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SOPS 10th Jan 2014 05:55

I see that Tony Abbott has said on Channel 10 that we are at war with the people smugglers. Excellent! Now can some one remind Two Dads and the ALPBC about war and treason, please.

Blacksheep 10th Jan 2014 07:15

QANTAS looks pretty much stuffed. If they go under it will reduce the people traffickers' capacity - not everyone arrives on an Indonesian fishing boat. :suspect:

Seriously; Most of the people trafficked into UK arrive by plane as tourists and never leave. The gangmasters meet them and whip them off to their jobs straight away.

500N 10th Jan 2014 07:39

Qantas will never be allowed to fail.

That would be too much.

SOPS 10th Jan 2014 07:43

500N......that's what they said about Ansett mate.

Andu 10th Jan 2014 08:09


QANTAS looks pretty much stuffed.
I think the QF management plan has been for quite some years now - (since they saw it could be done in 1989) - to run QF into the ground (perhaps an unfortunate turn of phrase) until it is indeed stuffed, then be 'forced' to shut it down, thereby being able to divest itself of all the union problems it has with its current staff.

Then they re-brand Jetstar as Qantas, invite only the ex-QF staff they want back into the the new 'lean, mean' Qantas on JetStar-style contracts and so have an airline with, if not non-union staff, then at least seriously weakened union involvement.

Captain Sand Dune 10th Jan 2014 08:19

And the little bomb maker will take a fat payout and retire back in Ireland.

Fliegenmong 10th Jan 2014 09:04

"Most of the people trafficked into UK arrive by plane as tourists and never leave."

I have read it's very similar here Blacksheep, but boat arrivals are made a big deal of here by the mainstream media, at least until the 'correct' gummint are installed...at which point reportage shrinks for 'operational' reasons :E

"Then they re-brand Jetstar as Qantas, invite only the ex-QF staff they want back into the the new 'lean, mean' Qantas on JetStar-style contracts and so have an airline with, if not non-union staff, then at least seriously weakened union involvement."

And how Mr Clifford & Mr Abbott will 'ReJoyce'...:E:{ ...might be enough to get the 'lil Irish shirtlifter an OAM.,....wouldn't he and Chris Pyne make a fine pair! :E:yuk::eek:

Clare Prop 10th Jan 2014 09:17

There is a huge difference between visa overstayers and boat people who lose their paperwork between Indonesia and here. The visa overstayers had a visa once upon a time. They don't have access to the benefits gravy train. They don't pay thousands of dollars to people smugglers to get here. Doesn't make it right, but you can't compare them.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I understood it was the Keating government that privatised Qantas? As well as the airports a few years later? So the current problems in Qantas can be laid at the feet of the ALP?

500N 10th Jan 2014 09:20

SOPS

I never though that way. IMHO Qantas is a different level.

Will be sad if it ever happened.

Fliegenmong 10th Jan 2014 10:18

"Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I understood it was the Keating government that privatised Qantas? As well as the airports a few years later? So the current problems in Qantas can be laid at the feet of the ALP?"

I would imagine that you would enjoy laying the blame at the feet of a government that ceased to be the year Pprune was founded Clare, but that Government morphed into something almost indistinguishable from an LNP Government (Sell off Public Assets), not unlike Abbott's enthusiasm for gummint welfare sees them not far removed from the ALP....

But you are correct it was Keating that moved to sell off 'The Rat', something any self respecting LNP Gummint would want to do too!

The airports were sold off under Kim Il howard, to mates whose interest is not in aviation infrastructure but car parks and retail outlets...... ;)

dubbleyew eight 10th Jan 2014 10:49

in the early days of australia nothing was viable commercially so everything got done as a government service.
and usually done well.
by the 70's the economic wheels were falling off left right and centre.
I remember coming out of high school into the first era of retrenchments and unemployment. sadly a new era dawning for australia.

the move to privatisation so that the economy could develop along the lines of the much more vibrant american economy started about then as the pollies tried to get australia working again.

it hasnt all gone well though.....

