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allan907 4th Jun 2012 09:22

What was that figure? 3,700? And it's only June!

Now, who was it that said "Another boat, another policy failure? Perhaps one of the faithful few could remind us just who it was that said that.

SOPS 4th Jun 2012 09:43

Why doesnt Juliar just hire the Sun Princess or something similar, go to Jakarta and fill the bloody thing up, and bring them all back in one load!!!!

Andu 4th Jun 2012 11:21

It will be interesting to see if tonight's '4 Corners' dealing with Australian-based people smugglers excites the Labor politicians into as much action as the live cattle exports to Indonesia programme did.

Red Kerry's closing comments were enlightening: "How is it that one small team of journalists was able to uncover in a few weeks what the AFP, with all its resources, has been unable to do in many years?"

RJM 4th Jun 2012 13:05

Julia Gillard on Q & A next week.

SOPS 4th Jun 2012 13:25

Just watched the last half of four corners..wow!!! If this does not spur the government into some drastic action, then something really really rotten is going on deep in the bowels of Canbera.

RJM 4th Jun 2012 14:19

As they said - what is AFP doing?? The Minister responsible for the AFP is the Minister for Home Affairs, Brendan O'Connor MP. We'll see a resignation, of course... :rolleyes:

1DC 4th Jun 2012 14:54

Your PM looked a real miserable old biddy when she was lighting the Jubilee beacon, assume she has other things on her mind!!

allan907 4th Jun 2012 15:39

And on top of all that particular pile of scheissen there's also the small matter of Gary Grey being dictated to by the WA union heavies who look as though they might just make double IQ figures if you lump them all together.

Everyone on this thread knows full well that I don't hold any kind of candle for this rotten ALP administration but Gary Grey ought not to have to put up with this old fashioned union standover tactics.

It merely serves to demonstrate the unplumbable depths to which Gillard and Rudd have lead the ALP to.

I cannot imagine that even the dear departed, the faithful few, or anybody with any kind of conscience can defend this lot.

Maybe on Q & A next week somebody should be stating the obvious..."For God's sake prime minister why don't you just go".

RJM 4th Jun 2012 18:33

She's unlikely to go for the same reason that the Labor heavies at Sussex St, who imagine that they control politics in Australia, won't countenance change.

There's a push in the ALP, led by Sam Dastyari, to allow rank and file members some say in pre-selections. Imagine that! Democracy!

Union membership has been falling for years, along with membership of the ALP which has dropped from 38,000 to 31,000 since 2006.

It's quite obvious that something needs to be done. Pre-selections have been made more democratic in Labor type parties around the world, but not here. Over the dead bodies of those at Sussex St, in fact. Why should they allow change? They have power now, but can see no further.

Wiley 4th Jun 2012 21:51

Re the 4 Corners programme: the big question is how was it that Capt Imad got such an early release from detention? Could someone have been paid off?

The next question is: what will happen to him, his wife and adult children, who are occupying four (*** FOUR!!!) government houses in Canberra under false pretences? Will they lose their Australian residency and be deported?

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that.

The AFP's inaction on this matter over how many years smacks of the Craig Thomson/Fair Work Australia affair (pun intended). It stinks of them being told by someone very, very senior not to push their investigations too hard - if at all.

parabellum 5th Jun 2012 00:12

I think the only conclusion we can draw is that the ALP/Greens actually want to encourage people smuggling, indeed they will bend over backwards to facilitate it, hence the blind eye. The wife and daughter of Imad actually told authorities that Imad was dead! They should all be up for deportation, question is will they be deported?

Clare Prop 5th Jun 2012 01:25

Bearing in mind they shut down an entire industry based on one of these programmes it would look even worse for them if we get some kind of dismissive comment from the relevant ministers about how it's just some irrelevant TV programme. Interesting how ASIO wasn't mentioned.

It's high time the UN convention, actually the whole UN, got torn up, it is so widely abused now.

Otherwise we could end up like the UK, where this sort of thing is commonplace, and they cant deport/jail them because it's against their human rights because they have a cat they are fond of or somesuch thing.

allan907 5th Jun 2012 02:52

The majority of Australians oppose government plans to price carbon, new polling reveals.

Sixty-three per cent say they're against the introduction of a fixed price on carbon, leading to an emissions trading scheme.

And 57 per cent say they're in favour of coalition plans to scrap carbon pricing.
That piece of news wouldn't have gone down too well with the weeties for Jooliar this morning.

