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Fliegenmong 25th Jan 2014 10:10

apart from setting up temples of welfare which thankfully TA is pulling down.

He's putting up his own temples of welfare 500, and you know that :ugh:

Ken Borough 25th Jan 2014 10:44

Orright. Here's another take on Abbott's visit to Switzerland. It was published in The Global Mail.


Abbott’s Davos Moment
By Mike SeccombeJanuary 24, 2014

You have one chance to speak to the world’s most powerful people. What do you say?

Picture the scene: A classroom in some little town, a bunch of kids in their middle years of schooling. A special visitor is coming today, the assistant manager of the local bank, to explain how the world economy works.
He speaks in short sentences and anodyne generalities.

An open-market economy is a good thing, he says, because “markets are the proven answer to the problem of scarcity”.

Markets mean trade, and trade requires profit, he says.

“And profit is not a dirty word – because success in business is something to be proud of,” says the assistant manager.

“A certain level of government spending is necessary and good,” he says.
But not too much, or you stifle economic growth.

“No country has ever taxed or subsidised its way to prosperity,” intones the assistant manager, parroting a line he heard sometime during an election campaign.

He goes on, stating the bleeding obvious: “You can’t spend what you haven’t got.”

Furthermore: “You don’t address debt and deficit with yet more debt and deficit.”
The assistant manager just keeps on rolling out the platitudes, albeit in an increasingly ideological vein.

“You can’t have strong communities without strong economies to sustain them, and you can’t have strong economies without profitable private businesses.

“Stronger economic growth is the key to addressing almost every global problem.

“Stronger growth requires lower, simpler and fairer taxes that don’t stifle business creativity.

“And stronger growth requires getting government spending under control so that taxes can come down; and reducing regulation so that productivity can rise.”

The point of the Economic Forum is to gather big people to consider big ideas. And Abbott’s audience in Davos heard not one thought-provoking utterance.
The class is now getting restive. Up the back a couple of the smarter kids, used to having more sophisticated conversation about politics and economics at the family dinner table, are whispering.

“Does this bloke think we’re simple or something?” says one.

“Either that, or he is,” snickers the other.

Now, let’s leave our imaginary scene, and go to the reality of this glib recitation. It was was not made to a group of Year Nine economics students by an assistant bank manager.

It was made to some of the world’s most important decision makers, gathered for the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, by the Prime Minister of Australia, Tony Abbott.

One can only guess at what the other attendees made of it.

Do you think Bill Gates, the world’s most successful entrepreneur, needed to hear the news that “profits are good”?

One doubts it. He might, however, have wondered at Abbott when he spoke about a “moral order” based on people learning “to honour their agreements and live in justice and charity with their neighbours”.

Charity? When Gates, the world’s biggest charitable giver, was in Australia in 2013, he lobbied for this rich country to increase its aid program to meet international benchmarks. Instead he has seen the Abbott government slash $650 million from this year’s aid budget.

As for honouring agreements, Antonio Guterres, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, another Davos attendee, might well have wondered at how that sits with the Australian government’s apparent contempt for the refugee convention.

One suspects that Roberto Azevêdo, the Director-General of the World Trade Organization (WTO), was not bowled over by Abbott’s news that “trade between countries increases wealth.”

He might, however, be keener to hear from British PM David Cameron, who comes to the meeting intent on discussing remedies for one of the unwelcome consequences of free trade, the offshoring of jobs.

He might also have thought Abbott a more substantive person had he even mentioned the need, acknowledged by the WTO, OECD and others, to address the shortcomings of the dispute-resolution processes within free-trade agreements, and their increasing abuse by corporations and, in particular, tobacco companies. Australia is, after all, currently defending one such abusive claim, made by Philip Morris against our cigarette plain-packaging laws.

And the many and varied economists present, such as, say, Dani Rodrik, a professor of social sciences at Princeton University, might have liked to hear at least some acknowledgement of the downside of globalisation – such as increased income inequality.

The point of the Economic Forum is to gather big people to consider big ideas. And Abbott’s audience in Davos heard not one thought-provoking utterance.
Christiana Figueres, executive secretary for the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, would no doubt have been alive to the subtext of Abbott’s boast that his government is “streamlining environmental approvals and have already ticked off new projects worth over $400 billion”.

That is to say, his government is facilitating the mining of vast new coal deposits, which will inevitably result in greater climate change, not to mention threaten the Great Barrier Reef.

Other guests who have concerns for the environment, for example, the head of the US Environmental Protection Agency and the the United Nations Environment Program, might also have had qualms over Abbott’s categorical pronouncement that “stronger economic growth is the key to addressing almost every global problem”.

