PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Jet Blast (https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast-16/)
-   -   War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original (https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/477678-war-australia-any-oz-politics-original.html)

Worrals in the wilds 13th Nov 2013 07:23

Funnily enough they're not a signatory to the convention.
Who'd have thunk it...:}:E
UNHCR - States Parties to the 1951 Convention and its 1967 Protocol
Nor are Malaysia, Indonesia, Fiji or any of our neighbours that I can see except for PNG and the Solomons (don't rush, everyone :}). This may be partly why Australia is seen as the local area's best potential Des Res. There's also New Zealand, but it's a much longer boat trip.

500N 13th Nov 2013 08:31

Coming back in the car a few minutes ago, who lese but Rudd giving a speech.

It might have been to Parliament but regardless, it was him going through
a list of what he achieved :rolleyes:

Who would have guessed ;)

Takan Inchovit 13th Nov 2013 08:59

Did he really say,

"it really is time for me to zip".
:rolleyes:


Worrals, it must be time to rewrite the convention. We've passed a lot of water under the bridge since then. ;)

500N 13th Nov 2013 09:10

I just read the headline in the Age and see Rudd is leaving Parliament
so that was why he was giving a speech.

SOPS 13th Nov 2013 09:31

Wait a minute, didn't we just have an election in which Rudd stood as a candidate? And he won his seat, didn't he? Surely he had a responsibility at the time of the election either 1) not to stand or 2) to tell the voters that if the Labor party lost the election, he would not represent them for a full term.

Or maybe it's just me.........

500N 13th Nov 2013 09:39

Yes, he is a ****** for doing what he did.

Worrals in the wilds 13th Nov 2013 09:52


It might have been to Parliament but regardless, it was him going through a list of what he achieved :rolleyes:
Goodo. Parliament needs more short speeches. :E

Wait a minute, didn't we just have an election in which Rudd stood as a candidate? And he won his seat, didn't he? Surely he had a responsibility at the time of the election either 1) not to stand or 2) to tell the voters that if the Labor party lost the election, he would not represent them for a full term.
Hang on, this could work out well for everyone. Let's not be too hasty here...:suspect:
Takan Inchovit, I agree, and a lot of that water (from both sides) has been very smelly and self-interested.

Takan Inchovit 13th Nov 2013 09:55

What the heck, a big fat pension. To hell with the voters, saving the ALP from a torrid routing under Gillard might be Rudd's only claim to fame.

Edit:

I agree, and a lot of that water (from both sides) has been very smelly and self-interested.
yep time to empty the pockets

Andu 13th Nov 2013 10:04

Very gracious speech by Malcolm Turnbull. I think, if truth be told, that should be "TurnBULL". The man was and remains a total oxygen thief, and, even if one should not speak ill of the (politically) dead, I'll make an exception. He was and remains, a d*ckhead, pure and simple.

Electricity Bill made one (hopefully) accurate statement: "We'll never see the like of him again." We can but hope you're 100% right, Bill.

I hope Bill Glasson wins the seat.

I hope Rudd hasn't secured some sinecure job in the UN.

I hope we never hear from him again.

I'm certain there isn't anyone anywhere in Australia more relieved to see Rudd go than the senior members of the Labor Pardee.

Rudd's biggest sin was in not allowing everyone to vote Julia Gillard out so convincingly that she could never re-write history, as she and her apologists already are doing.

500N 13th Nov 2013 10:04

I see Gillard is selling up.

Headline from the Age.
"
Julia Gillard puts Altona house on market"

Worrals in the wilds 13th Nov 2013 10:29

Done a Bligh, eh? :hmm: Seems to be the new paradigm.

