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500N 11th Apr 2014 00:43


We are in agreeance.

I would certainly give her Asylum, and a bloody medal for doing it :ok: :D

Or she could become a teacher in Nigeria ;)

rh200 11th Apr 2014 02:18

Or she could become a teacher in Nigeria
That would be ideal, but sadly I suspect she will not be long for this world if out on her own.

500N 11th Apr 2014 02:21


Organise a recovery / snatch raid ;)

Saltie 11th Apr 2014 08:26

War in Australia (any Oz Politics)
A clear case of "Don't f### with an unwilling Nigerian girl". Or maybe simply "don't f### an unwilling Nigerian girl". All jokes aside, it's going to take a succession of young women doing something as radical as this to break the Muslim "tradition"of child brides. Unfortunately, I don't hold much hope that the poor girl will get a sympathetic hearing from an all male Muslim clerical court.

Worrals in the wilds 11th Apr 2014 08:29

Unfortunately, I don't hold much hope that the poor girl will get a sympathetic hearing from an all male Muslim clerical court.
Or from her family, male and female :(. The poor kid will probably be dead before she even makes it to court.

Takan Inchovit 11th Apr 2014 09:52

The only response I can think of is, RATS!

Saltie 11th Apr 2014 10:04

War in Australia (any Oz Politics)
Still, there's a small glimmer of pleasure when you think of any of those middle aged arse#%#s who've taken a child bride and who have a ounce of imagination pausing before they tuck into their lamb biriani provided by their sub teenage bride. What's that old truism? Never piss off the person providing or delivering your food.

Pinky the pilot 12th Apr 2014 06:44

Or from her family, male and female . The poor kid will probably be dead before she even makes it to court.
And if that unfortunately does happen, will we hear screams of outrage and protest from 'da sisterhood' here in Australia?:hmm:

Organise a recovery / snatch raid
Seconded.:ok: Seriously though, would such a thing be possible?:confused:

500N 12th Apr 2014 06:50


Yes, possible.

You would have to plan it well.

I would suggest covert, quiet, in and out as fast as possible.

rh200 12th Apr 2014 07:26

You would have to plan it well.

I would suggest covert, quiet, in and out as fast as possible.
Hardly, the place is more crooked than a dogs hind leg. Just get the local ambassador to walk down and find the cops that have her, pay them ten bucks each, pay off some minister an thats it.

Once shes in the country use the "in fear for her safety" line. Though we might need some of her family to come with her.

Worrals in the wilds 12th Apr 2014 11:11

I would suggest covert, quiet, in and out as fast as possible.
Who's paying though? :uhoh:

rh200 12th Apr 2014 12:04

Who's paying though?
Isn't half our navy and airforce already part of the way there at the moment, get done for half price.:p

500N 12th Apr 2014 12:07

It's not far from Mali, get the French to do it.

Agree re bribe, can still do that as part of what I said.

500N 12th Apr 2014 19:40

Looks like the ABC will get a smack across the head come budget time.

I didn't realise this was true. They have had it far too good for far too long.
What gives the ABC the right to be exempt ???? Why are they allowed to have a cushy, no cuts job while everyone else has to fight for money ????

"Further cuts would then be applied in each subsequent year. The ABC is one of only three government agencies, along with SBS and Safe Work Australia, currently exempt from the efficiency dividend."

The fact that one of the ABC's best supporters said this "Liberal backbencher Craig Laundy, a vocal supporter of the ABC, said he would support plans by his colleagues to make the ABC “more efficient” even if it meant breaching Mr Abbott’s election eve promise.
“If we can run the ABC more efficiently while maintaining the quality of the product and save taxpayers money, we should,” Mr Laundy said."

seems to indicate that it will happen.

Abbott to break ABC 'no cuts' promise

chuboy 13th Apr 2014 01:08

Sorry to continue to bore everyone to death with this, I can tell internet connections probably aren't a great concern to most here but considering the magnitude of the NBN project both in scale and cost, it should be. At the end of the day, the government is taking on debt to finance this project and if it is too shite to provide any return on investment, who is stuck paying the bills? The taxpayers, whether they benefited or not.

