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allan907 10th Jul 2012 15:32

"Another boat, another policy failure"

And on a daily basis too :eek:

Andu 10th Jul 2012 22:51


I haven't heard, has today's boat arrived yet?
two boats yesterday, apparently, and a 43 year old Indonesian fisherman found innocent of people smuggling after 18 months in Australian detention.

Apparently, he was offered $300 to be a cook on a tourist fishing trip and was utterly surprised to find the boat filling with strangers. Then the captain got off the boat after giving the hapless cook a compass bearing to steer. "Wassen me, I wassen even in the country. I was just a poor fisherman duped into crewing the boat."

The gentleman, heavily disguised so he could not be identified by those dreadful people smugglers, said he had no complaints about the way he was treated. He was given "good accommodation, was treated very well, a health check, English lessons. Australia is a great place."

What's the bet he was also given tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in compensation after having been found innocent?

parabellum 11th Jul 2012 09:32

Gillard doesn't have any more other peoples money to give away so she is now dispensing largess! Brisbane get the next conference (and the bill for public disorder).:rolleyes:

Andu 11th Jul 2012 09:58

...and we've all had it wrong all these years. Just as 'hyperbole' is actually pronounced 'hyperbowl', Labor Party' as 'Labor Pardee', Yeppoon, (S23.07.48 E150.44.00) is pronounced 'YupON'.

Another display of Juliar's wide knowledge of the nation she 'leads' (!!) that is not likely to go down well with the Central Queenslanders.

allan907 11th Jul 2012 12:47


not likely to go down well with the Central Queenslanders.
and certainly not likely to go down well with West Australians. The leader of the Labor party here (Mark McGowan in case you were wondering!) has stated that Gillard is not welcome in WA to help with electioneering in the run up to the State election.

Ouch!

david1300 11th Jul 2012 23:53

Smugglers' distress call rescue tactic
  • by: Paul Maley and Peter Alford
  • From: The Australian
  • July 12, 2012 12:00AM
  • 14 comments
PEOPLE-SMUGGLERS are instructing asylum-seekers to call Australian rescue crews as soon as their boats are barely off the Indonesian coast in a new tactic that is further stretching Australia's already overworked Customs and navy crew.
As authorities yesterday moved to assist an asylum boat north of Christmas Island after a distress call from those on board - the second in 24 hours - sources close to the smuggling trade in Jakarta told The Australian people-smugglers were encouraging passengers to use the Australian navy as a collection service to Christmas Island.

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

Howard Hughes 11th Jul 2012 23:58

Time for a fecking big fence me thinks, I know we can do it, after all we built the 'dingo fence' didn't we?:ok:

allan907 12th Jul 2012 01:36

So it's not only Australians that think Gillard is a joke.

Much more of this and maybe the citizens will start to take the law into their own hands. Thanks for getting us into this postion Jooliar. :yuk:

Andu 12th Jul 2012 06:31

Queenslanders will be pleased to have learned today that, according to our Prime Minister, Brisbane is "a world class ciddie".


Meanwhile, yet another boat arrived today, with at least three "poor, oppressed" asylum seekers among its passengers with enough money to have sat. phones with which they made (it would appear HOAX) distress calls not long after leaving port.

....oh, and (of course), they're now on the way to Christmas Island on HMAS Taxi.

SOPS 12th Jul 2012 10:27

When HMAS Rescue arrives at the "boat in distress", if it is found not to be in actual trouble, why cant the just turn around an head off again?

RJM 12th Jul 2012 13:35

Meanwhile, for our entertainment, there's a by-election on Saturday 21st July in the Victorian state seat of Melbourne. The principal candidates are both Melbourne city councillors - for Labor, Greek schoolteacher turned Labor lawyer Jennifer Kanis and for the Greens, environmental sustainability activist Cathy Oke. There's no Liberal candidate.

The money's on the Greens, with the Labor candidate saying, without a trace of a laugh, that hardly anyone she's talked to mentions Gillard and federal Labor in relation to their voting decision.

The Greens have wheeled in Mad Bob, but Gillard hasn't been 'helping' the Labor campaign, other than by staying away.

Relations between the two ladies are still fairly civil, but there's every chance of things livening up before the poll.

SOPS 12th Jul 2012 14:06

Not being up with Vic state politics, why no Lib Candidate?

1DC 12th Jul 2012 14:58

I believe that it is compulsory to vote in Oz, so what does a liberal do if he or she has no candidate?

RJM 12th Jul 2012 15:36

The Liberals are in power in Victoria, with 45 pro-Liberal seats to 42 anti-Liberal. Melbourne is regarded as a Liberal 'dead zone', with any Liberal candidate unable to win outright or on preferences.

