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Worrals in the wilds 6th May 2014 07:41


If one of the effects of cuts to the ALPBC budget is the axing of a few TV shows, I sincerely hope that anything starring Chris Lilley is one of them!:ugh:
Agreed but unlikely, given that he won a Silver Logie. :ouch: Further proof that Australian TV success is generally determined by being crass and predictable.
Chris Lilley wins Silver Logie

Pinky the pilot 6th May 2014 07:54


Further proof that Australian TV success is generally determined by being crass and predictable.
Agreed, and extremely idiotic:* in some regards as well, IMHO.

We can but hope, however.

Ken Borough 6th May 2014 08:02


extremely idiotic
Yer not wrong there! Did you see the stunt pulled on Q&A by some protesting students last night? What a collections of morons who ought to have known better.:ugh:

500N 6th May 2014 08:05

Interesting article about the protestors / students in the Age.

The pollie got a lashing as well.

Captain Sand Dune 6th May 2014 08:11


Yer not wrong there! Did you see the stunt pulled on Q&A by some protesting students last night? What a collections of morons who ought to have known better
ALPBC set up?

Saltie 6th May 2014 08:58

War in Australia (any Oz Politics)
 
The sad fact is that 90% of them will be Public Serpents or university staff 10 years from now, perpetuating the endless circle started by Whitlam when he allowed people into universities who have changed those universities to institutions that have more to do with maintaining an ideology than learning.

7x7 7th May 2014 10:44

Right wind journo (there aren't many of them) Paul Sheehan predicting on Twitter that Hockey has dropped the debit tax - as Mathias Cormann drops and equally heavy hint that's it's on.

I can only hope that Sheehan is right.

If Tony Abbott allows that tax to go ahead, no matter how pressing the case for it may be, it will be a gift from God Himself for Labor, who will exploit it every bit as thoroughly as the Libs did Gillard's "There will bee no carbon tax under a guvvimit eye leed."

SOPS 7th May 2014 11:24

You are so right 7x7. I'm very worried that if it goes ahead, they will commit themselves to being a one term government.

rh200 7th May 2014 11:50

With all the talk about them just talking things up, and then on the night it not being that bad, we need to keep a few things in mind. In our dreams the pollies are playing a complex chess game involving complex thought processes. In fact their more like five year olds playing checkers, and I'm not sure that is being to generous.

In essence we have a problem, and that is economic sustainability. The projections for health, education and pension are frightening. As a country we shouldn't have to loan and spend hundreds of millions in interest payments, but sometimes its needed. But the loans need to add value, another words infastrucutre.

Now we seem to have got ourselves into a pickle, and we need to take steps to get ourselves out of it. The pickle isn't urgent at the moment, but the longer we stick our heads in the sand the harder it will be.

Now I don't mind a short term one off levy if it kills off some debt, but what I want is a F#$% plan to deal with the long term systematics. What I want is them explain how the numbers where so wrong before the election. I want to know what they are going to do to make sure there is a system is in place, so that party's can get a reasonable apraisel of the economic situation before going into the election.

Doing the old bullsh!t about taxing the rich in the long term doesn't count, the rich arn't rich enough when comes to spreading wealth out over large numbers.

Andu 7th May 2014 12:40

Tony Abbott made a series of huge mistakes with those promises he quite obviously didn't have to make before the September election.

It's too late to undo that now.

Rather than break those unnecessary promises, he'd be better off saying "The hole Labor dug is so deep, it's just not possible to balance the books without changing the tax system and many other things."

Then bring about a double dissolution and RISK (for risk it will be) the electorate having such a short collective memory that they'd be so stupid as to elect Labor again. Then go to the election saying that to fix the broken system, we all have to take a hit.

Politics being politics, I doubt he'll do it, and there'll be many Liberal backbenchers hoping to God he doesn't, for if he does, quite a few of them will lose their seats.

