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Buster Hyman 25th Jul 2012 05:03


...she has changed in the last 6 years from what she was.
Alternatively, she has reverted to form after keeping up appearances for 6 years. ;)

410 25th Jul 2012 06:48

It would seem we're not alone in feeling we're being taken for suckers by the "country shoppers".

Brand New Leather Jacket - YouTube

SOPS 25th Jul 2012 07:18

How long will Julia last
 
This is only my opinion and based on nothing but a "hunch", and from reading and listening to a few commentators. If the poll numbers stay below 30, and I think they will, I give her until late September, mid October at the most.

There are reports out today that the Labor party is forming a working group, to work out how to recover from the train smash that will be the next election. So given that, I think they will want to replace her far enough out from the election, not in a hope of winning it, but in a hope of making it a smaller smash.

This, as I said, is just my opinion and I could be completley wrong.

SOPS 25th Jul 2012 09:06

Oh, and we just found another one, with 80 onboard!!. Why dont they just build a f##kcing bridge, it would be easier.:ugh::ugh:

500N 25th Jul 2012 09:33

Why not attach a rope to them and tow them back
and release it in Indonesian Waters.

My other preferred alternative is not PC enough
for a public forum.

parabellum 25th Jul 2012 12:29


This, as I said, is just my opinion and I could be completely wrong.
That is one possibility SOPS, or they could just leave her there to take all the blame for the disaster she has orchestrated, rather than hand someone a poisoned chalice?

SOPS 25th Jul 2012 13:01

Very true Para, I mean would anyone want the job now? I mean it would be like asking someone to volunteer to stand in front of the Indain Pacific, while is was going full speed, down hill.

Perhaps they will just leave her to stand among the carnage, and make a move from there. Time will tell.

RJM 25th Jul 2012 13:09

She's reverted to 'toughing it out'. It's all she has left.

Buster Hyman 25th Jul 2012 13:14

Brand ALP has been severly damaged. Moderate True Believers will turn against this Green/ALP hybrid Govt. in their droves. Many, even here, will rely upon the age old method of repeating a lie often enough that it becomes the truth. It works on them, but it just wont work on everyone else now.

The ALP probably need to get wiped out in order for the following moratorium that will allow them to return to their roots & purge the remnants of the Red Witch & Comrade Rudd from their ranks. If they get it right, they may not be out of power for too long.

CoodaShooda 25th Jul 2012 13:50

The final nail in the coffin of brand labor will be the fallout from the union corruption enquiries, which I think we will find is only just starting.

I can't see Shorten avoiding it - and he is widely touted as the future messiah. Personally, when I see him on TV, I think more of Beazley, Latham, Rudd and Gillard than Hayden, Hawke or Keating.

Speaking of gut reactions, what was the general, visceral reaction to Hugh Jackman appearing with Julia Gillard yesterday? My initial thought was that it would be a negative for Jackman's reputation while not doing anything to boost Gillard's standing.

The small straw poll I've conducted today, admittedly with only female respondents, tends to bear this out with the responses unanimously being along the lines of "Hugh, how could you?".

allan907 25th Jul 2012 15:12


"Hugh, how could you?".
I think it's a luvvie and pseudo-intelligentsia thing. It's probably something that they've never grown out of from year 11 or uni days. They think that they are above the hoi polloi and sneer at anyone who disagrees with the utopian leftist view and regard them as something less than human.

When that opinion triumphs occasionally you eventually see the train wreck that is currently happening in Australia. Somehow or other the raw facts and reality don't seem to have much influence on them and they retire into their corners snarling and bitching about how good it was when a leftist government was in charge.

One fully expects a post along the lines of "Inflation only 1.8% - that just shows you how well this totally misunderstood government is doing etc etc" to appear before too long.

tick, tick, tick, tick........

500N 25th Jul 2012 20:57

"Very true Para, I mean would anyone want the job now? I mean it would be like asking someone to volunteer to stand in front of the Indain Pacific, while is was going full speed, down hill."


Their is a precedent that I can remember.

In Victoria, Joan Kirner took the job of Victorian Premiere from John Cain II on a Labour train wreck that was as you described, mainly because none of the men wanted to take it.

She actually made quite a good fist of it in the 2 years until the election
and won admiration for it.

Further to my questions above, I am not sure anyone in the Federal Labor party want to take on the job if they are going to lose the election and therefore Julia might just tough it out to the end.

Andu 25th Jul 2012 22:57

The comments on Hugh Jackman's (squirmworthy) appearance alongside JG are interesting.