When speaking of his future Mr Rudd said he was planning to establish a "national apology foundation"
ROFLAMO. :} Gonna be a looong list.
Former prime minister Kevin Rudd quits federal politics with emotional speech to Parliament - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Very gracious speech by Malcolm Turnbull.
Gracious speeches are a key part of bloodless coups. Same with the kind words from Abbott, and more pointedly from Albo and Shorten. 'Goodbye and thanks, what a great bloke who's LEAVING.' [P.S. the door's at the back :E].
This whole episode will sound very familiar to any of you who have been involved in a footy club, Lions branch, parish or other community organization. It's so much politer than dragging someone out kicking and screaming. :suspect:

Federal politics is largely the same animal, just on a bigger scale. I think that the ALP's faceless men have won again, and IMO that's not a bad thing for either side.

I hope Bill Glasson wins the seat.
I don't. That's the game and let the games begin, but without the level of spite, vindictiveness and juvenile carry-on that has epitomised federal politics for the past few years.

Ken Borough 13th Nov 2013 11:38


That's the game and let the games begin, but without the level of spite, vindictiveness and juvenile carry-on that has epitomised federal politics for the past few years
A nice thought but after today's House of Reps with the 'adults in charge', I can't see that happening. With stone-walling that's practiced by that supercilious obnoxious Morrison, anything will happen and Madam Speaker did not appear to be the Iron Lady she's supposed to be.

Deviating slightly on the subject of The Speaker. I heard yesterday that a previous Speaker was asked how Bronnie would fare. After a couple of seconds thought, the response was something like 'she should do well as she doesn't have to put up with Bronwyn Bishop.' :}

Fliegenmong 13th Nov 2013 11:41

"Yes, he is a ****** for doing what he did."

As are the countless coalition members who've done the same down over the years eh 500? (Or shall we not mention them?) I've always maintained that if you win a seat, then short of chronic illness the cost of the by-election should be borne by you, the elected!!.....but of course we know that won't happen :rolleyes:

Hmm, yes 'Electricity Bill', was this what TA kept the Indonesian Deputy waiting for, whilst he pontificated childish point scoring? Not at all becoming of someone who claims the 'Adults' are back in gummint..... :yuk: ..... a bit like the state of number one Son's room ..... disappointing, but not surprising! And after just one day!...... I can see why Peter Slipper fitted into the Coalition so effortlessly for so many years....just like Tony, he was only ever in it for himself!

I have so enjoyed the way Scott Morrison pre election made a tremendous song and dance about anything that remotely even resembled a boat....yet claims to give airplay to any arriving now as encouraging them!!! :rolleyes::ugh: By Scott's own logic, his past performances are tantamount to High Treason...not that a compliant MSM would ever call him to task mind you!

Anyway, the predictably ungrateful Indo's (Why oh Why so many Liberal voting Bogans insist on visiting their shores and encouraging their behaviour I'll never understand) refuse to take boats back rescued within their waters! C'Mon TA, Man up! (As the younger set say :\)

The ever so compliant MSM regurgitated Scotty's claim that arrivals are down by 70%, and that may or may not be the case, I do believe I questioned the source of all boat arrivals a while back (Michael Smith stories??) but no one ever replied. Do arrivals really drop, just because Michael Smith (?) and the MSM (Under Scott Morrison's directive) stop reporting it?

One little matter I have never seen discussed here, I reckon that there are several tiers of Indonesian authority that profit handsomely from 'the trade', can't be sure, but would suspect it may very well be so..and if it were so, would certainly hope our intelligence agencies would be aware of it too.

Now if I, as an uninformed lay person suspect that Indonesian skullduggery may be at play....I could certainly expect that any number of Australian 'Intelligence' agencies may also suspect or indeed may have proof of the same.....

Now as a Government, or even I suppose as the alternative government, access is granted to such 'observations of intelligence', via Oz intelligence agencies, why should my lay intelligence be insulted by such a simpleton line as 'Stop the boats'??

Why do a compliant MSM not dig further? Why has the compliant MSM not investigated the 'reasonableness' of such simple little 3 word sound bites as 'Stop the Boats'? Plenty of Indos making plenty of coin out of this trade no doubt, plenty of Aust MSM gaining lots for not digging any deeper!