Imho, the Libs are not running a candidate in order to force Labor, especially Gillard, to campaign hard against the Greens, their federal partners whose support Labor needs to stay in power in Canberra. That's one of the reasons this should be entertaining.

It's a bit rough on the local Liberals, but they'll either have to vote Green (which is most likely) who have preferenced Labor ninth, or for one of the fringe right-wingers among the big field of candidates, or vote 'informal' (ie in a way that doesn't count. Last time in this electorate, Labor won on Liberal preferences, and a Labor win is the last thing the Liberals want now, even though it wouldn't change the Vic parliament numbers. Far better a Greens victory. It still won't hurt the local balance of power, but it would pour petrol on the federal Greens/Labor stoush.

Compulsory voting makes preferences very important in these situations, and even if you vote for a candidate who gets almost no votes, your preferences stay alive. As low-polling candidates are progressively knocked out in the count, your preference trickles on finally to be distributed between the last two standing.

RJM 12th Jul 2012 20:11

Getting desperate...

On the day of the Melbourne by-election, Julia will be holding her own little media event:

"On July 21st, Deakin University, Google+, Fairfax and OurSay are hosting an Australian first: Prime Minister Julia Gillard will answer your questions in a “Google Hangout”, an internationally live web broadcast.

Want to be a part of it? Post your question for the Prime Minister on OurSay.org and vote for your favourite questions too. The three people who ask the most popular questions will join Prime Minister Julia Gillard for a Hangout moderated by Fairfax political reporter Misha Schubert.

Voting ends on July 19th at 5 PM."


Misha Schubert is a 'friendly' of course, so there'll be no questions like the popular "Why don't you p*ss off?"

Andu 12th Jul 2012 22:49

It will be interesting to see the number of informal votes that are lodged in the seat of Melbourne by-election. Me? I'd scrawl "none of the above" in very large letters on my slip - and I'm damned tempted to do in my own electorate.

CoodaShooda 13th Jul 2012 03:55

RJM

From what I gather there's a tussle on between Bolt Followers and Get Up to promote the top three questions.

Last I heard, the right was in the lead with climate change/tax questions.

Democracy at work. :hmm:

Buster Hyman 13th Jul 2012 05:01

The Bolters will win that. Those GetUp guys have no stamina...they collapse at the drop of a hat!

Saltie 13th Jul 2012 07:12

No boat(s) today?

Or should that be "yet"?

I'm a bit surprised someone hasn't come up with some new lyrics to Craig Emerson's "No Whyalla wipeout" along the lines of:


Watch a horror leader ruinin' my country,
Horror leader runiin' my country,
Horror leader ruinin' my country,
Shockin' me right outa my brain...
Shockin' me right out of my brain...

She's bound to do ya in, get ya under your skin
With the sound of her bray, oh yeah
She's bound to be a nation killer, we're all bound for the chiller
She's bound to be a nation killer, oh yeah

Horror leader, ruinin' my country,
Horror leader, ruinin' my country,
Horror leader, ruinin' my country,
And.. it's... shockin' ... me ...right ... out of ... my ... brain...


allan907 14th Jul 2012 07:39

In the meantime in order to demonstrate how much notice the Indons take of our Dear Leader :yuk: the following appeared in today's papers:


The Indonesian Government is growing impatient with the 10,00 or more asylum seekers using its country as a waiting room and wants Australia to accept more to reduce numbers.

etc

etc

etc

It was up to Australia to ease Indonesia's burden by "opening your doors as wide as possible" Johnny Hutauruk, deputy head of the Human Trafficking, Refugees and Asylum Seekers desk said.
So, Indonesia appears not to be able to stop them at the airports by applying the immigration and passport checks that every other country does and we have to fling our doors wide to accept them.

Thanks Jooliar :yuk:. The Indons are laughing at us - can you hear it?

parabellum 15th Jul 2012 01:30

The more I hear and read of the ALP and the Greens approach to illegal immigrants that come by boat the more I am convinced that they are either totally ignorant of what is really happening or are actually conniving to allow unlimited entry to these unqualified queue jumpers.

In the case of Milne and Hanson - Young I accept their plea of total ignorance of pretty much everything that matters.

(Where is Worrals these days, a cruise, the Olympics perhaps?;)).

Clare Prop 15th Jul 2012 02:17

Groovy baby, Yeah!

Labor is getting its mojo back | Article | The Punch

:ugh::ugh:

Not just the Greens who are delusional.

hellsbrink 15th Jul 2012 04:36

Delusional indeed



the party that has gave us superannuation, family assistance, Medicare, anti discrimination, Mabo, land rights, the Franklin River to name a passing few
So this river (for we do not know which one the writer means) would not have existed if it were not for Labor (even though the rivers with that name had been there since times before the existence of the ALP)?

