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Takan Inchovit 24th Jun 2014 09:35

Another topic.
Perhaps the ABC should be sent to Egypt? :E

Hempy 24th Jun 2014 11:23

Is it just me, or do the PUP make One Nation look like a bevy of Rhodes Scholars?

Northern Territory Palmer United Party (PUP) MLA Larisa Lee has pleaded guilty to assaulting her 20-year-old niece for having an affair with her husband.

Lee appeared in Katherine Magistrates Court this morning and pleaded guilty to charges of assault and disorderly behaviour in a public place.

She was involved in the fight with her niece outside the Katherine branch of Centrelink in April.

Lee pleaded guilty to punching the 20-year-old in the head several times and dragging her by the hair.

Her lawyer told the court that Lee found photos of her niece and her husband together.

Mr Hope said the politician's husband later admitted to having an extramarital affair.
NT Palmer Party MLA pleads guilty to assault over husband's affair


Worrals in the wilds 24th Jun 2014 11:52

Agreed. Like One Nation, PUP is like watching a car accident in slow motion. If you're out there in Australia and facing an election; vote Labor or vote Liberal. Vote Green or Shooters if you really have to; if you hate them all vote DLP, Dems or Family First. All are legitimate political parties that espouse legitimate political aims, and were formed and run by people who genuinely care about politics.

Take your choice but don't vote Palmer Party, because it's a fustercluck. One man/woman band messianic parties such as PUP and One Nation are nothing more than ego massages for their respective leaders :yuk:. Seriously; vote Liberal rather than PUP, and I don't say that lightly. :} For all I hate about the Libs at least they're a legitimate political party, rather than a [email protected] started by a loud mouthed gob who allegedly tried to buy his way into the Queensland Libs and rightly got hoofed off. If true, it was the only good decision they made...:E

Bear in mind too; Palmer is no miner. He's a Gold Coast property developer who bought mines once he got successful. He's white shoe brigade. Promises, promises; promises and lies. :bored: He has no vision, no scope, no plan; he's nothing more than a right wing anarchist who likes being on the telly a lot. He's dragged a few misplaced idealists along for the ride, and IMO in the long run he will :mad: them like Hanson :mad:ed her true believers.

bosnich71 24th Jun 2014 12:20

Palmer .......... you've got to give to 'em,the Queenslanders just keep on producing them don't they ?

Pinky the pilot 24th Jun 2014 12:21

Worrals; Take a deep breath or two and have a glass or two of a good red!:=:D

Struth, if you keep on like that you`ll blow a foofer valve!:eek::E

BTW, I agree 100% with your post.:ok: You said it far better than I ever could hope to.

De_flieger 24th Jun 2014 13:40

Well, Larisa Lee was selected as a candidate by the Country Liberals, and elected as a Country Liberal! Much as I'm not too thrilled with the PUP mob, she entered parliament as a Liberal and then looks to have thrown her toys out of the party cot along with a couple of others, to then wind up in the PUP.

Saltie 24th Jun 2014 21:04

War in Australia (any Oz Politics)
The Romans and ancient Greeks had the right idea. To be accepted as a political candidate, a man had to be of a minimum age (I think it was 40) and to have completed a number of years either of military or civic service.

But then, look at some of the turkeys they produced.

Having said that, I still like the idea, especially the minimum age.

Captain Sand Dune 24th Jun 2014 22:50

The religion of peace speaks again. From news.com.au this morning:

