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500N 7th Nov 2013 09:27

I hope, even pray (which says a lot considering I am not religious :O)
that Tony Abbott sets back the climate change, greens, lefties and do gooders
so far in the next 4 years that even if he loses the next election, the people
involved in that lot will have spread far and wide and so take them another
4 years to even get organised.

That will go some way to getting Aus back on track.

SOPS 7th Nov 2013 09:30

I am right behind you 500N.

500N 7th Nov 2013 09:34

SOPS

I wonder if he will have a go at the ABC or will he leave it alone like
most others have done :O

It will be very interesting to see what the States do in the next few years
when elections come around, taking into account state issues.

Worrals in the wilds 7th Nov 2013 09:46


It will be very interesting to see what the States do in the next few years when elections come around, taking into account state issues.
Yeah... won't it. :E

SOPS 7th Nov 2013 10:15

If the ALPBC keeps going they way it is, for instance with that last Q and A, I really hope he as a go at them. In fact I hope he shuts off funding, closes the whole thing down, and starts again.

MTOW 7th Nov 2013 10:37

The way they're carrying on since the election, it's almost as if they're daring Tony Abbott to come in and take an axe to them.

Do they think they're safe with their darling Malcolm in place to run interference for them?

Worrals in the wilds 7th Nov 2013 11:12

Howard generally ignored them, which IMO added to both his and their popularity within their own tribes.

The question is whether the ABC influences public opinion. I don't think it does; it's more of an affirmation service for lefties. Likewise the Bolt Report and talkback radio provide comfort and succour for righties. The Murdoch press sits somewhere in the middle (depending on what week it is, this week is Right-Wing Week :hmm:) and the others just limp along behind :bored:.

I understand the argument that a publically funded broadcaster should be more bi-partisan (and I think SBS manages this quite well) but aside from this, remember that any commercial broadcaster will be owned by big business. In the age of digital TV it's simply not possible for a small business to run a television network. Even the commercial networks struggle to fill advertising space in regional areas, which is why you get so many 'vistas of Newcastle Cathedral' fillers in between programs on country stations :zzz:.

Therefore, if you squash the public broadcasters and starve them of funds, you won't get 'free' content in return. You'll get the Big Business approved content, as can already be viewed on 10, 9 and 7 and their affiliated internet news pages. If that's what you want then they're already there, and with far bigger budgets than the ABC. Anything on? :bored: Reality ballet dancing anyone?? Even more of that feral little Waterhouse pr:mad:k touting his gambling empire (with no disrespect to his Mum) in between occasional footy broadcasts?

A fairly small portion of the ABC's content is political. Most of it is kids' shows, docos, gardening programs and similarly harmless stuff. Squash it flat and I reckon there'll be just another network full of idiots who can't sing peppered with ads for fast food and gambling. That's commercial television. A bunch of dinosaurs mouthing off about how they lost the election is a small price to pay, remembering that 1. IMO they don't influence public opinion and 2. you have a channel changer.

Fliegenmong 7th Nov 2013 11:48

SOPS I reckon he should shut off funding too, make sure Rupert is allowed to get 10 and the rights to the revamped Aunty (There's a quid to be made in privatising stuff you know!)....

That should make for North Korea like coverage,..... just the way Kim Il howard would have wanted it! :D TA could deliver it to the 'true believers', imagine that!

A society espousing one common dictum without dissent, brought to you by Big Brother, Sunrise and the Today show!!! Oh and some in depth analysis of how great it all is by,...say, some critically independent entity such as 60 mins?? :{:{

I can see why Kim il wanted to revise history in school curricula...but this is even better! Nothing to revise! Ever! The one pardee faithful line delivered across all media without question....what a 'Utopia'! :eek:

OK, maybe poor 'ole Joe may suffer premature ejaculation at the thought of all the excitement, but that's just co-lateral damage to tax payer funded furniture :} who cares about that right? No one going to sit here anyway!:rolleyes:

SOPS 7th Nov 2013 12:13

Ok, point taken. However on a public broadcaster is it too much to ask for some balance. They can keep their Q And As and 7.30 reports if they broadcast some programmes with a slightly less left leaning as well. How about that as a plan?

500N 7th Nov 2013 15:15

SOPS

So what you are saying in that they will walk circles to the left but not quite so sharply :O

I don't think the ABC is that influencial apart from in it's demographic
which is set, small and old !!!

I watch more SBS than ABC by a factor of 100 to 1.

Andu 7th Nov 2013 20:56


A society espousing one common dictum without dissent, brought to you by Big Brother, Sunrise and the Today show!!!
With the exception of Macca on Sunday Morning, we have that already with every other talking head on the ALPBC. 7's David Koche and 10's 'The Project' crew might as well be paid by the ABC; they certainly sing from the same song sheet. I can't comment on the 'Today' Show; I haven't watched it in decades - and I gave up on the Project quite some months ago.