SOPS 7th May 2014 12:52

Andu, I'm O/S at the moment. What do the latest pol numbers look like? Because the electorate just might have a really short memory and vote those idiots back in again.....that is what worries me.

Tooheys 7th May 2014 20:24

Deluded or just plain Blind ?
 
Todays SMH has the following article written by the man himself...the worlds best treasurer and the forecaster of budget surpluses.....


'Fiscal vandals': Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey.

I used to reflect on Tony Abbott's political skills and find it hard to deny he was an especially brutal and effective opposition leader, but how would this translate to government? Now we know. His is a government of excessive partisanship and vicious vindictiveness. He fuelled his obstructionist opposition, and now drives his partisan government, by the same primal motivating force: fear.

Australia elected a demolition expert as Prime Minister, but you don't keep the demolition crew on site once you start building the new house. The wrecking ball he swung as opposition leader is now being swung as Prime Minister.

In government, the conservatives are continuing to trash talk our economy, manufacture a false budget emergency and instil a general sense of public fear.

In their parallel universe, an economy 15 per cent larger than it was in 2007, unemployment with a "5" in front of it, a strong investment pipeline, low interest rates, low inflation and low public debt are all cause for alarm.

Why are they doing this? Particularly when the strength of the Australian economy is recognised around the world?

The fact is at the heart of the Abbott government’s economic agenda is a clear ideological intent to delegitimise progressive polices, particularly our world-beating stimulus package.

That is, there is no role for government in economic management to secure balanced and equitable economic growth. Fear-driven partisanship started straight away on election night when Mr Abbott delivered one of the worst victory speeches ever.

It could have been one for the ages, even perhaps some humility. Instead, he gloated over the Labor primary vote and engaged in other petty politicking. I remember thinking if you can shrink to this occasion, you can shrink to anything. And he did.

His first address as incoming chair of the G20 in Davos saw him churlishly lecturing his new G20 colleagues on debt and taxes. He tarnished Australia’s chairmanship of this global forum from the start.

It had been possible to believe there might just be a leader lurking behind the brawler, a statesman behind the bomb thrower. Sadly, there isn’t. He sets the tone from the top.

As Ken Henry has pointed out, sacking the Treasury secretary is something not seen in 114 years of the department’s existence. Treasury has a fierce tradition of independence. Abbott and Joe Hockey have now deliberately undermined this, giving the green light to the weakening of other vital institutions.The warning to the public service was clear: "If you implemented a policy the conservatives disagree with, we reserve the right to sack you." Indeed, the attack on the key institutions of government and revenge seeking has continued beyond the public service.

The attempt to slice up the Racial Discrimination Act just to raise half a cheer from the right-wing peanut gallery. Establishing unprecedented royal commissions on the home insulation scheme and the union movement, allowing access to the cabinet records of a preceding government and thus trashing a long-held convention. Just imagine the hullabaloo if a Labor government had instigated a royal commission into the Iraq War.

And, of course the sacking of Steve Bracks as the consul-general in New York and a general black ban on anyone associated with the Gillard government. And finally, establishing a supposed "independent" audit commission, whose express purpose was to do a hatchet job on the record of the previous Labor government and to justify the savage cuts the conservatives want to carry out against vital services.

They have co-opted the organs of government to falsify the evidence about the true settings of fiscal policy, as we left it to them. They are creating a sense of alarm in the community in an attempt to gain permission from the electorate to set about breaking their election promises not to touch education, health or pensions.

We keep hearing from Joe Hockey we need to "fix the budget". The fact is we left the budget in sound shape. In all of our budgets from 2008-09 onwards, including in the last budget, we faced up to the challenge of finding large savings. Many of our measures designed to protect the strength of the budget – such as means testing the private health rebate – were opposed outright by Mr Abbott and Mr Hockey.

They were fiscal vandals in opposition and have been fiscal vandals since being elected. They’ve doubled the deficit by some $68 billion over the forward estimates.

