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parabellum 22nd Apr 2012 22:34


I wish her majesty would become unsatisfied
Great idea! Then HMQ can help herself to the mining revenues to bail out little ol' UK and tell Julia to poke off!:ok:

rh200 22nd Apr 2012 22:40


Great idea! Then HMQ can help herself to the mining revenues to bail out little ol' UK and tell Julia to poke off
Mum robbing us blind or fellow siblings, whats the difference:p

sisemen 23rd Apr 2012 00:17


One Government source said the Australian Federal Police needed a referral from the Department of Finance to probe the taxi vouchers case, and that would probably not be forthcoming.
my bold.

This is a government that has no ethics, integrity or honour left. :yuk: I am surprised that there is anyone left willing to defend them.

Clare Prop 23rd Apr 2012 01:37

And while all this is going on conveniently distracting the proles, THIS slips under the radar.

Australia gives $7b to Europe bailout fund

Seven BILLION (borrowed) bucks.....????????????!!!!!!!!!!!! I understand the UK gave just 20 million quid!:mad::mad:

sisemen 23rd Apr 2012 02:03

I don't mind hammering this bunch of incompetent turds when it is warranted but your facts might be a bit out there Clare.


Other countries contributing to the fund include Singapore ($4 billion), South Korea ($15 billion) and the United Kingdom ($15 billion) .

Clare Prop 23rd Apr 2012 02:38

Well there you go I was just saying what I heard from a friend in the UK, thank you for correcting that.

Even so, why are we throwing 7 billion in the pot? Is this included before the sums for Duck's "surplus"? Would the Eurozone bail us out? I thought China etc were our trading partners, or are they just the ones extending the never ending line of credit? Why am I trying to make sese out of anything this lot do? :confused: :ugh:

Lex Talionis 23rd Apr 2012 03:01


Great idea! Then HMQ can help herself to the mining revenues to bail out little ol' UK and tell Julia to poke off
If that was to happen the supporters of Australia as a Republic would not believe their luck and I doubt that HM would be as naive to even consider it.

Back to the matter of Mr Slipper and there seems to be a certain double standards shown here by some.

Although I have always believed that everyone is innocent until proven guilty it looks like this has been going on for years even as far back as 2003.If this is correct and the then leader of the Liberal party was aware then how is this a problem for only the current Prime Minister?

If this story is true then it looks to be as though the inherent problem is one of indifference or political expediency at best.

When the facts come out and if he is found guilty of any improper acts or behaviour I think the question has to be asked why nothing was done about it in 2003.

One Government source said the Australian Federal Police needed a referral from the Department of Finance to probe the taxi vouchers case, and that would probably not be forthcoming.

Before the rest of the evidence that Liberal HQ has got on him is revealed.
Sisemen,I think that if the Liberal party has 'anything' on Mr Slipper then they are as duty bound as anyone else to notify the AFP or would that raise some questions as to why they have not done so already.:hmm:

Worrals in the wilds 23rd Apr 2012 04:03

Did the Libs have evidence of rorting though? I may have read it wrong but I thought the stuff they knew was related to his rather tawdry personal life.

If they did have reason to believe he was running rackets and were still happy to accept him as an MP without investigating them, then I agree with you.

When he defected, a die hard Lib I know laughed his arse off and said 'great, now he's their problem', which was rather prophetic...

Lex Talionis 23rd Apr 2012 04:51

Worrals,

I had just read several articles before I made my comments.
The question is how long has this been going on if true?

The other article was about allegations of complaints made to one of John Howards senior advisors regarding improper behaviour and those complaints not being acted on.

Like all of us he is entitled to a fair and unbiased investigation and until then he is innocent.

However,If substantiated I would think that his time in parliament is at an end and both sides of parliament will wash their hands of this matter.

CoodaShooda 23rd Apr 2012 04:53

Lex

I think its not a problem for the last Liberal PM because little Johnny's no longer around and is no longer relevant to our future.

I also think the coalition will attract a bit of collateral damage through having allowed him into Parliament in the first place - but they were moving to ditch him when Gillard threw him a lifeline and that is where most attention is now focussed.

The story is already evolving into a criticism of Gillard's judgement and labor's morals.

Any criticism of the Libs failure to ditch him(Slipper) earlier than they did can only reflect on labor's decision to draft him.

I also think that brand Slipper is now so on the nose that, even if he is cleared by all inquiries, his return to the Speaker's Chair can only serve to further erode labor's position.

Worrals in the wilds 23rd Apr 2012 05:08

Thanks for the link Lex. I'd forgotten the Libs were talking about punting him.