There are a multitude of ways you can decide what the best option to go down is, and it depends on what you want to get out of the project. In this economic climate I think everybody agrees the government needs a strong justification to spend every dollar that it does. It's not just about the price tag but also about value - when you don't have a bottomless pool of cash it's not always best to save no better than 50% on the ticket price for something that will not last as long, is orders of magnitude worse than the alternative from a technical standpoint and will certainly need to be upgraded again in the near-term, and will cost you more in operating and maintenance costs (not to mention the fact that you need to build a noisy and unsightly node at every street corner just to get).

In fact, when Labor first proposed a fibre-to-the-node plan a few years ago, a Nationals senator has this to say:

"In spruiking their flawed Fibre-To-The-Node (FTTN) plan, Labor are doing one of two things; they are either deluding themselves, and at the same time the Australian public, if the think a FTTN will deliver high-speed broadband to regional and rural areas, or they are being deliberately deceitful and trying to trick the public into accepting a plan the know is flawed. A plan they know is unfeasible, un-costed and whimsical at best."
The only argument that MT has come out with which has any arguable basis in reality is that the FTTN rollout could be finished sooner than the FTTP rollout. Of course, providing new infrastructure to 93% of houses was always going to take longer than recycling the majority of what is already there, but there would have been feasible ways of changing the project management to improve premises past. I would say that a lot of it would have boiled down to a compromise between the country folk who say "the people in the big city already have fast internet (not necessarily true, as it happens), we should get fibre first", and people in the city and the NBN office who say "we should do the cities first, we'll pass thousands more customers and get a quicker ROI". In any case, I don't think "the rollout will take a while" is justification to scrap an entire project plan for a vastly inferior one.

I hope that the posters here are open-minded enough to forget about which party is doing what and see this "multi technology mix NBN" for what it is.

NBN switch without analysis about 'getting on with it': Turnbull | ZDNet - You see it here plain as day, after deriding Labor for building (a superior network) without a CBA, if MT were genuine about getting value for money for the country he would not be so blatantly hypocritical. I had a lot of respect for him prior to the election but every time he speaks about the NBN now I lose a little bit of faith in our system of politics.

You have to ask what the Coalition's true motivations are, that they are willing to spend $30b on a project which will undermine the nation's telecommunications infrastructure for the next 30 years. A few posts back 500N very eloquently observed that Australia rarely does anything right the first time. Well in my view giving (nearly, eventually) everybody access to the same fibre connection you really were doing it right the first time. Everyone gets the same access, same speeds, and has access to the same upgrades when they are developed. What we get now is a government which is paying big money to unravel that, to lock in a system whereby you and your neighbour may not even have the same infrastructure, and no matter what you get in the end it will be worse than what you would have gotten eventually if the Coalition had swallowed their pride and admitted that what Labor was building (if not how it was building it) was worth keeping. :yuk:

Originally Posted by rh200 (Post 8429319)
The fact is its all about value for your asset. If you are going to be sitting around allday watching videos yes of course you can saturate the copper. I would be suprised that your one of the lucky ones that an ISP can supply a regular high bandwidth to your copper.

The vast is the vast majority of the Australian public doesn't need to intergrated bandwidth that fibre brings, it doesn't even need the maximun bandwidth a set of copper pairs brings. Yes there is surge demand in some households that can be overcome.

I both agree and disagree with you here rh200. A few weeks ago, I had ADSL2 over copper. In principle, you can achieve "up to 24 Mbps" using ADSL2 over copper. I was getting 4 Mbps on a good day, but always dealing with dropouts because of dodgy copper all the way to the exchange. I knew just how bad it could be, trying to download research papers and do simulations over a VPN, or downloading games or videos in my downtime. It wasn't even enough speed to cater for me, let alone the other three adults in my household.

Then we changed to Telstra HFC. It is so much faster, it's easy to build an ivory tower where you forget just how shite everyone else who doesn't have access has it. Even for us, it's not optimal - Telstra owns the coax so they can charge as much as they want, effectively there is no competing product because ADSL2 is so unbelievably bad. If we don't like their customer service, we can't go with a different provider. It's not a good structure for the consumer if the retailer has a monopoly on the delivery channel.