Now, if the muppet writing the article had said something along the lines of the "Franklin-Gordon National Park" (not the full name, I know, just using an example) then she would have had some semblance of credibility in the rest of the article. But to try and say that there would be no "Franklin River" unless the ALP GAVE it to the sheeple is unbelievable. And when you see something as ridiculous as that at the start of an article, you know that it's an imbecile writing the whole thing.


(we won't go into her other claims, especially Mabo)

Andu 15th Jul 2012 04:45

Many here call the Greens 'the watermelons' - (green on the outside, red on the inside). With that in mind, and recalling what the original Reds did with dissenters (or even perceived to be possible dissenters) back between the 1920s and the 1950s, when you consider that on the one hand, the Greens are calling for open door immigration while at the same time, their manifesto (available online) says that their Grand Plan sees a 'maximum sustainable' population of Australia of 7 million, you could be forgiven for asking what they plan to do with the other 16 million already here?

And that's not counting those who would come here under their open borders policy.

So what's their plan? Gulags-on-the-Murray? or Auschwitz-in-the Artesian-Basin?

This would be a good question to pose to every Greens Party member handing out How To Vote cards at the next election.

Andu 15th Jul 2012 20:56

Another boatload of asylum seekers arrives at Christmas Island
Anna Caldwell
AFP
July 15, 20128:53PM

UPDATE: A MERCHANT vessel has had to provide assistance to a new boat of asylum seekers north of Cocos Islands tonight as a second boatload arrived on Christmas Island.

The merchant vessel moved to help the boat, believed to be carrying 27 people, about 173 nautical miles north west of Cocos Islands, Australia's most westerly point of territory in the Indian Ocean.

The state of the asylum seeker boat is not known, but it follows a string of rescues.

The group is being transferred to the Cocos Islands, before they are taken to Christmas Island.

Meanwhile a group of 50 men and one boy are receiving medical checks on Christmas Island.

That group is believed to be Tamils, travelling from war-torn zones of Sri Lanka.

Sri Lankan authorities have arrested 131 would-be asylum seekers heading to Australia and seized a fishing trawler used for the people-smuggling operation.

The Sri Lankan navy detected the trawler off the island's eastern coast on Saturday and it was being escorted to the port of Trincomalee, 260 kilometres northeast of Colombo.

Pappa Smurf 15th Jul 2012 23:40

I can understand refugees coming from there own country--Sri Lanka etc,but via Indonesia is not on.
If i decided on a ship-jet holiday and flew to Indonesia on a one way ticket with the intention of catching a refugee boat back to Aus ,i wouldnt be allowed in ,in the first place.
If a refugee flees his country for safety,then he has succeeded ,even if its the country next door,so why is Australia the target.The money they pay to get on a leaky boat would make them wealthy in nearby countries.
BUT ,news gets back that Aus is such a generous place ,and gives you everything,even more than the residents.
So its a no-brainer really.

oldpax 16th Jul 2012 01:14

The truth
 
Actually the British government has a secret airline of surplus RAF transport planes that is for unemployed pilots and they are flying all our surplus illegal immigrants into Indonesia under a secret agreement between each country!!

allan907 16th Jul 2012 01:32

With the ALP/Greens bleeding hearts on this matter bending over backwards for those arriving by boat and jumping the queue does giving the red carpet treatment to those rich enough and able enough to afford this route fly in the face of the socialist principles of helping out the poor and disadvantaged?

Hmmm. Though so!

And how come, after all this time, and the dismantling of the Howard system, and the bleeding hearts of the faithful few on here, the ALP and Chris Bowen are now saying that offshore processing is "essential"


The Federal Immigration Minister Chris Bowen says Australia can't increase its humanitarian intake of refugees until a system of offshore processing for asylum seekers is reinstated.
Hoist by your own petard #2: Despite "rescuing" boats a mere 50 nm off the Indon coast and bringing them to Christmas Island Bowen says:


If you turn a boat back either in Australian waters or international waters, under international law they must be brought to the nearest port of call by the rescuing authority, which would be Australia.
my bolding.

It's astounding that a Cabinet Minister doesn't actually understand the concept of "nearest port" under International Law.

Clare Prop 16th Jul 2012 04:29

Remember that Ruddd set the precedent with the Oceanic Viking, all they have to do at the Indo port is refuse to disembark and hey presto, fast track to Australian residency.

So all that would achieve is that the ships were delayed for a few hours caving in to the emotional blackmail before they could rush off to pick up the next lot.