I don't know if anyone else here watches 'Paul Murray Live' on Sky. I've only recently stumbled across it, and find it (him) refreshingly 'in yer face' on a number of issues.

He was more than a little outraged over the Gillard/Jackman love in, mainly over Gillard's giving - giving, not loaning - 12.5 million BORROWED, TAXPAYERS' dollars to the producers of the new Wolverine movie so that they would make the movie in Australia. (That's almost as much money as the same government saved in taking the free annual ticket home from single members of the defence forces.) He came up with a chart showing that the Wolverine franchise had doubled its investment with its last movie. (I think the figures were, $120 million to make it, while the movie made $230 million, but I might have those figures wrong.) Then he went on to ask whether there was any provision for the movie company to repay this money if the next movie made similar profits and the answer was NO. It's a gift from the Australian taxpayer to an American movie company, along the same lines as the muti million dollars we give to Ford, Toyota, GM and who knows whom else so they'll keep building cars here. Then, after taking the money, they don't, but let's not go there. (And before Matt/Lex et al patronisingly explain to me all the money that making the movie here will bring in to the Australian economy, let's not go there either. It's a rort.)

Meanwhile, on the ABC's AM this morning, we hear audio grabs of Ahmed, the hapless Iranian asylum seeker, begging for assistance for him and his 70 companions from Australian authorities as his stricken vessel founders off the coast of Bali, (eh?) and how, despite being given GPS co-ordinates from Ahmed's phone, the Indonesians are unable to locate the boat - so a navy ship is hastening to the rescue.

I sincerely hope that that ship is either:
(a) an Indonesian Navy vessel, or
(b), if Australian, it takes the survivors to the nearest port and not, as I suspect it will, all the way to Christmas Island.

500N 25th Jul 2012 23:05

"Meanwhile, on the ABC's AM this morning, we hear audio grabs of Ahmed, the hapless Iranian asylum seeker, begging for assistance for him and his 70 companions from Australian authorities as his stricken vessel founders off the coast of Bali, (eh?) and how, despite being given GPS co-ordinates from Ahmed's phone, the Indonesians are unable to locate the boat - so a navy ship is hastening to the rescue.

I sincerely hope that that ship is either:
(a) an Indonesian Navy vessel, or
(b), if Australian, it takes the survivors to the nearest port and not, as I suspect it will, all the way to Christmas Island."


GPS is only useful if you have a SAR service and GPS !!!

Why are we doing SAR in Indonesian waters ?

Anyway, in answer to your questions
(a) I doubt it, they don't have enough and what they do have are not allocated to SAR
(b) Look at recent history but don't forget they have to go past centrelink to pick up all the benefits first:rolleyes:

eagle 86 26th Jul 2012 00:06

Someone will step up - there is no ego bigger than a labor pollie's ego - to paraphrase Richo - "power at any cost".
GAGS
E86

parabellum 26th Jul 2012 03:09

As the ALP and the Greens are in a written agreement to form a coalition how about Christine Milne or Sara Hanson Young to take over from Gillard as PM?:E

600 more jobs to go from Caltex, 150 more lost at LCQ, my how the economy is booming down here!:mad:

Andu 26th Jul 2012 05:28

The boat that asylum seeker Ahmed on board was north of Java (and Bali) when Ahmed made his distress call and it would seem the Indonesians have now found it. The interesting question now is:

"What will become of the boat and the people on board?"

In my opinion, there's a very good chance that the same people will board it to continue their journey after repairs have been completed. (Next time, they'll make sure those bungs in the pre-drilled holes in the hull don't start leaking until they are REQUIRED to start leaking - i.e., when the Australian Navy or Customs ship appears over the horizon - and they'll probably prevail upon Ahmed not to use his phone next time until south of Java.)

Whatever, my guess is we'll be "greeting" Ahmed and his 60+ travelling companions within the week.

Fliegenmong 26th Jul 2012 10:33

Hey you rabble of rambling ideologues, I haven't checked in here for ages (Oz Hamster at least),.....Been a bit busy with some personal affairs, which culminated with the burial of a friends 7 yr old daughter this afternoon after a 7 month cancer battle....and

Well...it puts things in perspective for you, that's for freaking certain!!

Both sides of politics in this country are rotten to their roots, period....no arguement...but seeing what I have over this past year up to this afternoon...well, as a parent, and as a human, often forget how good we have things, often forget how much the near and dear really mean...and I pray I never have to go through another poor innocent child's funeral, after watching their sad & tragic demise

Ok, thank you, I had to get it off the chest thank you.....resume ladies & gentlemen......but don't lose sight of what you have!

