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Ken Borough 17th Dec 2013 10:25

I've read elsewhere the rumour that Alexander Downer is soon to be appointed High Commissioner to London. It's too much to bear thinking about.

TA's nominee for the soon to be replaced Governor-General will be interesting: John Howard, David Flint or George Pell. He might even surprise and delight us by foisting one of his friendly fawning shock-jocks on the country. :E

Worrals in the wilds 17th Dec 2013 10:38


...and delight us by foisting one of his friendly fawning shock-jocks on the country. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ilies/evil.gif
John Laws, GG...:eek::eek::eek: I think Pell Pot's a little busy right now, formulating all those excuses :ouch:. Also, he's now got a leftie Pope to deal with. The old order changeth...:}

parabellum 17th Dec 2013 10:45

I believe the role of GG should go to the retiring head of the armed forces and rotate every three years, above all, politicians, retired politicians and lawyers should be ineligible.

Worrals in the wilds 17th Dec 2013 10:48

Back to the old days!:}
Seriously, what if the head of the Armed Forces doesn't want it? My understanding is that a certain popular and worthy General was asked by several governments to take on the job and told them where to stick it.

For well over a decade I've touted the theory that there is one living man Australians would accept as Dictator (in the Roman sense) if the times demanded it, and he's the man who repeatedly hasn't wanted to be GG. :cool:

rh200 17th Dec 2013 10:58

maxmartin96


You have again lumped what I have with my partner of nearly 31 years with bestiality *again*. Thank you for showing respect to what I share with my partner. There's nothing more appalling then to be compared to bestiality, for you have done so. You may disagree with that assumption but it is evident that it was implied.
For the record, whether a person is gay or not, is of no concern to me. The purpose of the statement was to point out some basic un-emotive facts. And that is, in some places ,and by a not insignificant percentage of the population, some things that we naturally think are wrong, is not that cut and dried.

I also dumped in the old adult incest scenario that seems to be in favor in Europe. The reality is, everyone has there own values on what they believe in, and they can be very different.

So the question is what morals are best, because that is in effect what societys are based on. And this is where the problem lay, we get caught up in emotion to fight an issue, and then on entirely different subjects we become hypocritical when it suits us and demand every thing is based on science.

As one poster has smugly pointed out, no societys have fallen due to allowing gay marriage. This is the sort of reply which looks good but is misleading.

The problem is with the fundamental philosophy of moral bracket creep. One could argue that a lot of the values we started dumping decades ago, has lead to the break up of the family unit etc. etc. and all the other ills we have today, in essence the church was right.

This is the problem when forcing apparent small social changes, sometimes you don't see the results for decades. The reality is there is no such thing as right or wrong, these are society concepts, theres only natural and unatural.

So the question is, whats the way forward, well I have no f%$#n idea. But I'm not afraid to discuss all sides unemotionally.

Worrals in the wilds 17th Dec 2013 11:11


And that is, in some places ,and by a not insignificant percentage of the population, some things that we naturally think are wrong, is not that cut and dried.
Such as NSW :(. One of the big concerns here is that these people were supported by government benefits, and none of the government benefactors ever asked basic questions.
Secluded hills hid a family's darkest secret

The 'old' ways are not necessarily the best ways.

One could argue that a lot of the values we started dumping decades ago, has lead to the break up of the family unit etc. etc. and all the other ills we have today, in essence the church was right.
I know at least one criminal barrister who agrees with you. Not that he's religious, but his personal opinion is that religious fear kept a lot of dithery people on the correct path, away from kids and animals :yuk:.

rh200 17th Dec 2013 11:18


Such as NSW http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/sowee.gif. One of the big concerns here is that these people were supported by government benefits, and none of the government benefactors ever asked basic questions
Yes very sad, why does the thought of a banjo playing hilbilly come mind.


The 'old' ways are not necessarily the best ways.
Very true.

parabellum 17th Dec 2013 22:56

WITW- If the retiring head of the armed forces doesn't want to be GG then he doesn't get to be head of the armed forces! There are always at least three equally good candidates, probably more.http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/smile.gif


I don't believe that 74% of Australians agree with Gay marriage. 74% of the people asked maybe and I'll bet the pollsters never left the CBD!