But now they aren’t just fiscal vandals, they’re also fiscal fabricators.

Like many Australians, I’m an optimist about the Australian economy, both in the short and the long term. The economy, because of the deployment of stimulus, came through the global financial crisis better than any other developed economy in the world.

Petty, spiteful, cynical and infantile behaviour by this government is not some minor issue of style, particularly when its fiscal fabrications diminish our nation’s international standing.

This all causes real pain for real people. It causes bad government and bad outcomes across the board. Australia deserves better than that.

Wayne Swan is former federal treasurer and deputy prime minister. [email protected]



Read more: Demolition man Abbott swings his wrecking ball

500N 7th May 2014 20:31

I had a chuckle yesterday about an article on the Sri Lankan and Aussie Gov't's getting together for a meeting (Ministers and Defence minister plus the General in charge of borders) and the Sri Lankans thanked Australia for stopping the UN investigation into Sri Lanka.

A few choice comments about Australia has direct dialogue with SL
and addresses issues directly.

And then following this, on the radio I heard Bishop saying we run things for Australia's benefit and agenda and no one else's.

Of course they had to have two dad's quote about the AS Policy and that Australia is failing it's obligations to the UN :rolleyes:


I do like the fact that we are doing things for us first and not just because of some piece of paper !

rh200 7th May 2014 22:06


Todays SMH has the following article written by the man himself...the worlds best treasurer and the forecaster of budget surpluses.....
When I read that I thought, might be worth a read, Costello is fairly wise.

The only thing the Swan is good at is cooking the books.

bosnich71 7th May 2014 23:23

Faufax 'journalists' are on strike for 24 hours in protest against the loss of 80 "jobs". Wonder if anyone will even notice.

Fubaar 7th May 2014 23:45

According to this morning's AM, the deficit tax is a definite 'go'.

I couldn't bring myself to read all of WaYne's drivel, but what little I did read convinces me that if - (unfortunately, that probably should read 'when') - the short-memory Australian electorate votes them back in, it will be back to business as usual for Labor as they spend, spend, and spend, totally undoing any good the pain we're about to suffer will do for the economy as the Libs attempt to get the books back into some semblance of balance.

I watched Tanya Pill-beserk on the Jones and Richo programme on Sky the night before last. The woman's scarily good in the way she re-writes history without so much as a twitch of an eye. Even with Alan Jones repeatedly calling her on the outright fabrications she was spouting, she didn't turn a hair or blink an eye, but just kept delivering the Pardee Line. Any viewer who had not lived through (or who had not taken notice of) the six disastrous years of Rudd/Gillard/Rudd would have come away believing that theirs was a government of fiscal and political responsibility, robbed of government by an underhanded and dishonest Opposition campaign of total lies.

It just struck me that she (and damn near all of them) might be so delusional as to believe that.

alisoncc 8th May 2014 00:21


'Fiscal vandals': Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey.

I used to reflect on Tony Abbott's political skills and find it hard to deny he was an especially brutal and effective opposition leader, but how would this translate to government? Now we know. His is a government of excessive partisanship and vicious vindictiveness. He fuelled his obstructionist opposition, and now drives his partisan government, by the same primal motivating force: fear.

Australia elected a demolition expert as Prime Minister, but you don't keep the demolition crew on site once you start building the new house. The wrecking ball he swung as opposition leader is now being swung as Prime Minister.

In government, the conservatives are continuing to trash talk our economy, manufacture a false budget emergency and instil a general sense of public fear.

In their parallel universe, an economy 15 per cent larger than it was in 2007, unemployment with a "5" in front of it, a strong investment pipeline, low interest rates, low inflation and low public debt are all cause for alarm.

Why are they doing this? Particularly when the strength of the Australian economy is recognised around the world?

The fact is at the heart of the Abbott government’s economic agenda is a clear ideological intent to delegitimise progressive polices, particularly our world-beating stimulus package.