:mad::mad:

parabellum 16th Jul 2012 08:23



i wouldnt be allowed in ,in the first place
Unless you had the special, anywhere between $200 and $500 per head, 'Administration Fee', per person and payable in US$ please!

S

o all that would achieve is that the ships were delayed for a few hours caving
in to the emotional blackmail before they could rush off to pick up the next
lot.
Yes, if you let them onto a RAN ship, but if you can get them back to Indonesia on their own boat, without them deliberately sinking it first, you may have a chance, might need to put armed marines on board until the boat was handed over to Indonesian authorities..

Andu 16th Jul 2012 13:41

The Pickering Post


Election to trial electronic roll checks

The 2013 federal election will trial technology to electronically check voter enrolment, but it won't be rolled out across all seats.

Two years ago the federal parliament passed laws allowing electronic checking of the voter roll.

Electoral commissioner Ed Killesteyn told a parliamentary inquiry hearing in Canberra on Monday that despite the laws being in place the full system would not be up and running for the election likely in late 2013.

He said if the system was to operate it would require more than 45,000 electronic devices being rolled out at great cost to the government.

Then there was the practical issue of setting up a computer network that could automatically duplicate the electoral roll to a central point, he said.

A "modest number" of devices would be trialled for pre-polling voting, mobile polling stations and election-day polling booths for the 2013 election.

"There is a process of learning we need to go through," Mr Killesteyn said.

If an election was held before late 2013 the system would not be ready to be trialled, he said.

Electoral matters committee chairman, Labor MP Daryl Melham, said he doubted whether the system would be as good as the current manual checks.

"It will blow up in the face of the election in which it is conducted," Mr Melham said.

Mr Killesteyn also confirmed to the committee that changes to electoral law would continue to allow political parties to send out postal vote application material.

Liberal MP and committee member Bronwyn Bishop said the process was made unclear by the law changes.

The hearing continues.

Andu 16th Jul 2012 14:02

An even more interesting article from Larry Pickering: (well worth the read)

The Pickering Post

And more interesting than that:


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allan907 16th Jul 2012 15:10

Fascinating article Andu. I particularly liked

Gillard's former partner in this Bonny & Clyde type crime spree, now has to hide under a rock cooking meals for pensioners while she cavorts the World stage throwing money around that she doesn't have. He has reason to be angry.

Wilson was disposable, as were Rudd, McClelland and Wilkie, in her attempt to hold power. Wilson says Gillard is equally culpable but he can't expose her without further incriminating himself.
One does wonder whether events on this and previous threads where individuals have been banned and threads shut down because of "interference" by some were not part and parcel of the attempts by Sussex St to stifle criticism of this current rabble. But I suppose that's drawing a long bow - isn't it???

Fubaar 16th Jul 2012 23:23

Just announced on the radio - two more boats today. They'll be publishing a timetable next.

---

I liked

Electoral matters committee chairman, Labor MP Daryl Melham, said he doubted whether the system would be as good as the current manual checks.
I wonder what defines "as good"? Could it be "not as good = more difficult to fiddle"?

eagle 86 17th Jul 2012 01:45

I notice in the latest news juliar is still blaming Abbott for her failed illegal immigrant program and hopes that the solutions found by her committee led by my old mate the helicopter pilot will sort out the problem. Unfortunately my experience on such committees shows me that they already have the solution - given to them by juliar in their terms of reference - and all they have to do is come up with is the arguments to support the conclusions. At a ministerial level this government does not have the guts to blame the real culprits blocking a solution - the greens.
GAGS
E86

Fubaar 17th Jul 2012 02:26

I have to agree, eagle. I don't think Angus will come up with anything that will rock the boat enough to spill the gin and tonics on the poop deck. He's too much the politician to do that.

allan907 17th Jul 2012 03:33

If he comes up with anything that contradicts the government's line then Angus is a dead man. So don't hold your breath.

He doesn't want to be known as the man who finally brought down this corrupt incompetent government - and in any case with the public love-in between him and Jooliar why would he want to?

Saltie 17th Jul 2012 04:16


He doesn't want to be known as the man who finally brought down this corrupt incompetent government
If I found myself in his unique position, I'd jump at the chance. If he did it, he wouldn't have to buy a beer at a RAAF reunion for the rest of his life. And maybe the Libs would give him the GG slot eventually rather than this sorry lot.

Solid Rust Twotter 17th Jul 2012 06:47


...He doesn't want to be known as the man who finally brought down this corrupt incompetent government - and in any case with the public love-in between him and Jooliar why would he want to?
To demonstrate ownership of a spine?

SOPS 17th Jul 2012 07:25

To show he actually has a few brain cells to rub together??


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