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chuboy 5th Sep 2013 07:12

Sarcasm, I hope!

If I want to protect my children from porn on the internet I'll do it the way I want. I don't need someone from the government deciding what my children should and shouldn't see, and I don't see why we need to pay someone to do that job.

Not to mention that, like all things related to technology and censorship, this will almost certainly be straightforward to circumvent. (Never underestimate the will of a computer-savvy teenage boy!)

Plus there's always the old "slippery slope" when it comes to the government controlling what we're allowed to see...

500N 5th Sep 2013 07:16

Yes, Sarcasm :O

I think I forgot to add the :O or :O to my post.

I agree with all you said but especially this bit. Once it's installed ........

Plus there's always the old "slippery slope" when it comes to the government controlling what we're allowed to see...

Worrals in the wilds 5th Sep 2013 07:46

The better (not perfect) method of regulating the internet is to put the main computer in full view in the living room and have a smart phone lineup and roll call on the kitchen counter every evening. Of course that's probably a human rights infringement :}, and hampers any covert adult porn access too...:suspect: one rule for all, of course. :E

I don't envy today's teenagers with their constant social media access. Bullying sucked enough in the days when at least it stopped at your front door :sad:. I think it's a greater concern than porn and car accident pics, which get samey after a while. Anyway, I guess they'll work it out.

I'll be able to report on the mood in the National Capital over the following week.
I heard a report this morning that 2 million early votes have been cast so far.
What's that; around 20%?
Awesome! You are expected to file regular reports. :ok:

I'm glad there's a high early voter turnout, because I think it means people who'll be away have bothered to vote rather than use the excuse to skive off. It probably doesn't bode well for the government (my guess is that people tend to turn out voluntarily because they're annoyed) but it's a good sign of political engagement.

Andu 5th Sep 2013 08:14

I agree with your last paragraph, Worrals. If you discount the dishonest who plan to vote often (hopefully a very, very small number in the overall scheme of things), the vast majority of those who've made the effort to vote early have done so because they are very keen to vote, and the reason most people can't wait to vote is not to maintain the status quo, but to effect change.

I'm not being flippant when I say that I honestly think there will be a considerable spike in champagne sales over the weekend.

However, having said that, a close family member, almost a parody of the inner city latte Leftie, is attending an election party on Saturday night where she tells me she expects everyone there - like souls to a (wo)man - to be figuratively slashing their wrists in despondency and downing muchoalcohol to lessen the collective pain as they face the horror of the unthinkable - an Abbott government.

So the grog sales might spike among the True Believers as well, if for very different reasons.

500N 5th Sep 2013 08:20


So your close rel is going to a modern version of Don's Party ?

Worrals in the wilds 5th Sep 2013 09:26

Swings and roundabouts. The same thing happened in 2007 and will doubtlessly happen again. Election night must be a bottlo owner's delight! That said, it won't be the same without the Tally Room. I know it's been artificial the last few years, but it added a sense of occasion.

Gotta say; I'm glad Election Night is still a bit of a party (pun intended ;)). It demonstrates that people still take the process seriously. Of course that's using the Aussie method of drinking to excess, shouting at the telly and accusing the opposite team of fouls and/or bribing the ref, but that still counts as serious. :E

Shameless repost/rework, but I think that the old Courier Mail 2012 state election drinking game is still a goer, albeit with federal modifications...
Drink a shot every time;
- Barnaby Joyce's face goes redder than usual.

- A LNP politician refers to the Labor Party as 'old', 'tired' or forgets about Rob Borbidge. Two drinks if Rob Borbidge forgets about Rob Borbidge. [insert Macolm Fraser here].

- Anybody at your party suggests flipping over to Big Bogan, sorry, Brother.

- A panellist loses their own seat. Two drinks if they cry.

- Antony Green becomes incomprehensible in explaining the voting system. Drink until you can understand him again.

- Graham Richardson says something that makes you wonder what side he's on.

-Bob Hawke and John Howard get wheeled out in large jars of formaldehyde to tell us (via snorkel) what's Best for Australia. Their dear wives wave from beside the bottles.

- Bob Katter laments the inconvenience of not being able to boil a billy wherever you want. Two drinks if he discharges a firearm.

- Unlimited shots from a bottle of Burnett Club special Bundaberg Rum if the people of Kennedy decide they don't like Labor preference deals (or locals who gad about in Canberra rather than plugging away in pluggers Back Home) and turf him out of his seat. The Liberal shiela doesn't look too bad...:hmm:

- Clive Palmer announces that he's suing someone. No reason required, he's Clive and that's what Clive does...

Recipe suggestions for snacks include chicken wings, separated by the butcher into left and right wings for each group of supporters, and grapes, the sourer the better (for when your preferred candidate loses).

Anyway, wherever you are in Terra Australis Incognita (cos no-one's figured us out yet :E) may you have a happy, opinionated, rowdy and above all Free election night. :ok: Long may they last and may the bickering never be silenced.

SOPS 5th Sep 2013 13:50

Just listening to an interesting interview on the BBC via News Radio. They interviewed a group of AS in detention in Jakarta, some had been there for over a year. They nearly all admitted to having flown to Jakarta to try and find a boat to Australia. (As an aside, the PNG situation did seem to have a few of them concerned). Anyway, my main thought was, why don't these people just fly all the way to Australia, and skip the sinking boat part...not that I am suggesting I want them all hopping on the next flight out. But I just figured I must be missing something, what is the reason for the boat journey, if, as we have all know, the have been flying most of the journey in the first place.

sisemen 5th Sep 2013 20:25

Having had 3days away the web 'cos of flying/Dubai/flying and finally pitching up in the UK I can faithfully report that the momentous political events in Oz have rated not one mention in the international media.

