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Saltie 24th Apr 2014 22:12

War in Australia (any Oz Politics)
 
I remember that red headed clown as one of Bob Hawke's press flunkies during the events of that year we dare not mention here. Head press flunky, I think.

SOPS 24th Apr 2014 22:15

Just on a different topic, would I be correct in thinking there have not been any boats arrive for a while?

500N 24th Apr 2014 22:18

Yes, I think you are correct.

I did read one report that they are looking at trying to get to NZ instead.

Problem seems to be for the smugglers getting people on board as most
don't want to pay now as they know what will happen.

500N 24th Apr 2014 22:19

Re Hugh Rimminton, I used to like the guy and thought he was quite good
but over the last few years, he seems to have changed.

The example above being one.

Fubaar 25th Apr 2014 04:11

A woman rang in to Sydney a talkback station during the week to say that a Labor friend assured her that the boats in fact are continuing to arrive almost daily, but Tony Abbott is muzzling all information about these arrivals. If this is so, TA, luckily a practising Catholic with an inside track direct to the Almighty, is pulling a 'reverse loaves and fishes' at Manus Island and is somehow 'disappearing' these thousands of new arrivals as mysteriously and as completely as whoever it was who 'disappeared' the hundreds of people on MH370.

There would appear to be 30% at least of the Australian population who are all too ready to believe such rubbish no matter how many facts are placed before them, and if some recent polls putting Labor ahead of the Government are to be believed, around another 25% or so who have the memory span of a goldfish.

Hugh Rimminton was and is nothing more than a Labor stooge. He was a Hawke staffer during the Pilots Dispute.

500N 25th Apr 2014 04:37

"He was a Hawke staffer during the Pilots Dispute."

I can understand why Pilots don't like him !


Re the boats, you can have a media black out but you can't hide a few things.

- Boats that arrive at Christmas Island because the Public live there
- Sailors have to get off the ships in Darwin and word spreads and
would get to the media eventually.

I do believe they have towed quite a few back though and this
isn't getting much coverage.

Captain Sand Dune 25th Apr 2014 05:10


I understand that there is some basis to Cap'n SD's comment. After completing their pilot's course, there have been instances over the last few years where Boggies have waited literally years (by which time they're no longer Boggies[!]) for a basic conversion course on their first squadron.
You haven't heard the half of it:(
Training aircraft aren't sexy. Wave a shiny F35 or Super Hornet in front of a senior officer or polly, and suddenly boring old training seems ....... well, boring. Seriously, these guys can't see further then their next promotion or election.:mad:

500N 25th Apr 2014 05:19

Even the pigs were blaze once the FA-18's came along !

I can't think of a recent photo of a Pollie with a pig.

Worrals in the wilds 25th Apr 2014 06:03


There would appear to be 30% at least of the Australian population who are all too ready to believe such rubbish no matter how many facts are placed before them,
Along with believing in deliberately manufactured killer vaccines (much more exciting than boring ol' diptheria and polio :yuk:), chemtrails, killer strawberries, Clive Cuslleresque theories about the MH340 and all the rest of it. :rolleyes:

I don't know if people are getting more gullible or social media means we just hear/read more of them wittering on about this stuff.

Ken Borough 25th Apr 2014 06:09


I can't think of a recent photo of a Pollie with a pig
Here's a reminder, but you be the judge!




http://http://www.thepoliticalsword....%2f1377141.jpg

Pinky the pilot 25th Apr 2014 06:21


I don't know if people are getting more gullible or social media means we just hear/read more of them wittering on about this stuff.
I would think that it's probably a combination of the two, Worrals. And sections of the media are only too eager to air any and all of the latest crackpot theory on just about anything!:*

Oi Ken, What happened to the piccy?

Andu 25th Apr 2014 08:31

The head of the (can't recall the proper name, (Australian Defence Association?), but what amounts to the union for members of the defence forces) was on with Steve Price and Andrew Bolt on 2GB last night. (I was driving home and heard the show that I don't normally listen to in the evenings.)

They touched upon a few topics that were very... what would be the best term? ... 'risky' - I was quite surprised at some of the topics they covered.

The man I described above said that a report was commissioned some years ago by the government about the attitudes of different migrant groups to defending Australia and its findings were so explosive that the government has never published it. In short, that large group that everyone on the Left so carefully avoids naming whenever a problem occurs that Blind Freddie knows is almost always caused only by that one group the Left will never name responded overwhelmingly that if Australian ever found itself under threat, they would abandon it and go elsewhere. (I hear some saying: "if that's the case, bring on a major threat to Australia".)

The whole interview was interesting. Anyone interested could probably find it on the 2GB site.

Saw a bit of the Sydney Anzac Day march today. The number of Asian faces in slouch hats (mostly cadet units from prestige Sydney schools, but also a fair number in the active ADF units) would reassure many that the last large group of migrants,those from Vietnam and other places in Asia, have followed the 'three generation rule' just as the Italians and Greeks did before them.