Buster Hyman 26th Jul 2012 11:17

Well. thats the point really isn't it Fliegs. Perspective, when you come across it, hits you right between the eyes!

Can't really begin to imagine what the last 7 months for you & your friends has been like, but my sympathies regardless.

I too lament the loss of true Statesmen & Politicians in Oz. It's just another career option now.

Struggle on Fleigs. Fight the good fight, and don't let the bastards get you down.

Fliegenmong 26th Jul 2012 12:12

Buster, I'm sure we haven't always seen eye to eye in the past, if I recall correctly, but I sure do appreciate the graciousness of your response!

I don't need struggle on, I do better than I care to admit sometimes, and as for the bastards, I learnt not to let them get me down years ago, wouldn't give the bastards the satisfaction!

You are right the perspective hits you right between the eyes, and instantly you think, what are my problems??? Am I not indeed blessed not to have the problems of others!

EffohX 26th Jul 2012 12:15

Things are going swimmingly for Australia under Ms Gillard's guiding hand - 800+ jobs to be lost in 2014 as the Caltex Kurnell refinerly will shut down, and in Victoria, LTQ (co-owned by Qantas and Lufthansa) closes a jet maintenance facility. Another 164 jobs gone.

Surely there are serious Defence and national security implications involved in these closures? Or are our "leaders" (!) content to have us be a mine and a tourist destination to the world and nothing else?

And yet another boat carrying 54 "new Australians" 'meeted and greeted' off the Western Australian coast today. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would love to hear the opinions of the crews on those RAN patrol boats about the policies they are instructed to carry out.

AND - (you couldn't make this up) - Julia Gillard announces that Australia is giving half a million dollars to maintain the concentration camp at Auschwiz.

parabellum 26th Jul 2012 13:19


AND - (you couldn't make this up) - Julia Gillard announces that Australia is giving half a million dollars to maintain the concentration camp at Auschwiz.
Do we know yet who she plans to send there? The Greens perhaps?;)

MattGray 26th Jul 2012 14:38


You are right the perspective hits you right between the eyes, and instantly you think, what are my problems??? Am I not indeed blessed not to have the problems of others!
Amen to that Fliegs!

Unfortunately nothing speaks louder to the lack of any such empathy, compassion and perspective in the wider Australian community than the deplorable events of the past 24 hours where we saw the bloody minded Liberals choose to play political footy with the disabled, the handicapped and their 24/7 carers.

To our national shame Australia ranks last among all OECD countries when it comes to disability support ie Australia is 27th of 27 nations.

Yet when Prime Minister Gillard put $1 Billion on the table at COAG to fund the roll out of the National Disability Insurance Scheme the Liberal State Premiers alone turned their back on our 360,000 fellow citizens with a profound or severe disability.

Ted Baillieu can't find $10 million for disabled Victorians. But $59 million for his good Liberal mate Ron Walker's F1 bread and circuses. No problem!

Liberals? Perspective? :yuk:

Campbell Newman can find money in his claimed Spanish like empty treasury for High Court mining tax challenges for his billionaire mate and sponsor Clive Palmer, but none for handicapped Queenslanders under the National Disability Insurance Scheme.

Liberals? Priorities? Perspective? :yuk:

Barry O'Farrell - $300 million cut for the big clubs on their poker machines taxes. No problem. The disabled? Go jump.

Liberals? Common sense? Compassion? Perspective? :yuk:

But let's not discuss the elephant in the room when we can obsess over Ahmed, his leaky boat and a handful of asylum seekers.

Liberals? Perspective? :yuk::yuk:

The deliberate sabotage of the NDIS by thepoker bloody minded Federal :mad: Noalition and its client States will not soon be forgotten by the impaired, the disabled, the handicapped, their carers and any fair minded Australians.

MattGray 26th Jul 2012 15:22

Further..............
Queensland Government scraps $6.50 wheelchair passenger bonus for taxi drivers




THE Newman Government has dealt another blow to Queenslanders with disabilities, axing a taxi subsidy scheme before it even began.

The former Labor government had promised to compensate cabbies $6.50 for every trip taken by a person in a wheelchair, helping to compensate drivers for revenue lost due to the extra time it takes to pick up disabled customers.
It was hoped the scheme would lead to better customer service for passengers with disabilities and eliminate "recalcitrant operators" who were reluctant to respond to wheelchair jobs because of the extra effort and time involved.
The scheme was due to start on July 1 but Transport Minister Scott Emerson last night told the Taxi Council of Queensland the subsidy would be axed altogether.