Downloads, for starters have been increasing exponentially for years and in the last couple of years we have seen an explosion in terms of devices which access the internet and the services available on it. I disagree that households will not need extra bandwidth, but agree that they don't need the full bandwidth supplied by fibre today. But is that a bad thing? Providing infrastructure that meets future needs as well?

There are other arguments to be made for creating a platform on which people can be productive using the internet at home, i.e. by providing fast uploads as well they can actually use it to add value to the economy. After all, we don't have a manufacturing sector any more and resources is not going to last forever. Your head would have to be buried deep in the Earth's crust if you don't believe internet and computers are here to stay. There's opportunities for entrepreneurial endeavours, but if we want to tap into them we need the framework in place. If you want that you need fibre. How many ideas like Youtube don't happen because we expect people with just an idea to shell out $80k for a business-grade fibre connection?

Plus there is that same framework being used for access to telehealth and telestudy and telecommuting and all the rest of the stuff that Labor spruiked, which doesn't exist yet, not necessarily because it's bad but because there has never been infrastructure to support it. My point is you're not spending x tens of billions on a solution that meets the needs of the country today - by the time it's all done you are back to square one.

Anyway, you mentioned value from your asset. I have to ask if you have considered how much value the Coalition will get out of the multi-technology mix arrangement, considering the money invested?

I'm well aware of where the slowdowns are. Its all about what you call backbone. I have been involved in shunting terrabytes of data around the country on the spare fibre, and sit on the back of a 40 Gige back bone I can share the frustration. But it also makes me aware of usage patterns and what we actually need.

The infrastructure supporting the copper is lacking, for the vast majority, solve that and your home free. In fact at home all I use these days is my phone as an access point. Lightning fast for general usage.
Again, I have to disagree. Using the same "backbone" my internet is 30 times faster having switched from ADSL2 to cable. If the bottleneck was not between the backbone and my house I wouldn't have observed this improvement.

Also I can't help but find it ironic that you have to use your phone as an access point at home - I mean mobile data is great, it's quick (as long as few others are accessing the same tower) but boy is it expensive. The plus is you have access everywhere, but if you want access only at home is it too much to ask that that the fixed-line solution is fast enough to compete? It's a bit sad that we're at the point where wireless over radio is now faster than a direct line.

Okay, I think I've got that all out of my system. I'll be back again in a few months to rant about the NBN again, I expect :p

Saltie 13th Apr 2014 04:40

War in Australia (any Oz Politics)
Chuboy, there's an old truism that of you haven't got your message across in the first paragraph of an email, 90% of your readers will not read on to get said message. Myself, I didn't get ten words beyond "sorry to bore you" before giving up. Re the ABC. They've been quite blatantly taunting the Coalition government to smack them down ever since September. I find myself hoping Abbott and Hockey have the balls to make the cuts deep enough to cut out the rot that permeates the ABC. I fear they will not.

chuboy 13th Apr 2014 05:50

Well, thanks for trying, anyway.

500N 13th Apr 2014 06:09


My first reaction was to bypass it but I did read it in the end,
To the end - after 3 tries :O

bosnich71 13th Apr 2014 06:19

Chuboy .....
The cable blokes came down my street some 6 months or so ago.Luckily no one knocked on my door to ask me if I wanted an updated super speed or whatever. Good job really as my eyes would have glazed over after 30 seconds of explanation ..... a bit like they did trying to read all the way through your treatise.
However,as Saltie said,you've had a go,and good on you, now it's time to give your fingers ... or is that finger ? ... a rest.

bosnich71 13th Apr 2014 06:23

Michael Smith's blog is reporting that an extra million litres of aviation fuel is being delivered to RAAF Base Pearce each day supplying those searching for MH370.
As they said,a good job we are not relying on windmills isn't it?

P.s. the same person reckons the Yanks and Chinese don't pay for what they are using .... don't know how true that is.

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