A RADICAL Islamic spokesman has been stopped from delivering a speech defending honour killings at a cultural festival at The Sydney Opera House.
The event — part of the Festival of Dangerous Ideas — was slammed as a cheap stunt that could have put women’s lives at risk.
The furore comes days after Opera Australia sacked a soprano from performing at the Opera House after an anti-gay slur appeared on her Facebook page.
Federal and state MPs condemned the Opera House for its decision to host Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Uthman Badar in a speech titled “honour killings are morally justified”.
Honour killing involves murdering a woman who is considered to have shamed her family.
The speech, scheduled for August 30, was removed from the festival’s playlist last night following widespread outrage.
The state government is understood to have put pressure on the Opera House with NSW Arts Minister Troy Grant asking for an urgent explanation on why the event was scheduled.
“The NSW government is proud to support programs that enrich our society and culture, but I am concerned this program does not meet that criteria and I have sought an urgent explanation,’’ Mr Grant said.
“Where these ideas have the potential to spark racial tension, they move from dangerous to stupid.”
Hizb ut-Tahrir is a banned radical organisation in Germany and The Netherlands and, before becoming prime minister, Tony Abbott said he would outlaw it here.
Promotional material for the speech said that historically “parents have reluctantly sacrificed their children — sending them to kill or be killed for the honour of their nation, their flag, their king, their religion. But what about killing for the honour of one’s family?”
Foreign Minister Julie Bishop condemned the event, saying: “It is abhorrent for any person, regardless of faith or ethnicity, to argue in support of murder as a means of protecting the so-called honour of any other individual, family or community.”
Federal Deputy Opposition Leader Tanya Plibersek said honour killing was murder, and “any promotion of or justification for it is completely unacceptable”.
Women’s Minister Pru Goward said the event had no place in Australia.
“The justification of honour killings has no place in this country, and frankly I’m surprised the idea is being entertained,” Ms Goward said.
“If Hizb ut-Tahrir and the Islamic Caliphate are trying to improve cultural understanding, I have a tip for them; promoting honour killings is not the way to do it.”
Festival of Dangerous Ideas co-curator Ann Mossop denied Mr Badar was promoting honour killing, despite the event’s title, saying: “There is a distinct line between discussing ideas ... and advocating violence, he is not saying people should perpetrate honour killings,” Ms Mossop said.
But when cancelling Mr Badar’s speech last night, the Opera House stated it believed it crossed a line between provocation to thought and simply provocation.
“The Festival of Dangerous Ideas is intended to be a provocation to thought and discussion, rather than simply a provocation,” the statement read.
“It is always a matter of balance and judgement and in this case a line has been crossed. Accordingly, we have decided not to proceed with the scheduled session with Uthman Badar. “It is clear from the public reaction that the title has given the wrong impression of what Mr Badar intended to discuss.
“Neither Mr Badar, the St James Ethics Centre nor the Sydney Opera House in any way advocates honour killings or condones any form of violence against women.”
Mr Badar hit back last night, tweeting: “Hysteria wins out. Welcome to the free world, where freedom of expression is a cherished value.”
Why do we tolerate this? Oh that's right - Australia is yet another country too scared to tell Muslims to pull their heads in.

Captain Sand Dune 24th Jun 2014 23:32

I note that there has been widespread condemnation of the sentence handed to Peter Greste following the farcical trial in Egypt. As a father of three adult boys myself, I feel for his parents who are understandably gutted.
But should we be surprised? Peter Greste was working in an unstable country and not embedded in a military unit where he could expect some protection. There are many countries that do not value freedom of speech as we do, and therefore treat journalists with suspicion. (I’m suspicious of journalists anyway, but that’s another story!). Indeed those in power in such countries only want their version of the truth to be reported and treat any contradiction swiftly and ruthlessly. Surely Peter Greste knew this, and the risks involved.
Although I also disagree with what has happened to Peter Greste, it does for me bring into focus something we in the West seem to forget. Freedom – and in this case freedom of speech – is a privilege which has been paid for in blood and sometimes needs to be defended. We should not fall for the mistake of expecting others to act in accordance with our norms.
Hysterical lecturing of Egypt on the values of free speech is the worst thing we can do. After 7 ½ years working in the Middle East, my advice would be to smile, nod and pay the bribe. I wish Peter the Greste the best of luck.

500N 24th Jun 2014 23:36

I agree, Lecturing them is the last thing to do.

I said to my GF, he'll be out once the hooha has died down, Qatar and Eygpt aren't at east others throats - or less so than they are now and the Aussie Gov't can have a quiet word to Egypt and pay whatever.

It is not in Egypt's interests to have him in jail.

hoofie 25th Jun 2014 01:28

Re Peter Greste.

Our biggest problem is we have zero leverage in the region apart from a little with Israel which isn't exactly useful in this scenario.

Yes, Peter knew the risks and was I am sure, like most journalists, a bit of an idealist; but to be given 7 years in an Egyptian jail after a farce of a show-trial really is an outrage.

Remember he was also banged up with 2 colleagues who I doubt have National governments lobbying for their release.

MTOW 25th Jun 2014 02:25

Interesting interview on Sky last night with the Brit female anchor at Al Jazeera in Doha, who was sentenced to ten years in prison in absentia by the Cairo court. (I think she was not the only one to be sentenced in absentia, but am not sure of that.)

She's virtually unable to travel anywhere in Africa or elsewhere in the Middle East, including Dubai and Bahrain, because all those countries have treaties with Egypt with demand that she be arrested if she shows up in any of these countries.

Pretty effective way of shutting down any journalist who doesn't follow the company line. And the current government in Egypt is what many in the West would classify as 'the good guys', or at the very least, as the 'least bad'.