Personally I think gay couples should be entitled to everything that hetro couples are, including divorce settlements, but they cannot call it marriage.

owen meaney 17th Dec 2013 23:43

I don't believe that 74% of Australians agree with Gay marriage. 74% of the people asked maybe and I'll bet the pollsters never left the CBD!



Agree with that parabellum.
I would also suggest that the bandits get there own paradigm to dance to.

500N 17th Dec 2013 23:55

parabellum

"WITW- If the retiring head of the armed forces doesn't want to be GG then he doesn't get to be head of the armed forces! There are always at least three equally good candidates, probably more.http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/smile.gif"

I disagree.

The head of the armed forces should be the best person for the job,
not the one who is picked because he said he will do the GG's job.

I think Cosgrove has said no to the GG's job, not sure if that is a
permanent No but will be interesting to see.

I would like to see Angus Houston get the GG job eventually.

500N 17th Dec 2013 23:57

Mitch

"This after former Victorian premier Steve Bracks was sacked from his position as Australia's consul-general in New York with one of Julie Bishop' first decisions in her new position.Ms Bishop cited the appointment by Labour was ''inappropriate'' because of its proximity to the Federal election even though it was not in the caretaker period."


I believe he was sacked because he campaigned against the Liberals during the election yet he was supposed to represent the Liberal Gov't overseas. He made his bed, now he has to sleep in it.

priapism 18th Dec 2013 00:13

How Labor booby-trapped Australia's future

bankrunner 18th Dec 2013 00:15


Such as NSW . One of the big concerns here is that these people were supported by government benefits, and none of the government benefactors ever asked basic questions.
Secluded hills hid a family's darkest secret
The location doesn't surprise me at all. A mate of mine worked down there as an ambo for about 10 years, and he's got plenty of stories about the locals, and particularly the children delivered.

It really is Deliverance country, and I'd be surprised if this is the only family like that down there.

priapism 18th Dec 2013 00:16

…and Larry has it sorted!
GOVT WASTE - The Pickering Post

bosnich71 18th Dec 2013 00:32

Ref. the G.G. job, why doesn't Abbott appoint someone who supports Australia becoming a Republic ?
Oh b****r that's already been done hasn't it ?

rh200 18th Dec 2013 00:41


why doesn't Abbott appoint someone who supports Australia becoming a Republic ?
Another one of those issues that is meaningless to the majority, and gets far to much air time for what its worth.

bosnich71 18th Dec 2013 01:58

rh 200 ..
I agree although I do sometimes think that should Oz become a Republic it would at least give my Australian mates one less thing to whinge about which is probably a major reason for most Aussies being in favour of the status quo.
Having said that if it does come to a vote then I believe it should be for those citizens born in Australia to be those who are asked to vote not every T.D & H or late arrival such as myself.

500N 18th Dec 2013 02:20

"Another one of those issues that is meaningless to the majority,
and gets far to much air time for what its worth."

+ 1

As pushed by ANOTHER Vocal Minority.

bosnich
I disagree re who should be allowed to vote IF it goes that way.
My issue with becoming a republic and / or that voting system is
someone with a heap of money could buy the job with carefully
crafted media.

rh200 18th Dec 2013 03:11

500N

My issue with becoming a republic and / or that voting system is
someone with a heap of money could buy the job with carefully
crafted media.
Not in Thailand protesting by any chance are you? :p

Exactly, if there was an practical benefit to it, I might think about it. But the chances are, we would get some overtly political moron, frankly I have more faith in Liz and dare I say it, Charley to do the right thing.

And its the reasons for going down that route that are exactly the same as for the gay marriage issue, purely philosophical we no practical gains.

Hence the side that want to push these issues, who are usually the one's espousing thought for they fellow "man" ,are prepared to completely denigrate another significant proportion of the populations, beliefs, all in the name of their own.

500N 18th Dec 2013 03:18

"frankly I have more faith in Liz and dare I say it, Charley to do the right thing."

+ 1

The fact Liz came out with that speech about it is the sign of a maturing Australia said it all for me, she is happy to continue while we want her.

With William and Kate around, I think it will push back the debate for years.

And agree with the rest. Someone with money and an agenda will at some
point get it.


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