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500N 26th May 2014 03:33

Ken

I don't know where you live so can't comment.

Ken Borough 26th May 2014 03:53

i live in what is currently Australia's largest city. I can go about freely without a care in the world. I can't say the same for my experiences in many other parts of the world. Nor can I say that there is any other place in the world where care and consideration for others is at the front of mind and part of our national DNA. I will say however if the Noalition continues with its hard-line ideological clap-trap, this happy situation may not continue for much longer. I don't think our grand-children will enjoy life as we have known it. :ok: .

500N 26th May 2014 04:00

Go out to Macquarie fields :O

or Broadmeadows in Melbourne !


OK, as a rule, you are right with some bad pockets, some bad areas
and some bad people.

alisoncc 26th May 2014 04:04


I betcha that most Australians would agree that we have a peaceful and gentle society where we are ever ready to help the unfortunate, disabled and those having a hard time of things
Not if Abbott and Hockey have their way. But then again they are both practising Catholics so can't really expect any compassion or understanding.

Clare Prop 26th May 2014 04:06

mgahan, AFAIK LA Gillard abolished the discount for up front payments, though the website said it was "Subject to the passage of legislation", therefore taking away the incentive to be lumbered with a millstone around your neck for life and shock horror save the taxpayer some bucks.

In any case it was the last straw for me wanting to finish a course I have reluctantly had to keep deferring.

Ken Borough 26th May 2014 04:27


But then again they are both practising Catholics so can't really expect any compassion or understanding.
As a somewhat imperfect Catholic, I resent that statement. :{ Many Catholics are opposed to the ethos of those belonging to the Abbottoir. Go have a read of some of the articles on Eureka Street or on the website of the Catholic Bishops Conference and you will see what our Catholic leaders and thinkers say about of this mob.

Perhaps religion is best left out of this discussion or we'll all be banned (or rooned). :ok:

BenThere 26th May 2014 04:34


they are both practising Catholics so can't really expect any compassion or understanding
Are you for real?

I attended a Catholic wedding yesterday and the message I got is that the Catholic church is all about compassion and understanding.

Worrals in the wilds 26th May 2014 05:43


As a somewhat imperfect Catholic, I resent that statement. :{
Same.
And plenty of Micks vote Labor.

Clare Prop 26th May 2014 07:24

I'm a lapsed catholic but find that remark offensive.

Substitute the word "Catholic" for another certain "religion of peace" and imagine the howls of outrage from certain sections of society. The howls could even be murderous, but that's OK of course :ugh:we really must respect that sort of thing it's their culture, innit.

Go and do some volunteering in Lourdes with the malades and learn about real compassion and real suffering. :mad:

Captain Sand Dune 26th May 2014 08:32


Substitute the word "Catholic" for another certain "religion of peace" and imagine the howls of outrage from certain sections of society. The howls could even be murderous, but that's OK of course we really must respect that sort of thing it's their culture, innit.
Clare, Clare, Clare!! Don'tcha know that only white Christian Anglo-Saxon makes are racist, bigoted misogynists.:rolleyes:

SOPS 26th May 2014 08:43

Yes, it's all ok for certain types to hold up signs in the middle of Sydney demanding beheadings. But if anything in the slightest happens the other was round, all hell breaks loose.

But, as we can see via the EU election results, the ground swell is moving to the right, even to the far right. And the lefty, let me all in and tolerate what ever it is they want to do ( including molest children if your an Afgan), will no longer be tolerated.

500N 26th May 2014 09:15

Well, here is a turn up for the books.

Went to the local Chicken and Chip shop. Ordered what I had to order
and had a look along the counter while waiting.

The owner had 8 different pamphlets on Islam, the first one being "Islam is not extremist" and quoted a part of the Koran where is says taking the life ........ etc.

The other pamphlets also explained different bits of Islam. I made a comment about "getting the word out there" and he said yes.

Not sure where he is from but got the impression he doesn't like being tarred with the same brush !