Crazy part of the world. Spare a bit of sympathy for the many thousands of Egyptians who for decades, have relied upon the tourist dollar to put (in many cases) a pretty meagre meal on the table. Not too many of those coming in at the moment, I suspect, and nor for the foreseeable future, at least from Westerners.

500N 25th Jun 2014 02:32

Must be two of them sentanced to 10 years.

Article in yesterdays papers "Dutch journalist Rena Netjes, Netjes also was sentenced on Monday, to 10 years in prison. But Netjes, the Cairo correspondent for Holland's Parool newspaper and BNR radio, learned of her sentence from the safety of her home in Holland.

"Pretty effective way of shutting down any journalist who doesn't follow the company line."

Wasn't part of what they were arrested for actually done during the Muslims Brotherhood time in power ? Would have to check. It's hard when people chop and change at the top.

Egypt is going to be stuffed for quite a while now.

bosnich71 25th Jun 2014 02:49

MTOW .... a journalist from a Western country is sentenced to 10 years, in absentia, after a farce of a trial and so prevented from travelling to major parts of the globe but a convicted terrorist/murderer/rapist whatever cannot be deported from the U.K. for instance, because his "Human Rights" may be infringed ....in one case because he had a cat FFS !
What Western countries should now be doing is treating places like Egypt etc. in the same way that they treat the West and deporting anyone guilty of any crime back to the S*** H**e that they originated from regardless of any rights of any sort.

Worrals in the wilds 25th Jun 2014 03:58

Crazy part of the world. Spare a bit of sympathy for the many thousands of Egyptians who for decades, have relied upon the tourist dollar to put (in many cases) a pretty meagre meal on the table. Not too many of those coming in at the moment, I suspect, and nor for the foreseeable future, at least from Westerners.
True. It's a place I've always wanted to visit but I wouldn't go within a bull's roar of it at the moment. Partly becuase it's really unstable and partly because of them jailing these journos; the whole thing is a farce and I'd rather spend the money somewhere else. As for being the good guys, what about Morocco and Tunisia? Aren't their governments reasonable at the moment? Likewise Turkey?

Wiley 25th Jun 2014 04:55

I did the Egypt tour over ten years ago, just weeks after the last big massacre of tourists (I think) in the Valley of the Kings. We figured (correctly, as it turned out), that security would be so high that it would probably be even more safe than usual.

We almost had the place to ourselves. For the poor buggers who relied upon tourism, it was calamity. We went out to the Temple of Delphi, an evening light show that usually caters for 1000 people per performance, to be greeting by the only two tourists there ahead of us, who were all over us like a rash because the people wouldn't run the show for only two people, but with six now there, they would.

When we caught the boat out to the island, there must have been 200 boats at anchor ready to take tourists out to the island. Apart from the couple who had gone out ahead of us, we (four of us) were the only tourists the poor buggers saw that night.

We were told at the time (it was only three or so weeks after the killings) that it wasn't the police or the army who hunted down and caught the terrorists who killed the busload of Japanese tourists, but the stall holders and other locals who relied upon tourism for the living.

As has been mentioned above, it's probably even worse, and certainly more long-lasting, today than it was then, so the Egyptians who rely on tourism must be in dire straits. I wouldn't even visit the place today, let alone go out into the countryside playing tourist as I happily did back then. And remember, some among the Muslim Brotherhood, while in government, spoke seriously of destroying the Pharoic monuments because they are non-Islamic, just as the Taliban Government destroyed the giant Buddhist carvings in Afghanistan while they were in power.

Wiley 25th Jun 2014 05:00

Worrals, just saw your post. Over the last four or five years, Islamist parties are becoming far more powerful in Turkey and threatening to undo everything Kemal Atatuk did in secularising Turkey after assuming power there in 1922.

MTOW 25th Jun 2014 05:28

A comment regarding the honour killing speech cut and pasted from the Andrew Bolt blog that I must say I agree with.

I think it’s a shame it was cancelled. In the interests of free speech, I would have preferred if this strange little man got to go on stage and profess his bigotry, hatred and real, genuine, women-are-chattels misogyny to the world.

As Brandis said, bigots have a right to be bigots. It’s true, and this guy is exhibit A.

I particularly love how he singles out (white) people. Like people with other colour skin would be totally OK for murdering your own daughter if she dated the wrong guy.

brc (Reply)
Wed 25 Jun 14 (08:25am)

500N 25th Jun 2014 05:31

I agree.

I think he should have been allowed to speak, then it should have been recorded and played and played and played for all it's worth to show people what is what.

It might have made a few people sit up and take notice.

And they call Abbott sexist !!!

SOPS 25th Jun 2014 06:23

Where is Juliar giving us all a big ranting speech about this guy?

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