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Andu 1st Jun 2012 23:15

With Joole's massive defence cuts (following just a few short years after Kevni's announcement of massive - and totally unrealistic - expansion of our defence capabilities with his fantasy 'Force 2030'), a quick delve into fiction, (even science fiction, no less), might be instructive for some.

Short Story - Superiority - by Arthur C. Clarke

The ultimate cause of our failure was a simple one: despite all statements to the contrary, it was not due to lack of bravery on the part of our men, or to any fault of the Fleet's. We were defeated by one thing only - by the inferior science of our enemies. I repeat - by the inferior science of our enemies.
Like many of the good science fiction writers, Arthur C Clarke nailed it, with some accuracy, on where our society was heading. The Australian defence "industry's" fascination with newer, bigger, brighter, more complex, more expensive stuff that all too often doesn't work (just as Clarke's fictional General lists in the article above) could be amusing if only the dire results of the succession of poor decisions made by bureaucrats and politicians - and yes, generals, air marshals and admirals as well - did not have such potentially catastrophic consequences for the nation.

See also: Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

A SECRET chapter in the Rudd government's 2009 defence white paper detailed a plan to fight a war with China, in which the navy's submarines would help blockade its trade routes, and raised the prospect of China firing missiles at targets in Australia in retaliation.

bob johns 2nd Jun 2012 13:56

bob johns
War with China in one way or another is inevitable ,either as direct confrontation or more likely a financial strangulation. What ever--,the fifth collumn is well and truly in place to see this place go tits up and the hedonistic ,mainstream, Hollywood and sport besotted muppits will squeal --We are Australian ,you cant do this to us !!! Sorry about that, but the sooner we ,as Aussies get it through our heads is that most of our neighbors hate our guts for what we are (or were) white Christian and rich and doing nothing with the great land we have.Unlike Poland in 1939 we wont have anyone who gives a shit ,because while ever the recources continue to flow the world wont give a rodents rectum whose flag flies over the mine site .Oh yes and a disarmed citizenry as well.

MattGray 2nd Jun 2012 14:28

while ever the recources continue to flow the world wont give a rodents rectum whose flag flies over the mine site .
And the Liberals already have that flag well and truly organized.:yuk::yuk:

Isaac Hunte 2nd Jun 2012 22:31

I'm guessing this is the Liberal's response to the homophobic Tony Abbott poster spotted in Tanya Plibersek's office recently. Clive Palmer comes in at #3.


Buster Hyman 3rd Jun 2012 00:11

Well Matt, that's about the third time my responses to your rubbish have been deleted by the Mods. You're not worth the thread being shut down for, so bye, and thanks for your irrelevance.

rh200 3rd Jun 2012 05:34

Wasn't the idea of reducing our defence budget offset by having Yanky base's here. We give them land and access to our woman and provide a token defence force and they look after us.

Captain Sand Dune 3rd Jun 2012 06:58

No, lefties just don't like the concept of a well funded, armed and trained defence force.
The vast majority of uniformed people don't vote for them, but since we're talking less than 100,000 they don't really care. However what they seem to forget is the burgeoning defence industy which employs lots of civilians of voting age.

Andu 3rd Jun 2012 07:45

Today's boat brought in 150 for the assimilation* stakes.

Second suspected asylum vessel arrives
From: AAP June 03, 2012 12:57PM
ANOTHER boat suspected of carrying suspected asylum seekers has been intercepted by the navy north of Christmas Island - the second this weekend.

HMAS Ararat intercepted the vessel, estimated to be carrying 150 people, in the early hours of this morning.

Those on board will be transferred to Christmas Island for security, health and identity checks.

The arrival follows the interception of a vessel carrying an estimated 87 asylum seekers yesterday, which was also apprehended near Christmas Island.
*The question being, with the ridiculous level of imbecilic political correctness we're seeing overtaking the country, who will be expected to do the assimilating?

MattGray 3rd Jun 2012 08:06

40 boats as Abbott votes against offshore processing

The Minister for Immigration and Citizenship, Chris Bowen MP, and Minister for Home Affairs, Jason Clare MP, said the latest boat arrival today was a direct consequence of Tony Abbott and the Coalition's destructive negativity.
The boat is the 40th to arrive since Tony Abbott said 'no' to working with the Government to implement offshore processing and instead chose to play petty politics on the issue of boat arrivals.
'Tony Abbott's destructive negativity knows no bounds. He criticises the Government for boat arrivals, and yet yesterday he voted 'no' in the House of Representatives to block offshore processing legislation,' Mr Bowen said.
'But despite Mr Abbott's 'no' vote, the offshore processing legislation did pass through to the next stage of consideration. He needs to stop running away from doing anything constructive on boat arrivals and reverse his vote when the bill returns to Parliament.'
Mr Clare said it was time for Mr Abbott to act in the national interest and stop saying 'no' to Nauru and Malaysia.
'Working together we can help stop people dying at sea. We can pass legislation to introduce offshore processing,' Mr Clare said.
'If Mr Abbott is serious about stopping the boats he must stop saying no and pass our legislation to allow asylum seekers to be processed offshore.'
Joint media release with Chris Bowen MP - Minister for Immigration and Citizenship and Jason Clare MP - Minister for Home Affairs, Minister for Justice and Minister for Defence Materiel.