Dead man (woman) walking :ok:

Worrals in the wilds 5th Jun 2012 03:34

I wonder if Labor will formulate plans to scrap both carbon pricing and Gillard in a two-for-one effort. It's been muttered about for a while now. :suspect:

david1300 5th Jun 2012 04:01

Originally Posted by 1DC (Post 7226133)
Your PM looked a real miserable old biddy when she was lighting the Jubilee beacon, assume she has other things on her mind!!

She is a real miserable old biddy ;)

Pinky the pilot 5th Jun 2012 04:46

It's been muttered about for a while now.
Certainly has, but will that be all that is done, just muttering about it? Who amongst the Labor front bench (or the back bench for that matter) would be willing to take a now extremely poisoned chalice?

My own hope is that Juliar remains as leader until the next election thereby guaranteeing a wipeout that will make the removal of the Whitlam Govt look like a minor loss!

But in the meantime though....:ugh:

'Poor bugger, my country':sad:

Lex Talionis 5th Jun 2012 05:00

Meanwhile Joe Hockey has surely upset his boss by telling the world that the Australian economy is better than most while at almost the same time Tony Abbott was saying the opposite.

Hockey talking up our economy praised the unemployment rate in Australia while Dr No with his relentless and unthinking attitude talked our economy down once again.

He as Peter Costello said has no idea of economics and giving him the job of PM would be like giving a bouncer the job of running the pub but after watching him run out of parliament like some frightened rabbit I think he is more of a stage managed image than any sort of real leader.He is more like a girl guide trying to look as though she could manage the local store.

I can only wonder what the Liberal power brokers must be thinking.

If those who support him tell us how good he is then why is his approval rating basically the same as Gillards?

Here's a hint: Dump the Chump before he gives the government a chance to win the unwinnable election.Change your leader before it's too late and maybe that's exactly what Hockey is doing at the moment by showing the difference between himself and Dr No.

RJM 5th Jun 2012 05:39

She is a real miserable old biddy
The 'real Julia' at last!

Andu 5th Jun 2012 07:13

Lex, I find myself hoping you actually reside in in the location given in your profile. (Which would reinforce the sweeping generalisations many of us in 'the West Island' light heartedly apply to our cousins across the water, particularly during cricket or rugby matches.)

However, I believe it is far more likely that wherever you live, (indulging in a little outsourcing, are we?), you earn your living as a full time employee of the Labor Party, tasked to troll the net daily and come up with (I'm assuming unintentionally) risible conclusions and reflections on any item in the news even remotely associated with Tony Abbott.

Here's a news item for you Lex: 99% of the people who say they want Malcolm Turnbull back as leader of the Libs will vote Labor (or at least put Labor ahead of the Libs in their preferences). They want Turnbull for two reasons: (1) he's more Labor than most Labor parliamentarians and (2) he's an election loser. Which is why they want him back leading the Libs.

Lex Talionis 5th Jun 2012 07:50

Andu,what makes you think I'm not Australian because my location at the time of joining was NZ?

I (and probably the mods as well) think it's better to stick to politics and not start second guessing locations and nationalities.

Back to your post though and I would be grateful if you could help me by showing where in my post I was endorsing Turnbull?

Is it because the far right are worried and fearfull that Abbott will be replaced by someone else in the opposition with a more balanced view of the world who is held in more esteem and who actually has an idea of how the economy works than Dr No does?

I did mention Joe Hockey though and to be honest I do think that Joe Hockey and Turnbull would be a far better team than Bishop and Dr No.

Now back to a very topical issue and that is the matter of Australian companies importing foreign workers ostensibly because they can't get enough workers for the task here which we all know is as likely as the Elvis turning up for a gig at the opera house in Sydney.

Jetstar accused of underpaying cabin crew - Yahoo!7 Finance Australia

"Jetstar is being taken to court for allegedly underpaying cabin crew that were recruited in Thailand.
The eight crew members are allegedly being paid less than half of what they are entitled to when they work on domestic routes in Australia.
The Fair Work Ombudsman began taking action in the Federal Court on Friday for the workers, but says it may take action for up to 300 international cabin crew rostered on Jetstar's domestic routes.
Two Asian companies which recruit staff for Jetstar - Valuair and Tour East - are facing court over the matter.
Both companies are part owned by Qantas"

With Australians looking for work and Gina getting the nod to bring foreigners to work I am disgusted with the Labor government.

As far as the refugee situation is concerned didn't Abbott vote against off shore processing?

I would like to find out what many here would define as a socialist state and if they agree with taxation?

By the way I wonder if many people remember Tony Abbott advocating a carbon tax??????

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