RJM 26th Jul 2012 16:17

Putting aside this particular case, Iit seems to me thatr there is a growing tendency to look to the government fior cash assistance at every turn. This tendency is fuelled by the growing habit of governments of both parties to hand out sweeteners on a grand scale, not always in response to a genuine need but in fact as bribes.

Having got that off my chest, here's one of the hardest hitting Pickering cartoons I've seen. This and others didn't make it into the maistrewam press - they're available on Pickering's blog.


allan907 26th Jul 2012 16:43

Righto. You're a prime minister that is despised and reviled throughout the country; your own team aren't really sure of you and they are threatening to do the same to you as you did to your predecessor. It really isn't looking too flash for you at the moment, particularly as you have staked everything on your popularity returning after the introduction of some really disastrous policy on the back of a lie to the people and your crystal ball gazing has been a tad adrift and your popularity is actually going backwards. What do you do?

You propose a piece of really touchy feely policy which is guaranteed to make everyone weak at the knees and you bring in the State Premiers who you know despise you even more than your own colleagues and you pitch the proposal at them while deliberately underfunding your policy. You know that the way that you pitch the proposal will be totally unacceptable to them which will guarantee a refusal to play your particular game; you tee up your "friendly" States to sign up and then you blame the other States for not coming to the party. You hope that the majority of the people can't see through your ploy and you will be seen as the caring soul you would like to be seen as while castigating the hard hearted opponents.

It is all in hope of giving you a 1% rise in popularity which will last until the next poll. In any event, it protects your salary for another couple of weeks at least.

Unfortunately the people no longer believe in you, your policies or your team.

tick, tick, tick, tick......

RJM 26th Jul 2012 16:56

Agreed, allan907. What's more, it shows Julia's contempt for the average punter.

As The Lady In The Shopping Mall said, "We're not stupid, you know."

On the Qld disabled taxi credit. Does winning the election mean that Campbell Newman has to deliver every promise made by the desperate-to-be-relected, but thrown out, Bligh government?

Andu 26th Jul 2012 22:01


Unfortunately nothing speaks louder to the lack of any such empathy, compassion and perspective in the wider Australian community than the deplorable events of the past 24 hours where we saw the bloody minded Liberals choose to play political footy with the disabled, the handicapped and their 24/7 carers.
Matt, Matt, Matt... You bring a whole new dimension to the word "spin". Tony BLIAR would give you a job with the positive pro-Julya spin you've managed to manufacture from her latest dip into the cynical pond. 60% - SIXTY **** PERCENT!! - of the budget of Julya's version of the NDIS going into administration costs?

C'mon, Matt, even a true believer like yourself should choke on that. It's straight out of "Yes Minister" and the "most efficient hospital in Britain" episode - you know, Matt, the one that had the "most efficient" hospital that had 500 administrators but no patients.

The way Gillard set this up to fail plumbs a new depth in political cynicism. It is she who squandered the chance of a NDIS, not the non Labor State Premiers.

One Tamil deported and the refugee advocacy groups are carrying on like it's seventy years ago we've just sent a trainload of people of a certain non-Christian faith to... dare I use the name of the place we've just bankrolled?

As for parabellum's comment:

Do we know yet who she plans to send there? The Greens perhaps?
With the Greens' policy of a maximum sustainable population for Australia of 7 million (and with their "SHYs" 'open door to all' immigration policy), you'd have to seriously ask yourself whether parabellum hasn't got that the wrong way around.

CoodaShooda 27th Jul 2012 01:13

Fleigs

Thanks for the reality check and my heartfelt sympathy to your friends.

No parent should have to bury their child, yet life is so fragile and so precious.

While we occasionally beg to differ on this thread, I hope we will still see you continue to contribute.

Gems like "you rabble of rambling idealogues" are, by themselves, worthy of the admission price.

eagle 86 27th Jul 2012 03:52

Matt,
You let your argument down by the obvious lack of research into the subjects that you espouse upon. The lobster's intent was to have the ndis put in place within a couple of months of the next fedelec and as stated above most of the money was going into - you guessed it - administration - yet again.
GAGS
E86

allan907 27th Jul 2012 07:50


Unfortunately nothing speaks louder to the lack of any such empathy, compassion and perspective in the wider Australian community than the deplorable events of the past 24 hours where we saw the bloody minded Liberals choose to play political footy with the disabled, the handicapped and their 24/7 carers.
Hate to rain on your little party but it seems that the States were very keen on getting the NDIS in place quick smart and they even suggested a national medicare-type levy to fund it thereby putting Abbott in a position he couldn't refuse but, as usual, it seems that Jooliar was able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by steadfastly sticking to her plan of part funding from Canberra and the States stumping up the cash in an open-ended commitment.