The many and varied econocrats present, who had observed Australia’s successful, Keynesian response to the Global Financial Crisis – and who overwhelmingly congratulated us on it – must have been bemused by Abbott’s sudden descent into party-political criticism of it.

And were probably puzzled by his spruiking of other purely domestic policy matters including his personal favourite: the exceedingly generous paid-parental-leave scheme.

The point of the annual Economic Forum is to gather big people to consider big ideas. More than 30 heads of state are there, among the more than 2,600 global movers and shakers. And this Davos audience heard not one thought-provoking utterance from Australia’s Prime Minister in his 20-minute speech (simultaneously interpreted “in all languages”, according to the program), which purported to set out Australia’s agenda for the upcoming G20 meeting, which we are hosting.

Then again, one should consider the likelihood that Abbott did not consider the Davos crowd to be his real audience, and that instead his address was directed at those parts of the domestic audience who, like this government, think in slogans.

I am trying hard not to envision Bill Gates listening to Abbott’s speech and nudging the guy next to him – the Davos seating plan shows that to be Joe Cerrell, managing director, global policy and advocacy for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation – and whispering:“Does this bloke think we’re simple or something?”

And Cerrell’s reply: “Either that, or he is.”

Fliegenmong 25th Jan 2014 10:47

Wirth carries the unique distinction of having been cast as both villain and hero by both sides of politics. The fact that she once worked for Hockey, combined with her passionate spearheading of Qantas' anti-union campaign, saw conservatives claim her as one of their own while Labor MPs like Shorten muttered darkly about her. Now her romance with Howes has confounded the conservatives. "I think everybody was stunned.
It sent a terrible message to Qantas staff," says one Coalition frontbencher
.

Ha ha ha....

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

But but but....if she worked for hockey....she must be soooo good!....they don't seem to think of her like that up in the 'Alans not happy' thread! What's going on?

500N 25th Jan 2014 10:54

"As for honouring agreements, Antonio Guterres, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, another Davos attendee, might well have wondered at how that sits with the Australian government’s apparent contempt for the refugee convention."

Hey, if the UN wants TA to honour agreements, how about the UN get off it's fat arse and help instead of just berating TA. I don't see them berating Indonesia or others.

It is up to the UN to make itself useful, wanted and respected, ATM they are just a hindrance who are being ignored (IMHO rightly so) and they don't like it but can't do a fcking thing about it and TA knows that.

Climate Change ? Carbon credits. I know farmers who have planted trees just to get the money, even though it totally stuffs the land in some areas.


Maybe the UN should stop wating money sending people to these things and spend it on programs to help the refugees instead of asking others to pay for everything.

Blood suckers.

Fliegenmong 25th Jan 2014 10:56

KEN! How very dare you post something like that!

This is...

War in Australia (any Oz politics)

In case you haven't noticed.....:rolleyes: Only the ever compliant MSM view is acceptable here!!!

Facts not welcome....welcome fallacies are..:rolleyes:

Fliegenmong 25th Jan 2014 11:01

Maybe the UN should stop wating money sending people to these things and spend it on programs to help the refugees instead of asking others to pay for everything.

Except it's not wasting (wating) money when it is reported the way you want to hear it

Ken Borough 25th Jan 2014 11:02

Sorry Fliegs but I wear wide-angled glasses. I only wear them when reading which means I'm not short-sighted! :cool:

500N wrote

I don't see them berating Indonesia
That's right. You won't see the UNHCR berating Indonesia as that country is not a signatory to the UN Convention on Refugees. :=. :ugh:

500N 25th Jan 2014 11:11

" Except it's not wasting (wating) money when it is reported the way you want to hear it"

No, it is wasting money anytime, regardless of how it is reported.

I don't like the UN, it's agenda, politics, corruption, behind the scenes
wheeling and dealing, setting of Agendas, waste, cover ups, need I go on ?


People have become more vocal over the UN and the above and
they are not being followed nearly as much as they used to.

The US is one country that plays / runs UN interference very well
and hopefully will continue to do so.

Now we just have to get Aus Gov't to do the same.

500N 25th Jan 2014 11:13

"That's right. You won't see the UNHCR berating Indonesia as that
country is not a signatory to the UN Convention on Refugees. :=. :ugh:"

Yes, I know but that has never seemed to stop the UN in the past.

And we shouldn't be either. Then we can tell them to butt out.

Fliegenmong 25th Jan 2014 12:05

I do believe the thread is Oz politics...not 'What I like/don't like about the UN'...I want you to explain why Ummm Ahhh Tony Abbott is providing so much middle class welfare!