Let's hope that in ten to fifteen years from now, we doomsayers are all proven wrong about that newer group.

rh200 25th Apr 2014 08:59


he man I described above said that a report was commissioned some years ago by the government about the attitudes of different migrant groups to defending Australia and its findings were so explosive that the government has never published it.
Sounds like a good report to run a FOI on.:E

nomorecatering 25th Apr 2014 09:30

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter: Is This Thing A Lemon?

Some time ago, someone asked me to take a look at the new US Lockheed Martin designed and built Joint Strike Fighter, the F35, that many in the criminal US Government have haled as being the fighter plane of the future, and have decided to replace almost the entire existing inventory of US fighter planes with. I periodically have read the reports in major online publications, and have looked at the aeronautics of this so called "fighter plane" and I am not impressed... In fact, I am deeply concerned that the American public has been forced to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on what is basically a "lemon". Therefore, for this article, I will give my take on what I see could be one of the biggest military boondoggles of all time....

I just came across an article from Vanity Fair online, at Vanity Fair, in its Politics section, that is quite long and covers in great detail some of the problems and concerns about this F35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF). This article is quite long, but does make for some very interesting reading, and therefore I have the link here for everyone to see for themselves:

Will the F-35, the U.S. Military?s Flaw-Filled, Years-Overdue Joint Strike Fighter, Ever Actually Fly? | Vanity Fair

I do have my concerns about the massive investment that the American government has been making into this aircraft, and I will list those here...

- This plane is supposed to be "stealthy" and "invisible" to other aircraft and radar systems.. But recent evidence has shown that most of the "stealth" capabilities that this plane is supposed to have are already both known to the Russians and the Chinese, and they have already solved the problem of seeing and thus targeting this aircraft through all of its stated "stealth" capabilities. Basically, the F35 is no longer "stealthy" as proclaimed....

- There have been disturbing reports that this aircraft is difficult to fly at night.. That to me is ridiculous enough, but there have also been reports that it also may be impossible to fly in rainy weather as well! Remind me again what good is a combat aircraft if it can only fly on clear, sunny days?

- The vertical takeoff and landing capabilities of this aircraft have shown already to hinder this aircraft's performance. The idea of VTOL (Vertical Takeoff Or Landing) was made famous by the British Harrier "jump jet" developed in the 1960's, but with VTOL comes limited firepower and range of any aircraft. Over a decade now, and the VTOL problems have not been solved in this aircraft's design..... There is also the major problem of weight, because the mechanisms for VTOL adds considerable weight to the aircraft, and therefore hinders both its speed, agility, and its combat performance. What is also amazing is that the newest Chinese "joint strike aircraft" which amazingly looks similar to the F35, has NO VTOL technology onboard, and thus can pack more weaponry and has a greater speed and range than the F35 itself! Have the Chinese engineers discovered the primary weakness of the F35 and removed it from their own designs?

- There have been recent reports of the F35 having a massive "blind spot" directly behind the pilot cockpit that will make the aircraft a sitting duck in direct air to air dogfights..... Again, how could the designers of this aircraft overlooked this horrible flaw? Basically, we now have a "fighter" that will be slowed down due to its burden of VTOL, and thus fly slower than aircraft it is supposed to combat.. And on top of that, enemy fighters may exploit the blind spot flaw and simply get behind the F35 and blow it out of the sky!

There are other terrible design flaws in this aircraft that I have not noted here.... Lets just say that what we do have here in my own opinion is a disaster that American and allied nations will regret flying.

It also annoys me that the Canadian government here has decided on replacing its aging fleet of F18A combat aircraft with this massively overpriced lemon. The cost alone of this JSF will mean that Canada will have a fleet of at most.... 30-40 of these horrible machines. It is bad enough that this small number is totally inadequate to provide proper air cover for a nation of over 3.8 million square miles, but the Canadian military will see the major inadequacies of this so called "Joint Strike Fighter" if this aircraft is committed to combat. My advice to the Canadian people is for them to demand an immediate halt to this purchase of these massively overpriced and under performing aircraft.... Canada could do itself better by looking elsewhere for replacement of its aging F18 Hornet fleet...I would even suggest the government in Ottawa stop with this idea of always having to purchase "American" aircraft, and look elsewhere.... Europe, or even Russia for examples!

It is a fact that many of the former US combat aircraft, such as the F14 Tomcat, also had design flaws and serious problems that were rectified over the years....My concern is that the US and other nations have now committed themselves to replacement of entire fleets of combat aircraft with this one machine that has severe problems that have not yet been rectified.

I know that with this article, I may have opened up much criticisms of my personal views on this so called "fighter" aircraft.... But I will call a spade a spade, and from what I have read over the last few years, we are definitely looking at a real lemon that will be outmatched if ever used in a combat role. Considering the massive cost overruns and major problems that seem to be endless with this aircraft, most nations would be better off to stay away from the F35, period.