Not hard to see why 3 word catchphrases entrap the 'Big Brother' 'Today Tonight' 'Today' show kinda crowd :ugh::{

Classic Aussie apathy exploited effortlessly by a coalition knowing that the MSM will always pander to their cause....

Or to put that another way (As SunFish may have so termed it)

Critical investigation of all the factors involved in the arrival of country shoppers will never be explored by an MSM that relies upon a government to extend its business interests.....and it works because......

Shazza & Dazza voted for Tony, because he said 'Stop the Boats' he never cared to explain any further, and his advisors knew he didn't have to...MSM watchers are pliable putty in the hand of a strongman....and their attention span, or ability of critical thought does not extend beyond 'Dancing with the Stars', the LNP know this, and are aided and abetted by the MSM.......

There is surely no doubt that the dog whistle to the mindless MSM consumer rings loud inside a skull devoid of anything other that what shade of lipstick Paris Hilton is wearing, or what salad Some Kardashian chose to consume.....

That's why 'trash magazines' exist (Mrs Fliegen being an unabashed consumer of the same!:ugh:) They can always rely on 'lowest common denominator' demographics.......just as TA can! The more I think about it....:(

Fliegenmong 13th Nov 2013 11:53

Yes, the more I think about it, 'Lowest common denominator' is a demographic cunningly arrested by howard / TA, hats off where it's due, managed to dupe a whole bunch of minimum wage earning people into thinking they'd be better with 'work choices' :E ...but the diversionary tactic is boats....perfect....even better when you have a compliant MSM on side....

SOPS 13th Nov 2013 12:56

Well these boats seem to run ( excuse the pun) on a singular theme...constantly failing engines. If I was about to depart on a ocean crossing, I would check that the engine was capable of making more than a few miles before breaking down, forcing me to "call for help".

PM says no testosterone contest over boats - The West Australian

Andu 13th Nov 2013 19:44

I wonder if the Rudd departure will help towards the Libs calling for a double dissolution? Already WA seems committed to a second senate election thanks to the 'went missing' votes. Any drover's dog except Jaime Diaz should be able to roll Michelle Rowlands, a Minister in Shortern's Opposition front bench, from her seat, and hopefully, some of the anomalies that the last election brought up in senate results could be resolved with a bit of voter education during the election campaign.

The Libs might not do as well, but they still should hold government.

500N 13th Nov 2013 19:50

SOPS

So would I.

It is not a pleasant place in a small boat.

What surprised me though was the Indo SAR said they wouldn't go out because it was raining but local fishermen did and rescued some people ????


I think Abbott will get what he wants from the Indonesians in the end,
just had a few unexpected hiccups on the way, that's all.

Worrals in the wilds 13th Nov 2013 19:56


What surprised me though was the Indo SAR said they wouldn't go out because it was raining
Jeez :rolleyes:. Do their firies not turn out when it's smoky?

I wonder if the Rudd departure will help towards the Libs calling for a double dissolution?
Why? Shouldn't it just be a run of the mill by-election for Griffith :confused:? After one of the longest and most painful election campaigns in Australian history I don't think anyone's in the mood for another one just yet.

SOPS 13th Nov 2013 20:47

Indos won't go out because its raining????? What are they worried about, the boat might get wet??:mad::mad::ugh::ugh:

Ken Borough 13th Nov 2013 21:44

I accidentally happened across Kevin Rudd's retirement speech last night: it was good to see and hear another brick in the wall of Australian history. At the end of the speech, the ALP benches predictably rose as one and gave Rudd a standing applause. The reaction from the Coalition back-bench surprised me. Most Coalition back-benches sat in their seats devoid of all expression. Like Rudd or loathe him, he was, like it or not, the nation's leader for some time! This ought to have been recognised but the gormless dolts who sit behind the PM and his Ministry just sat in their seats looking fat, dumb and stupid. I guess their meanness of spirit and generosity says more about them than it does about others. Perhaps they were shocked but whatever the reason, their brain-dead reaction did not pass unnoticed. :E


All times are GMT. The time now is 05:01.


Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.