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CoodaShooda 1st Sep 2013 23:12

AM this morning was reporting from Kevni's electorate.

About 80% of those interviewed on the street were anti-Kev; including an apparently high proportion who claimed to be life-long labor voters, "but not this time".

chuboy 2nd Sep 2013 00:24

This is election is shaping up to bear a striking similarity to the QLD govt elections last year. Can only hope it doesn't wind up the same way in terms of ruthless slash and burn for its own sake.

500N 2nd Sep 2013 00:34

Rudd is getting desperate.
Listen to your instincts': Rudd's plea


PM appeals to wavering voters who have

doubts about voting for Tony Abbott"

sisemen 2nd Sep 2013 01:14

They always say that the polls tighten just before the election. They appear to be correct. It's like the noose tightening around Labor's neck! The Australian newspoll has Abbott now leading Krudd as preferred PM and the ALP margin dropping to below the levels that Gillard had in March.

Andu 2nd Sep 2013 01:26

I think that the reason we're not seeing too many Labor luminaries in public at the moment is because they're all beavering away on their laptops trying to be first to get the book deal on the 'tell all' exposes each and every one of them is writing. They'll all be self-serving in the extreme - and horribly inaccurate - but one common thread I'd be very surprised not to find in damn near all of them will be a merciless - and well-deserved - lambasting of Kevin Rudd.

I read the letter Michael Smith has sent to the Chancellor of Adelaide University. To call it 'interesting' would be an understatement. It remains to be seen how rusted-on a True Leftie the Chancellor is as to whether he'll bin it. My guess is that 99% of academia is so far up its own collective huggy fluff arse he'll ignore it, believing with all his heart that such accusations could never be true - or that he'll later claim he never received the letter.

500N 2nd Sep 2013 01:43

Oh yes, I don't think history will be kind to Rudd.

I'll even go as far as saying that I think Gillard will be written up in a better light,
solely because she had to contend with Rudd destabilizing her PM ship.

Andu 2nd Sep 2013 01:57

My daughter said to me yesterday that Gillard was "handed a poisoned chalice". I replied that a better description was that she had all too eagerly snatched and stolen said poisoned chalice.

It will be interesting if some Labor insider ever publishes all the details of what Rudd got up to in poisoning JEG's chalice during his time in the political wilderness. I suspect that if all the details ever do come to light, even the Labor true believers will be somewhat disenchanted by Kevni.

Am I the only one who'll be breaking a self-imposed rule on Saturday night? I am allowing myself to make an exception - I will not switch channels when Kevni comes on screen to make his concession speech. I know it will be thickly laced with unpronounceable words and unintelligible, overly complex phrases, maybe even with a few tears thrown in; I know it will be self-serving and a hopeless attempt to re-write history; but at the end, one way or another, he'll have to say that magic phrase...

...and now folks, I've gotta zip.

rh200 2nd Sep 2013 03:43

I don't know but watching Rudd and co yesterday saying things can be bought back and they still have a chance is starting to remind me of Baghdad Bob in the closing days of the Iraqi war.:p

sisemen 2nd Sep 2013 03:49

That was the impression that I got when watching him at the Labor launch. "We ain't defeated. We can do this!" - yeah, six more days. What makes him think he can do in 6 days to undo the damage of the previous 6 years?

parabellum 2nd Sep 2013 05:00


I replied that a better description was that she had all too eagerly snatched and stolen said poisoned chalice.
whilst at the same time inserting all four trotters very firmly in the trough, at the deep end.

Ovation 2nd Sep 2013 08:24


Am I the only one who'll be breaking a self-imposed rule on Saturday night? I am allowing myself to make an exception - I will not switch channels when Kevni comes on screen to make his concession speech.
The pain of listening to Rudd concede the ALP has lost in a landslide will be overtaken by an exquisite feeling of self satisfaction knowing that the most inept government in my lifetime has been defeated.

:D:D:D:D:D

500N 2nd Sep 2013 08:28

I saw the Poll results tonight on the news.

They showed a graph of Rudd's Preferred PM status,
now over taken by, of all people, Abbott !!!

Can you believe, the guy no one liked now preferred PM ?????

The other numbers did not look good for Rudd either.

About the only number looking as it might help Rudd is
the percentage of undecided voters - or as I say those who
are still coming to grips with possibly having to vote for Abbott !