More to come

Worrals in the wilds 25th Apr 2014 09:46


In short, that large group that everyone on the Left so carefully avoids naming whenever a problem occurs...
What, the Lebos? Or the dreaded Islamic 2.21% that includes them? Not so very large, though they certainly claim an indordinate amount of media time :bored:.
Religion in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

22.3% of Australians declared "no-religion" on the 2011 Census, and a further 8.55% did not answer the question.
To the religious, this is a greater threat than Islam. Every Census, more and more people simply don't care.

Regular contributors consistently assert that Australian union membership is so low that it is no longer relevant; at an estimated 18% of the population in 2012 (by The Australian, hardly a union friendly paper :}). If 18% is irrelevant where does 2.21% sit? Somewhere in the corner? ;) Media coverage does not equal population, particularly as most people use the media to catch up on sport, weather and their daily horoscope. :zzz:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opin...983#mm-premium


Saw a bit of the Sydney Anzac Day march today. The number of Asian faces in slouch hats (mostly cadet units from prestige Sydney schools, but also a fair number in the active ADF units) would reassure many that the last large group of migrants,those from Vietnam and other places in Asia, have followed the 'three generation rule' just as the Italians and Greeks did before them.
I thought the same while watching the Brisbane march, though wrt African and Indian faces. There were quite a few within the Army and RAAF ranks, which IMO is a good thing :ok:. I'm guessing that the old rule applies; a person is young and fit but doesn't have a lot of money, so the ADF is a great way to get a trade and a good secure job. They weren't in the prestige units either, more amongst the 7 Brigade grunt contingent and RAAF support groups. Good luck to all of them, and well done for joining up. Aussies are Aussies, even if they don't look like the traditional Aussies we're used to.

It was a huge parade this year; I reckon the Brisbane parade could have fought a pretty decent war all on its own. The veterans' group I particularly remember from the TV coverage was the Vietnam War tunnel rats; 40 years later they still looked mean. :ouch::}:cool:

Captain Dart 25th Apr 2014 09:47

nomorecatering your quote is a bit short on hard facts, however there are a lot more negative reports about the aircraft out there. I am old enough to remember the controversy surrounding the introduction of the F-111. The Indonesians only started getting uppity again when it was withdrawn from service.

One hopes that the negative publicity about the F-35 is either erroneous, or to be expected with introduction of a new weapons system, or a smokescreen.

SOPS 25th Apr 2014 10:07

I agree Captain. Although young, I remember the cries when the F 1 11 came. But it seem to me it did a bloody good job.

Andu 25th Apr 2014 10:46


I thought the same while watching the Brisbane march, though wrt African and Indian faces. There were quite a few within the Army and RAAF ranks, which IMO is a good thing . I'm guessing that the old rule applies; a person is young and fit but doesn't have a lot of money, so the ADF is a great way to get a trade and a good secure job. They weren't in the prestige units either, more amongst the 7 Brigade grunt contingent and RAAF support groups. Good luck to all of them, and well done for joining up. Aussies are Aussies, even if they don't look like the traditional Aussies we're used to.
Worrals, my sentiments exactly. I was going to expand into that very same theme but could see that my post was getting too long.

There were a couple of young, very handsome Asian faces in (sopping wet) khaki and slouch hats in the Sydney parade that epitomised everything I like about the changing racial makeup of this country. I don't care what colour your skin might be or the shape of your eyes - you're an Ozmate if you're like those many young people I saw in the parade today. I really hope the following generations of That Group of Immigrants We Dare Not Mention Here prove me wrong and follow suit.

On a lighter note, was I the only one to notice that the Army and Navy seem to have been saving the taxpayer big bucks in not spending precious time practising drill before the ANZAC march? In the Sydney parade, the Ronnie RAAF units actually MARCHED. Some of the Army and Navy units looked more like a bunch of blokes and blokettes strolling together in loose company. The baggy cam. fatigues, whilst excellent wear in the bush, are not a good look on a parade.

OK, so I admit it. I'm an Old Fart.

Pinky the pilot 25th Apr 2014 10:52


The baggy cam. fatigues, whilst excellent wear in the bush, are not a good look on a parade.
Agreed. They look like pajamas to me!:ugh:


OK, so I admit it. I'm an Old Fart.
Me too.

Worrals in the wilds 25th Apr 2014 11:13


There were a couple of young, very handsome Asian faces in (sopping wet) khaki and slouch hats in the Sydney parade that epitomised everything I like about the changing racial makeup of this country. I don't care what colour your skin might be or the shape of your eyes - you're an Ozmate if you're like those many young people I saw in the parade today.
Agreed. :ok:
The Brisbane paraders were all in dress uniform without any cams in sight. The whole parade was more formal than in previous years. I agree with you, but being non-military I usually stay away from criticising the ANZAC Day commemorations, either past or present. It's a day for the military, and whatever they choose to wear is okay with me. I was party to commentary about the Navy's marching skills (along with the usual 'Jeez, there's ol Sargeant Catstrangler, is he still alive?? Thought he was in a home somewhere, they must have let him out for the day :}', but that's par for the course. :\
We had lovely weather in Queensland for the parades.


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