MattGray 3rd Jun 2012 08:31

Ministerial Media Statement from the Qld Liberal Premier
The Honourable Campbell Newman

Friday, June 01, 2012
New citizens call Australia home during Queensland Week
Tomorrow will be a very special day for more than 500 of Australia’s newest citizens who have chosen Saturday 2 June to make a Pledge of Commitment to their newly-adopted country.

Premier Campbell Newman said the Queensland Week Citizenship Ceremony, to be held at the Brisbane Exhibition and Convention Centre, will welcome candidates from 60 countries.

“This is a memorable occasion for these candidates who have chosen Queensland as their new homes,” Mr Newman said.

“Becoming a citizen represents an official sense of belonging to our country and tomorrow candidates will take the final step by taking a Pledge of Commitment.

“The Queensland Government is very proud to host this citizenship ceremony during Queensland Week, an annual celebration of our state, and will warmly welcome our newest citizens.

“People from all over the world fall in love with the Australian way of life, and what better place to settle than in our sunny state of Queensland.”

For the Aung Family, they saw Australia as a safe haven to bring up their family. Before coming to Australia on a refugee visa in 2007, Nan Aung and his family lived in the Bang Don Yang refugee camp on the North-East Thai-Burmese border. During this time they lived on rations in a small bamboo house with no electricity and were constantly faced with war and fighting.

“We have now lived here for five years and feel safe and accepted. We can’t wait to become true blue Aussies,” Mr Aung said.

For Fabian Jaramillo Arroyave and his partner Carolina, Australia was a land of opportunities. Originally from Colombia, the medical practitioners settled in Blackbutt before moving around the state and it immediately became clear they wanted to become Australian citizens.

“We wanted to be able to continue enjoying the great opportunities and lifestyle that Australia has to offer, whilst also contributing and providing back to the country,” Dr Jaramillo Arroyave said.

More than four million people have become citizens since Australian citizenship was introduced in 1949.

Clare Prop 3rd Jun 2012 09:12

It was The Greens and the High Court that said NO to Malaysia. AS well as the majority of Australian citizens who saw it as just another stupid, unworkable, expensive and inhumane Labor policy.

And most Aussies get that despite the endless "It's all Tony Abbott's fault" propaganda. We're not listening and sick of the kindergarten playground Albanese and co, with the help of Madam Deputy Speaker, have turned OUR parliament into.

Still waiting for Bowen to tell us what happens to person #801.

It's quite clear that Labor have no intention of doing anything to discourage the boats and the people smugglers.

And if like Rudd and the Oceanic Viking emotional blackmail debacle is the best they can do then we may as well abolish the defence force altogether.

tolakuma manki 3rd Jun 2012 09:32

Facts for refuge immigration
Australian Immigration Fact Sheet 60 - Australia's Refugee and Humanitarian Program

SOPS 3rd Jun 2012 10:00

Do they have any, I repeat any idea how to stop the boats? Or are Juliar an Co just closing their eyes, putting their fingers in their ears and hoping it will all go away? I cannot see any policy towards stopping the boats, just building more and more detention centres and a lot of hoping for the best.

parabellum 3rd Jun 2012 11:19

Mr Clare said it was time for Mr Abbott to act in the national interest and stop saying 'no' to Nauru and Malaysia.

Last I heard Abbott was in favour of Nauru and as stated above, it was the Greens and the High Court that stopped Malaysia.

Another stunning load of rubbish from the ALP, also known as Bullshit Castle.

glad rag 3rd Jun 2012 13:17

It really ticks me off that I can't move and be with my remaining family to see my days out. Ex aircraft mech-avionics tech/inspector/washing machine fixer/windturbine tech with a just about do everything skillset with a trained nurse/operating theater scrub nurse as partner and two children who would thrive in the new environment. Maybe I should sell up and try sailing half way round the globe and see where THAT gets me :(


RJM 3rd Jun 2012 18:18

It's become more important to the ALP that the message is maintained than the message is true.

Refer to Orwell about the power of endlessly repeated phrases.

Try this fun quiz.

What word comes to mind on hearing the following?

"11 long hard years..."

"relentless negativity..."

"helping working Australians..."

"I can't get her out of my head..."

parabellum 3rd Jun 2012 21:58

Instead of silly posters on their office wall the ALP would do well to have the following, (wish I had thought of them as originals!), as mandatory reading at the start of each day:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

Andu 3rd Jun 2012 22:20

I think this has been posted before, but it's worth repeating, especially for those who believe the carbon con... sorry, tax will ease the burden of "the poor":

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that SOCIALISM would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
It could not be any simpler than that.

Clare Prop 4th Jun 2012 01:57

A few quotes from a Mr. W. Churchill

There is no such thing as a good tax.

Some see private enterprise as a predatory target to be shot, others as a cow to be milked, but few are those who see it as a sturdy horse pulling the wagon.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

We contend that for a nation to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile—hoping it will eat him last.

Andu 4th Jun 2012 06:46

Another boat today.

http://b logs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/from_three_a_year_to_four_in_four_days/

Under John Howard, just three boats a year. But Labor thought it knew better and opened the gates:

THE federal government has again urged the coalition to cooperate on a strategy to stop asylum seekers risking death at sea as the Australian navy intercepted the fourth boat in four days, bringing the number of arrivals this year to 3700.

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