So where's the "deliberate sabotage" now?

Never let the facts get in the way of good anti-Liberal rant.

bob johns 27th Jul 2012 14:22

bob johns
 
Ah well here we go again with another bloody sports carnival that is going to dump another country into deeper financial shit than it is already just like us in 2000 . Someone must be making a quid out of it , certainly not the ,poor ******* tax payers of the host nation, Why the hell do we put up with this ,bread and circuses verbal masterbation and bullshit from the government and media? For Christs sake what use to the world is some bloke that can swim faster backwards than another ,or one mob of lesbians throw a ball over a net on a beach than another ? Am I cynical ? Bloody oath I am -- no one country that has hosted an Olympic games since Montreal has !had a look in .Ar there probably would have been a few left over pollies that might have prospered !

SOPS 27th Jul 2012 15:34

Well here is one for you Ladies and Gentlemen. I am on a Jakarta overnight. And the headlines on the front page of the Jarkata Post reads today " China Jakarta begin missiles talks"

To summarrise a long article, Indonesia has allocated 15.8 billion (yes billion) US dollars on a moderenised weapons defense system between now and 2014. This is for an anti ship missile weapon system, first made in China, but later made at home in Indonseia. It is called the C705 anti ship missile.

So while Juila has lowered our own defense spending back to levels not seen in Australia since before Federation, or perhaps before 600AD (as many of our new guests would like it, that is the century they wish us all to live in) our nearest neighbour, which we supply ample aid to, is spending 15 billion dollars on a system that will allow them to "blast" the leaky boats through, should HMAS Rescue try to stop them.:mad::mad::mad::mad::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Andu 27th Jul 2012 22:56

...and oh, how Joolia and Wayne have been waiting for the Olympics to start... With the meedjia and the sports-obsessed Oz maninthestreet totally distracted by the "bread and circuses" in London, for the next 17 days, Jools, Chris Bowen and the World's Best Treasurer are free and clear to do as they please.

QE2 could pull up at Flying Fish Cove laden with standing room only "irregular arrivals" and it will hardly rate a mention behind the well known Australian athlete Mary-Lou Whoeversheis' suspected strained left ligament tendon - on the ABC and Fairfax at least.

MattGray 28th Jul 2012 02:31

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7...3gf0o1_500.jpg


:D............:ok:...........:D

Liberals............:yuk:

Buster Hyman 28th Jul 2012 03:06

You should be embarrassed by that post. := However, you once again illustrate to the rest of us how irrelevant your argument has become.

bob johns 28th Jul 2012 03:51

bob johns
 
Good call Buster most canucks I have met seemed pretty smart.

MattGray 28th Jul 2012 04:33

As Barrie Cassidy observed "the failure of the richest states to cough up a relative pittance towards the NDIS trials appears to be the dumbest - and meanest - act by leading politicians in a very long time.

What on earth drove the premiers to think they could go down this path and emerge unscathed politically? "



Even the High Priest of pro Liberal commentary, John Laws said something similar.And the angry public were right onto them as talkback and media commentary demonstrated.

That was about the time the Liberal Captain sniffed the political breeze and deserted the ship leaving his State Premiers to weather the growing storm.

And all the true blue believers, totally out of touch with community attitudes, can do is sneer at the NDIS "as a piece of really touchy feely policy which is guaranteed to make everyone weak at the knees".

And then have the rolled gold chutzpah to cover their shame by crying "Troll".

:mad:

parabellum 28th Jul 2012 04:47

Bob Johns - He isn't a Canadian, you are right, they are a pretty smart lot generally speaking but he would love to get this thread closed. Provided we don't feed the troll there is a good chance he will get himself banned, his posts are intended to be offensive in the hope that someone will bite. Funny thing is he hasn't even read today's papers, otherwise he would know that his last two posts are well out of date.:rolleyes:

allan907 28th Jul 2012 07:14

The Weekend Australian is chokker today with articles telling how Labor is doomed. And that's from all sides of the political spectrum. Even Latham is saying that Gillard must go and he proposes Swanny take over. Say what you like about Latham - he's still got a sense of humour.

There's also a "pissing in the wind" article by Emerson. I can't say that the lyrics scan and I'm damned if I can pick the tune this time. :}

Fishing's a bit poor today - there's nothing biting. :eek:


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