That is, there is no role for government in economic management to secure balanced and equitable economic growth. Fear-driven partisanship started straight away on election night when Mr Abbott delivered one of the worst victory speeches ever.

It could have been one for the ages, even perhaps some humility. Instead, he gloated over the Labor primary vote and engaged in other petty politicking. I remember thinking if you can shrink to this occasion, you can shrink to anything. And he did.

His first address as incoming chair of the G20 in Davos saw him churlishly lecturing his new G20 colleagues on debt and taxes. He tarnished Australia’s chairmanship of this global forum from the start.
I absolutely agree. Not that I am saying the other lot are any better. Like it or not we got through the GFC one hell of a lot better than any other country.


In government, the conservatives are continuing to trash talk our economy, manufacture a false budget emergency and instil a general sense of public fear.
Does anyone actually have any numbers to substantiate what they are doing? Basic marketing - you have to speculate to accumulate. Closing everything down does bugger all for the business. What are Abbott and Hockey trying to do - emulate the European austerity measures. Well they've had very little success, but did contribute lots of pain.

People here should go back and read of some of the antics Abbott/Hockey got up to in opposition. Blocking measures that they are now seeking to implement themselves. And surprisingly, NSW Liberals are just as corrupt as the other lot.

.

Fubaar 8th May 2014 00:43


And surprisingly, NSW Liberals are just as corrupt as the other lot.
Surprisingly? Alison, anyone who lived in NSW through the years of the Robin Askin government isn't even remotely surprised.

Having said that, the charges against some of the Lib politicians are rather small cheese, don't you think? Soliciting a contribution of $5000? Compared with ex-ALP boss Williamson, the now bankrupt - (yeah, right) - who skimmed upwards of $20 million of his union?

alisoncc 8th May 2014 00:57

Fubaar, think we have heard all there is to hear.

Some twenty five years ago I was the CEO (GM in those days) of the Aust subsidiary of an American electronics company. We had branches in all the major capitals, All of which were returning a profit. Not massive, but they were profitable. VP International came to visit, gave instructions to close down all branches except Sydney. Shortly after I resigned. The guys in Sydney had a very limited travel budget, and over the three years following my departure, the business collapsed. Leading to it's total closure, and the company pulled out of Australia.

IMHO Abbott and Hockey are like the VP International of that electronics company. Slash and burn, and then walk away.

chuboy 8th May 2014 01:26


Originally Posted by Fubaar (Post 8468039)
I couldn't bring myself to read all of WaYne's drivel, but what little I did read convinces me that if - (unfortunately, that probably should read 'when') - the short-memory Australian electorate votes them back in, it will be back to business as usual for Labor as they spend, spend, and spend, totally undoing any good the pain we're about to suffer will do for the economy as the Libs attempt to get the books back into some semblance of balance.

Swannie is not the only person who believes slashing and burning is going to have a negative multiplier effect on the economy. Consumer confidence is a skittish thing. I read an article recently suggesting that drastic corrections to Australia's budget are unnecessary given its relative strength and will almost certainly do more harm than good.

Certainly more than one pundit thinks the books can hardly be considered in a state of emergency at all and that gentle corrections are more appropriate. The austerity measures proposed by the Coalition are playing with fire when gross debt is so small compared to GDP. The last thing anybody wants is to go into recession but ironically it's on the cards with all the doom and gloom being preached about to hits to "everyone's" hip pockets.

Personally I didn't believe until recently that the Coalition genuinely thought there was a budget emergency. I expected to see a range of cuts to services and asset sales in keeping with their ideology - executed in the name of fixing the budget "emergency", but basically done as a means to end. I was quite surprised to read that the debt levy is going ahead after all.

That the Coalition is really going to go against the right-wing grain and tax the rich to get the books back in black quickly (among other things and in spite of the risks to the health of the economy) suggests that the government is not cunning but merely zealously incompetent.


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