, three steps back sort of thing.

Clare Prop 3rd Jul 2014 01:31

Presumably the Refugee industry people only get their share of the people smugglers' profits if the people get to Australia. No wonder they are so pissed off. Follow the money.....

chuboy 3rd Jul 2014 01:48

Read this article today, an Irishman who lived through the Celtic Tiger writing about the Australian economy bubble.

Sobering reading :(


parabellum 3rd Jul 2014 01:54

If we are not careful we will soon be treated to tales of the first repossession of a refugee advocate or immigration human rights lawyer's house for non payment of mortgage since the boats were stopped!!! Can't wait :ok:

Ethel and Hempy - Do give us a break and yourselves a rest. The LNP have been in power less than a year and have a fearful mess and debt situation to clean up after the previous ALP governments incompetence, a situation you both steadfastly refuse to acknowledge. All the bad news will be delivered in this first year and possible half of the next but do try and remember there are two years more and two budgets more to come, as well as the improvements to the electorate that will derive from the LNP government's housekeeping. See you back here in, say, eighteen months, OK?

CoodaShooda 3rd Jul 2014 04:24


Sobering indeed - but nothing really new either.

Its one point on a spectrum of infinite possibilities - the eventual outcome being dependent upon how we, as a collective, manage our affairs.

Over the past 7 years, we haven't been doing a great job of it. Ramping up borrowings in the face of declining revenues is not exactly a recipe for long term financial viability; for either an individual or a nation.

What's described in the article is part of the inherited mess that the Liberals have been charged with cleaning up.

Given the questionable quality of the current "B Team" front bench, the partisan nature of the current political landscape and labor's unwillingness to acknowledge their manifest recent failings, I doubt the Libs will be completely successful.

Perhaps the best we can hope for is a soft landing, with property values plateauing rather than collapsing.

Or will we rely on foreign buyers to keep the market high.....and unaffordable for our children?

SOPS 3rd Jul 2014 05:32

So reading between the lines, they want lefties only.

ABC Friends label Janet Albrechtsen and Neil Brown panel appointments a 'declaration of war on independence' - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

bosnich71 3rd Jul 2014 06:26

7X7 ........ " their families are becoming increasingly alarmed at hearing nothing from them".
As I said earlier most of these "refugees" have family in Australia and more than likely have been through the official channels for legal immigration to Oz and having failed are now trying the back door version.

500N 3rd Jul 2014 06:30


I wouldn't have thought they would have said anything else but that.

They don't like being interfered with or told what to do, that is so obvious with statements like this.

Hempy 3rd Jul 2014 06:49

Originally Posted by parabellum (Post 8547157)
Ethel and Hempy - Do give us a break and yourselves a rest.

Whilst I claim no political affiliation whatsoever, I observe those that do. Having observed this thread, I grant you your wish and will let you continue your vocal little Right Wing Love Fest free of my 'contradictory sentiment'. Think of it as a free hit for your 'birth-right arrogance' (or in-bred stupidity, whichever fits). No polls needed here, Libs rule. 100%!

See you back here in, say, eighteen months, OK?
Quoted that one in case you deleted it :)

SOPS 3rd Jul 2014 07:01

I was thinking the same thing bos....not only sat phones with lawyers numbers but families as well......something really stinks here.

Andu 3rd Jul 2014 07:35

It would be REALLY interesting if some journalist (Hedley Thomas?) found that some of the well-known Usual Suspects here in Australia had "facilitated" or in some way aided in the departure of the boat load of Tamils from southern India. If that was to occur, I'm standing by for absolute silence from 90% of the MSM in calls that these people be prosecuted for aiding and abetting people in attempting to enter this country illegally. (I say 'illegally' after some consideration, because Tamils who have escaped Sri Lanka to India no longer classify as asylum seekers - they are already in a safe haven. It's just that the safe haven isn't providing them with the standard of living they require - and any further travel to another country without going through the normal immigration process can only be called 'country shopping'.)

On a totally different tack, having seen the reaction in the MSM to Rolf Harris having been found guilty on all counts, (taking down paintings, removing plaques, demands that CDs be tossed out etc., demands that he be stripped of all honours, like his multiple OAMs), will the outrage be as strong if one day in the future, a certain senior Labor politician is found to have been guilty of raping a sixteen year old girl thirty+ years ago?

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