Probably showing my undisguised bias, but (is it Andrew?) O'Keefe should stick to game shows. In the 60 seconds or so I used to catch of his show if I changed channels too early to catch the evening news, I found him annoying and his style grating, even in that role. He's totally out of his depth pretending to be a political commentator.

500N 7th Nov 2013 21:02

"With the exception of Macca on Sunday Morning,"

I used to like Macca on a Sunday morning, then he became all anti gun.

So much for someone who supposedly supports the "bush" and enjoys
it out back of Bourke !

He doesn't stray that far from the ABC song sheet.

7x7 7th Nov 2013 21:27

From the Pickering site.


It was not a mid-ocean anything as HMAS Ballarat last night responded to a distress call a mere 57 kilometers from the Indonesian coast and well within their own search and rescue zone.
A wooden boat intending to illegally enter Australia with least 50 people on board, called for assistance due to an engine breakdown but on arrival the Australian crew determined that the engine was in good working order so they notified the Indonesians and left.
Responding to a further distress call showed the engine had been sabotaged and HMAS Ballarat stood by to await Indonesian assistance to return the boat to port.
It was reported the Indonesians had refused to respond, which was a departure from their recent willingness to accept the return of “asylum seeker” boats.
Apparently, Indonesian authorities had originally agreed to respond but the matter was quickly handed over to Indonesia's ‘Ministry for Politics’ and they had moved to instigate the current standoff.
There is no doubt the Indonesians are peeved at the political implications of spying accusations and are looking to capitalise electorally on the claims.
Australia’s espionage is centred on foiling Islamic terrorist activities that have claimed hundreds of Australian lives but it appears Indonesia has little concern for Australian lives and even less concern for our border security.
This aberrant corrupt nation must now be shown that we respect our sovereignty even if they don’t.
It is inconceivable that we support this obscenely rich nation to the extent of $600 million per year.
In return we are treated like swine at a Ramadan fast.
We have tried the softly softly approach and now it’s time for the big stic

500N 7th Nov 2013 21:33

I have to ask

"and well within their own search and rescue zone."

WTF are we doing SAR work inside their zone.

They have ships etc, WTF don't they do it.

I bet if it was a civvy container ship full of oil floundering or AS heading TO Indonesia, they would be out there quick smart.

7x7 7th Nov 2013 21:52

I have to agree with a comment I saw on the Pickering blog. If these people are taken to Christmas Island, it's as good as over, and for the people smugglers, it will be back to business as usual.

Worrals in the wilds 7th Nov 2013 22:58


Ok, point taken. However on a public broadcaster is it too much to ask for some balance. They can keep their Q And As and 7.30 reports if they broadcast some programmes with a slightly less left leaning as well. How about that as a plan?
That works for me. :ok: I do agree that they're extremely leftie at the moment. Even Red Kerry did some civil, decent interviews with Liberal pollies (Joe Hockey post election defeat was memorable; one of the best 7.30 Reports I remember watching). I couldn't see the current ABC erks being able to manage it.

I think Q&A tries to be the Project and fails dismally, because most of the people they get on just aren't funny and the hosts aren't talented enough to keep the show kicking along. The abortion comment wouldn't have made it past the ref on channel 10, nor should it have done on the ABC.

Of the two public broadcasters I think SBS does a far better job and has much more watchable content.

I bet if it was a civvy container ship full of oil floundering or AS heading TO Indonesia, they would be out there quick smart.
Speaking of which, oldie but a goldie...:} C&D are the pick of the ABC's political programming.

RJM 7th Nov 2013 23:01


They have ships etc, WTF don't they do it.
Not only do they have ships etc - we've paid for some of them! (Three Hercules C-130s, six Nomads, three patrol boats, that I've heard about)

500N 7th Nov 2013 23:14

Ships ppphhh

Jesus, if it gets that hard, supply them with some Zodiac inflatable or even better, some RIBS, both of which can easily survive Bass Straight in winter so sure as hell can handle 50kms off Indonesia.

At least enough to pull a few people off a wooden boat.

Would be a good Military exercise as well !!!

Captain Dart 8th Nov 2013 00:05

Recently went to a night where Bryan Dawe was the guest speaker. I sat down and after his acknowledgement to the 'traditional owners' (that hypocritical lip service always raises my blood pressure), I looked forward to some well-balanced, acid political commentary and instead got pretty-much a left-wing diatribe, together with constant references as to how badly done-by he was at school, as if he was the only kid to ever attend a state school, all thinly-veiled with some humour.

He took the 'proverbial' out of lots of Liberal politicians and policies, past and present. But not one reference to Gough or Juliar, there was one to Krudd and a kind anecdote about Keating. All in all, funny at times but on the whole, disappointing.

Oh yes, he works for the ALPBC. Why am I not surprised?

BEACH KING 8th Nov 2013 00:28


If the ALPBC keeps going they way it is, for instance with that last Q and A, I really hope he as a go at them. In fact I hope he shuts off funding, closes the whole thing down, and starts again.
That last Q&A.... What a freak show!


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