Anyway, I see it as a positive :ok:

Ken Borough 26th May 2014 10:02


Well, here is a turn up for the books.
Ding, dong! Not all who follow Islam are extremists. Not all Catholics lack compassion. Not all Protestants are Wasp-ish. Not all who vote Liberal are right wing ideologues. Instead of smelling the coffee or roses, perhaps you've had a whiff of the chicken and chips? :ok:

Worrals in the wilds 26th May 2014 10:34


Yes, it's all ok for certain types to hold up signs in the middle of Sydney demanding beheadings. But if anything in the slightest happens the other was round, all hell breaks loose.
IIRC I was pretty vocal condemning all that crap ;), as were a lot of so-called lefties (though not all, I accept that). IIRC those who weren't tended to be the usual gobby socialist extremists who are no more representative of the general leftie population than their equivalents on the right. Both sets of gobs get far too much airtime.

The other pamphlets also explained different bits of Islam. I made a comment about "getting the word out there" and he said yes.
The local Muslim Association constantly put out statements and press releases condemning extremist Islam. They organized an annual Ramadan festival at South Bank for both Muslim and non Muslim people to come along, mingle and share opinions, which has been quite successful. However, by and large the media ignores them (or runs their stuff on page 45 after all the Bryn/Kim/Reality TV dross :zzz:) because they're being reasonable, and reasonable opinions don't sell papers. Their strong criticism of the beheading protest was printed, but IMO fairly begrudgingly.

The internet cops a lot of blame for modern Megaphone Politics, but IMO the print media have also played a big part. Most newspapers these days seem to be edited with the express purpose of annoying the heck out of their readers, whether it's by running stories about annoying celebutards, extremist political points of view or simply by including as many spelling/grammatical/factual errors as possible. :} Maybe people buy more papers when they're annoyed; maybe it sells more advertising. Either way, it certainly doesn't encourage sensible debate.

SOPS 26th May 2014 14:04

Why do I do it? I should just stick my tounge in a power point. I'm watching Q and A, it is so loaded to the left. Can we please ban it?

Ethel the Aardvark 26th May 2014 14:30

Or you could show a bit of intelligence and watch somthing else like the bolt report.
Blabbott has finally got his pecuniary interests up to date, no mention of the institute lobby amount, whoops I mean the scholarship.

500N 26th May 2014 15:13

Ken

I thought my post might surprise you - and a few others.
I know not all Muslims are extremist (even though my posts might not say that :p). I live in a street with a few - the changing of Australia !

It was just interesting to see them placed so prominently in a shop - dead centre where you had no choice but to see them and to be honest, probably the first time I have seen them.

parabellum 26th May 2014 23:33

I see Ethel has been at the meths again! Good thing about meths is that it will eventually kill you :ok:


"A deliberate and frenzied campaign if misinformation" - A senator describing the ALP's response to the budget, sounds pretty fair too.


Nice to see that allisoncc is sufficient of a lady to apologise when she has stuffed up.

alisoncc 27th May 2014 00:30

If you are referring to my comments about Catholics Parabellum, me apologise, never.

Previously I made a comment about women with children begging on the streets in Dublin. Whilst working with Aer Lingus an old air force acquaintance invited me for dinner at a swishy restaurant on St Stephens Green. Inside a cavernous downstairs basement that was the restaurant just about every table was occupied by men of the cloth, tucking in to the very best food and drink available. There must have been fifty to sixty of them. Outside on the pavement was a woman with children begging. I doubt that any of the diners even gave it a thought.

A few months later, back in London, talking to a charter flight pilot who told of their most recent flight to the South of Italy and back, with a dozen Bishops of the Catholic Church. They had been attending some Bishops conference there. Apparently the night before departing these Bishops had gone around some of the poorest villages in the area collecting to pay for their charter flight back.

Flying in Papua New Guinea in the early seventies used to visit many of the missionary stations. What stood out like a sore thumb was that whilst most of the missionaries lived in amongst the locals, sharing their food and life, the Catholics had there donga well outside the villages and collected the very best of food and produce from the village to support their lifestyle. That included delivery of cases of wine, etc. by airfreight.

So no Parabellum I make no apology for my comments. As for compassion and understanding, that only extends to their own when caught interferring with children.

Ethel the Aardvark 27th May 2014 01:21

Parra my friend, meths is all I can afford after the budget I am afraid.
However Mr intelligent looking Phony has paid out of his own pocket the shimano gears, listed 23 other pecuniary interests ( including charity work by his wife bless her) but the $60000 scholarship that appears to have been destined for his daughter alone is not mentioned. Of course it's not lobbying!!!
Someone needs to tell this rabble that if you announce a budget of these proportions that looking humble and sincere Is the way to go, not smug, smarmy and dancing to ' this is the best day of my life'
Hic hic


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