Important? Us?? Nah.

500N 5th Sep 2013 20:26

One more day !!!!!


Andu 5th Sep 2013 22:35

SOPS, you can't get on a flight to Oz without a visa. If you somehow manage to, or destroy or lose your passport, the airline is heavily fined and you're put on the next flight out on that same airline without papers.

Torn up passports blocking toilets in incoming airliners used to be a near daily event until the rules changed about 10 to 15 years ago. (Speak to any engineer who was involved at the time and stand by for a diatribe of choice invective.)

Another racket, and favoured as a way of making a little pocket money by relatively wealthy young Arabs from the Gulf States, was for six or so to apply for tourist visas to Oz, then only one would travel, accompanied by five or so (usually) Somalis travelling on the other five Gulf States citizens' passports. (Somalia was the source of most asylum seekers from that region at the time.) All the lads would board wearing traditional Arab dress, including throbe and gutra, (head dress and fan belt), which makes damn near everyone look like everyone else, and I wouldn't be surprised if the outgoing Immigration officer, probably a cousin, didn't have his hand greased as well. There was no security check at the departure lounge in those days.

I believe the price per head then was $3000 over and above the airfare. The one genuine passport holder would collect the other passports on the last sector into Oz and be among the first of the pax through Immigration and be long gone before the other five would claim asylum with no paperwork.

The Australians put a stop to that racket by stationing Immigration Officers in the major Middle East departure airports and security checks, where passports and faces were matched at the departure gate, made it more difficult for someone to travel on someone else's passport.

The large fines and the loss of a revenue seat on the outgoing flight also tended to concentrate the airlines' minds.

In short, the only reason they don't fly in -for one tenth the price of a boat ride - is because one cursory glance at their passports would prove that they're in no way genuine refugees and they know they'd be put straight back on the next flight out.

Question answered?

500N 5th Sep 2013 23:06

I see the Age has come out on the Front Page and said VOTE LABOR !!!

SOPS 5th Sep 2013 23:06

Thanks Andu..I should have engaged my brain a bit more and thought it through:ok:

Captain Dart 5th Sep 2013 23:43

Only one more 'sleep'!

Labor heading for loss: Galaxy Poll

7x7 6th Sep 2013 01:12

I see the Age has come out on the Front Page and said VOTE LABOR !!!
However, many will be surprised to see that The Sydney Morning Herald has come out with the opposite message. That will have caused a few spilled coffees in Sydney's inner west this morning, and, I suspect, more than a few outraged letters to the editor.

500N 6th Sep 2013 01:21


I reckon Inner Sydney would have choked on their Cornflakes :O

I didn't realise they had gone a different direction.


I wonder what the Brisbane Times said :O

chuboy 6th Sep 2013 01:28

Brisbane Times is online only these days, so you can see for yourself. No advocacy one way or the other although the internet filter gaffe has two stories at the top of the home page.

500N 6th Sep 2013 01:33

Yes, was just reading it.

What is the major PRINTED daily newspaper in Brisbane nowadays ?

Courier Mail ?

7x7 6th Sep 2013 01:44


No Cookies | The Courier-Mail

KEVIN Rudd has been accused of using phony endorsements in the campaign material designed to help him save his own seat.

A glossy flyer handed out in his electorate features endorsements from constituents declaring "that's why we're voting for him".

But some of those featured say they never said such a thing.

Paulla Millar is quoted in the brochure saying she backs Mr Rudd and will vote for him. But Mrs Millar doesn't back Mr Rudd and couldn't vote for him anyway - she's a New Zealander.

They have put out something that is untrue and now they have egg on their faces,'' Mrs Millar said.

Mrs Millar had only visited Mr Rudd's office to find out about becoming a citizen. She is quoted in the pamphlet as saying, "Kevin has always stood up for us. That's why we're voting for him." She said the quote was a fabrication.

Mrs Millar was also quoted as describing Kevin as "genuine person" and she "believed the things he said".

Now she's not so sure. She said the comments were taken out of context and her name misspelled.

Mrs Millar said she wasn't politically aligned. "I sit on the fence,'' she said.

Two other people featured in the brochure - Robert Chester-Master and Ann Boon - said they kept their voting intentions private.

Mr Chester-Master, a World War II veteran, said although his words praising Mr Rudd's support of the Griffith Australia Day Awards were accurate, his voting intentions were never canvassed: "That's my personal business."

I received a similar stuffer from my local oxygen thief. I wonder how many of his testimonials were as fake?

TWT 6th Sep 2013 01:48

Since most of the country will attend a polling booth tomorrow,I had this thought that it would be nice to get an extra piece of paper with a yes/no response.

"Do you support Australia joining the coalition of US-led military forces if there is a decision to launch strikes on Syria ?"

Just so that whoever wins tomorrow can be left in no doubt as to the feelings of the electorate.

chuboy 6th Sep 2013 02:18

Originally Posted by 500N (Post 8033230)
Yes, was just reading it.

What is the major PRINTED daily newspaper in Brisbane nowadays ?

Courier Mail ?

The Courier Mail is the only daily paper for Brisbane, although you can of course get copies of the SMH, Australian, et al from interstate. So I suppose it is the major paper by default? :hmm:

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