I called someone a few months back as to why after the fiasco that was the greens/labor alliance Umm Ahh TA did a deal with Christne Milne :yuk::yuk:

The excuse from one of the Pardee faithful was that you need numbers.....which is exactly what the red witch needed.....however....evidentally when you do a deal with the greens and you are right leaning, that is ok apparently.....:hmm:

Not just inept at the countries finances, but also happy to live by double standards....a shame the liberals don't have a 'leader', they're morally bankrupt, just as the ALP are...and it is a topic continually avoided by the 'true believers' of the (needless to say) ' fanatic right'

500N 25th Jan 2014 12:15

Fliegs

The left are far more fanatical with achieving ideals.

And setting up a welfare state so they don't have to do any work
and hinder anyone else as well who wants to get on.

You talk about leaders and "morally bankrupt", after Labor had Red head as leader :rolleyes:

Fliegenmong 25th Jan 2014 12:32

500......see below....

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-0...eiling/5134972

Now maybe I have higher morals.....but would you do deals with christine milne of the australian greens the way your poster boy Umm AhhTA has? ??...I wouldn't, but I am principled...Uummm AhhTA is only in it for himself and his mates, to hell with the rest of the country,,,,it is one thing TA is consistant with....

You talk of setting up a welfare state as if it is just an ALP thing, your lack of calling the Liberals for doing the same thing, is, admirable one level, dynamically hypocritical on another

500N 25th Jan 2014 12:35

I have already said I didn't like what TA has done re this wedding thing.
I think it is BS and have said so.

Morals ?

I think everyone is out to look after themselves nowadays,
on both sides.

Fliegenmong 25th Jan 2014 12:47

But it is not just that 500, it is the other welfare payments that Ummm Ahhh is wasting my taxes on!!!

TA is on the record as saying 'He'd do anything' to be PM, he never ever said he'd do anything for the country, just exactly like red witch, Umm Ahh is there for himself.....f&*k the rest of the country....fact is Ummm Ahh TA has his honker as firmly wedged in the trough as much as craig thompson once did.....

You may be pleased on ideological grounds that the red witch is no longer there, you may even derive some amusement from the new guys antics

500N 25th Jan 2014 13:28

Fliegs

Both are nearly as bad as each other, although the last 6 years
of the two clowns added bad icing on an already bad situation.

Just that the ideology is better for the Libs and thankfully
more Aussies agreed at the last election.

alisoncc 25th Jan 2014 20:14

'It's a very sad day for a lot of our mob'
 

He's been crowned Australian of the Year. But for Adam Goodes, Australia Day is a time of mourning
Jesus wept, isn't about time these people got over it and moved on? It's been two hundred years. Probably still be whinging in another two hundred. Scruffy looking bugger anyway. Australian of the year - crap.

I understand my family owned a fair bit of dirt before the Norman Conquest. I wish to lodge a complaint. It's about time we got it back - with interest, or free welfare for the whole family for ever.

500N 25th Jan 2014 20:19

Alison

Yes, I did have a chuckle at Adma Goodes winning it (being an Abo).

He deserves it on his merit but I thought it funny they are still objecting.

Captain Sand Dune 25th Jan 2014 20:29


Jesus wept, isn't about time these people got over it and moved on?
Tell it like it is mate!!:ok:
One wonders how they would have fared had the Japanese been successful during WWII (heaven forbid!:eek:).
In my opinion this type of behaviour perpetuates divisiveness and - dare I say it - racism.

Fliegenmong 25th Jan 2014 21:08

"In my opinion this type of behaviour perpetuates divisiveness and - dare I say it - racism"

Yep, 100%!

...same as the way they refer to us as 'White Fellas'....imagine the outrage if it were the other way around :hmm:

Thankfully 500 still gets away with the term 'Abo'

I had to look him up actually and saw this...

Australian of Year 2014: Adam Goodes, Sydney Swans footballer, recognised for anti-racism advocacy and youth work - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

I don't follow the VFL at all so that is why I had no idea who he was, but what a stupid smirk on TAs face....it's like it's his very own Nova Kneebone, or whoever she was moment....:rolleyes:

An Abo & An Imbo.....

500N 25th Jan 2014 21:49

"...same as the way they refer to us as 'White Fellas'....imagine the outrage if it were the other way around http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/yeees.gif
Thankfully 500 still gets away with the term 'Abo'"


What I would like to know is why Abo is considered racist ?

Or Aboriginal ?

It is only an abbreviation of a name used for centuries in this country,
the same as Aussie is short for Australia, or T/O for Traditional owner.


And yes, they do use the term Whitey, White and other less desirable
words. I have also noticed that they are question if someone is a full blood,
half blood et al to determine how much weight they put on someones words.

They are actually more racist to each other than whiteys from what I have seen.


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