SOPS 2nd Sep 2013 08:48

I am airborne as I type this, heading home....and looking forward to two things. Taking my disabled son to vote in his first Federal election, and explaining to him on the day how the Greens think all boat people should have a house, but he can't get one, unless I buy it for him...and

watching Rudd and the rest of his trough swilling mates in defeat.....:ok:

Buster Hyman 2nd Sep 2013 08:51


Oh yes, I don't think history will be kind to Rudd.
Well, I don't know about that...there are many that still revere Whitlam! I'm sure it won't be long until we hear stories lamenting "Australia's loss" when Rudd was removed too early...

Takan Inchovit 2nd Sep 2013 09:04

Perhaps kevvys last concession will be .... " "But the bottom line is, the measures, at the end of the day, were not sufficient, and let's just be frank about that." :p

heated ice detector 2nd Sep 2013 11:05

Five days left and I am getting seriously worried, I really thought that Abbott would of made a giant clanger by now and showed the people his true credentials,

CoodaShooda 2nd Sep 2013 11:18

Perhaps he is showing his true credentials........and surprising a lot of us.

(Actually, I think it's because labor has tried so hard to rubbish him in such an over the top manner that they've created a public image of him that makes the dubious reality look good by comparison.)

Worrals in the wilds 2nd Sep 2013 11:18


It will be interesting if some Labor insider ever publishes all the details of what Rudd got up to in poisoning JEG's chalice during his time in the political wilderness. I suspect that if all the details ever do come to light, even the Labor true believers will be somewhat disenchanted by Kevni.
They may not publish but the stories will be out there... They're already cutting him loose. In a way though, this is the King Lear moment that had to happen. Until Rudd gets flogged at the polls he will be an albatross around the neck of the ALP; the non-faction dirker who 'can't remember' what union he was in. :suspect: The ALP went along with his BS while it was winning support, but see how they turn come Saturday... Just my hunch. :E

It's not like he was ever loyal or likeable to start with. I think he'll find that the heavies are as fair weather friends as he was to them. Once he's no use to them they'll deal with him as only the labour movement can :ouch:. No room for losers, particularly losers with no friends. That's when you need mates, and who's a mate now? Even Shorten and Wong have all but cut him free. The machine has a loose cog, and its name is Rudd. :uhoh:

There's no way the Labor Party can regroup under his lead. The standout quality (if you can call it that, but I do) amongst most good Labor people is their dedication to the movement and the party. In hindsight I don't think Rudd has ever displayed that, because he doesn't believe in it. He believes in the Rudd, and the movement was just a handy catalyst to get the Rudd out there. Now it's crashing down and he's taking them with him.

Of course they deserve everything they get, because they let him run. They let him pick and choose Ministers (which Gillard continued), they let him carry on and poonce around because they mistakenly believed he was popular. He was for a while, but you can't run a country on populist sound bites. Maybe Albo's still trotting along, but IMO he's never been a serious contender. Everyone else is making like Elmer Fudd; being vewwy vewwy quiet.

In many ways Gillard was as bad, but when they gave her the nod she stepped away without backstabbing and shit stirring. For all that she was a dreadful PM (and she was), at the endgame she was a loyal Labor Party member and behaved accordingly. Rudd? He's a loyal Ruddster. Nothing more.

One thing's for sure; between Swan, Beattie and Rudd the next time the federal ALP trusts a Queensland pollie I'll be agitating for seniors' rights. It hasn't worked out well.

7x7 2nd Sep 2013 11:18

HID, that's exactly what Kevni and all you True Believers have been - and still are - hoping for for over a year now.

Still five days to go. Watch this space for some absolutely damning 'revelation' about Abbott just hours before the electronic media blackout comes into effect. What'll that be? Tuesday or Wednesday?

7x7 2nd Sep 2013 11:48

From Larry Pickering's site:


The Washington Times reported today that a senior United Nations diplomat said testimony from gassed victims strongly suggests it was the rebels, not the Syrian government, that used Sarin nerve gas during a recent incident in the revolution-racked nation.

Carla del Ponte, a member of the U.N. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria, told Swiss TV there were “strong, concrete suspicions, but not yet incontrovertible proof,” that rebels seeking to oust Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad had used the nerve agent


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