SOPS 10th Jan 2014 20:38

So, I see that the UN says that Australia pushing back boats may be illegal. Can someone please tell them that people breaching our borders in boats is also illegal. And then advise them that they are no longer welcome in Australia (the UN that is), and could they please close their office doors, and go away and stop annoying us. While they are at it, can they take Two Dads with them?

Why is it that Australian tax payers and their elected Government have no rights, while the country shoppers can do what ever they like?

500N 10th Jan 2014 20:49

F*ck the UN and what they say.

The good thing is, Abbott couldn't give 2 F's about what they say
and isn't likely to listen to them.

"Why is it that Australian tax payers and their elected Government have no rights, while the country shoppers can do what ever they like?"

Because of the lefty, do gooders f*ckwits in the world who have
taken the words "safety net" and "welfare" to the extreme.

How about we look after Aussies first and those who need more help here.

500N 10th Jan 2014 20:59

The other question is, WTF is the UN going to do if it is against the law ?

Nothing. They wouldn't have the balls for start and I think would
quickly be told to go take a jump if they did try anything.

So eff off and leave us alone.



Anyone notice that also on the Age front page a story about
the forced abortion of a pregnant Chinese lady by Chinese
authorities because of the one Child policy ?

Bet the UN doens't do much about that.

Dark Knight 10th Jan 2014 21:32

SOP & 500 - Second That. :ok::ok:

Move that the motion be passed.

Pinky the pilot 10th Jan 2014 23:05

Agree with the above posters re the UN. I have often wondered just what the UN would/could do if Australia announced that it was going to withdraw from the UN, repeal all the UN conventions previously signed and ratified, and from that time henceforth just do our own thing.'

I suspect there would be resolutions passed, lots of harsh words said, threats of embargos etc. In short, a huge load of
'sound and fury which signifieth nothing!

Unfortunately, I really doubt that any Federal government of any political persuasion would ever have the guts!

500N 10th Jan 2014 23:11

As much as I would love what you suggest, I think it far easier for
the Gov't to just totally ignore the UN and some conventions as
opposed to withdrawing. Less angst all round (even if it goes
against the grain for me).

After all, we all seem to agree that the UN can do bugger all about it.

rh200 10th Jan 2014 23:22


country shoppers
Ha. I like it. wonder if we should get it used more in the media. It will stop the huggy fluffys moaning about the other tags.


repeal all the UN conventions previously signed and ratified
What was that song about, I was only dreaming"

The refugee convention was one of those things that sounded good when it was first created, but like everything else failed to take into account relality's. The theory is simple.

Country has problem, people are persecuted, and flee. Another country looks after them. The UN rides in on the white horse, and solves all its problems, and they all live happily ever after. Well the first bit worked anyway, the second doesn't and all we have is a standard source/sink equation.

p.s, as with every thing else the definition the standard to what we think is persecution and needs have dropped over time as well. For example once maybe genocide though gas chamber or other means was once a standard, now its lack of basic amenities like welfare, TV's etc.

parabellum 11th Jan 2014 06:26

Reporting Illegal Arrivals
 
Do the Australian public, get a daily/weekly/monthly report on illegal arrivals at:
Melbourne airport? --------------- No.


Sydney airport?--------------------No.


Brisbane airport?--------------------No.


Any Australian airport?-------------No.


So why are Shorten and SHY getting so upset about not getting 24/7 reports and media coverage about illegal boat arrivals? As leader of the opposition, Shorten and SHY, a Senator, can surely get a personal briefing from the appropriate ministry, subject to the usual confidentiality clause, pretty much anytime they like.


Any operation I have been on has always been overlaid with a 'Need to Know' policy, this helps secure the success of the operation. Could it be that Shorten and SHY, contrary to the feelings of the majority of Australians, and elected to office by Australians, actually don't want TA's illegal migration policy to work?

Andu 11th Jan 2014 06:56

I think this has been posted here before, but it would be really interesting if some enterprising journalist could get Sarah Hanson-Young to sit down and watch this video and then critique it - on camera - afterwards.

Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs - Updated 2010 - YouTube


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