Lex Talionis 23rd Apr 2012 05:10

Cooda,
If he was doing the things that are alleged and he was doing it when he was a Liberal as far back as 2003 and they knew about it then they are tarred with the same brush and any other suggestion is nothing more than political expediency.

I think its not a problem for the last Liberal PM because little Johnny's no longer around and is no longer relevant to our future.
Who do we know in the current opposition held a position in the Howard government?

but they were moving to ditch him when Gillard threw him a lifeline
3 points,They didn't ditch him as he jumped ship first I believe and can you prove that they were about to and even if so why did it take them so long when allegedly he was doing these things since 2003?

9 years is a very long time to get around to something.

Mr Abbott seems to be supporting my thoughts with this statement by him regarding the independents.

"Were they happy with the way the prime minister installed someone who had big question marks over him late last year as the Speaker?
If there were 'BIG QUESTION MARKS' over Mr Slipper last year then why had Mr Abbott not acted himself?

I get the idea that there are a lot of skeletons in more than a few cupboards in Canberra and there always will be.

CoodaShooda 23rd Apr 2012 05:52

Lex

I'd be surprised if there were any closets in Canberra that did not contain skeletons.

My understanding is that they had withdrawn Slipper's endorsement for the next election.

Certainly, allowing someone like Slipper to remain a member is a good reason not to vote liberal (but I won't vote liberal regardless :E).

However, I am simply commenting on the current brouhaha, which is essentially another Gillard own goal.

Saying that Howard (or Abbott) should have gotten rid of him before she had the chance to promote him, does not really cut it as a defence.

Simply tars both sides with the same brush (which is a position I have held for a long time. :p)

Ovation 23rd Apr 2012 05:53

Slipper has been a controversial MP for most of his career, and it really doesn't matter whose tepee he's sitting in, his ethics and morals have always been questionable. The Liberals knew it and were moving to dis-endorse him before he could inflict any electoral damage, and why they tolerated him for so long escapes me.

I would guess most parties try to avoid scandals and keep certain events under wraps, and the ALP might recall (or want to forget) people like Orkopolous and Collins, and I wonder whether Craig Emerson and Julia Gillard feel embarrassed when together in public (ex lovers).

But here's the point - Labor knew about Slipper and his baggage as well, but Gillard et al painted themselves into a corner with the poker machine legislation to get Wilkie on board and form a minority government, but then found they were facing certain electoral defeat because the NSW clubs campaigned quite successfully and it began to show up in the polling.

So in desperation, they decided that the Clubs were a far bigger threat than Andrew Wilkie, and the only way to replace his vote was the shabby removal of Jenkins from the Speaker's role (+ one vote for Labor) replaced with Peter Slipper (- one vote for the Liberals).

So now their pigeons have come home to roost big time, and not only have I no sympathy for the ALP and the mess they've inflicted upon themselves, quite frankly I'm rather delighted as they absolutely deserve it, but at the same time disappointed because these clowns are running (or ruining) this great country.

And for those might disagree, there's a huge gulf between being a back-bencher who's into bears and twinkies and the odd CabCharge rort, to becoming Speaker of the House of Representatives who has perhaps more power than the PM.

As someone mentioned in the press, Julia should stop campaigning for the Liberals. :ok:

parabellum 23rd Apr 2012 06:48


If that was to happen the supporters of Australia as a Republic would not
believe their luck and I doubt that HM would be as naive to even consider it.
'twas only a joke Lex, only a joke!

Until we know, (if ever), just what the Coalition know about Slipper and have known for some time we can't really judge, can we? Strange though it may seem being a pervert doesn't bar him from being Speaker, being a common thief does!

sisemen 23rd Apr 2012 08:57

As has been pointed out...while the Libs were undoubtedly slow in dealing with Slipper they were at least dealing with it by de-selecting him.

Gillard and Labor, when they offered him the lifeline, were well aware of all the problems that came with him.

So, however, you spin it Lex, it is an inescapable fact that this is a gigantic problem of Gillard's own making. And by his closing comment of "He's not my man. He's the Prime Minister's man now. She's the one who has to defend him. Let's wait and see how this all unfolds", Tony Abbot showed a much greater degree of perspicacity than Gillard who was trying to be too clever for her own good.

Pointing out Slipper's problems when he was a Liberal merely intensifies the focus on the cack-handed way in which Gillard operates.

The net result is a further downgrading of Gillard's standing with the Australian community. She's a lost cause.

Worrals in the wilds 23rd Apr 2012 10:31


And for those might disagree, there's a huge gulf between being a back-bencher who's into bears and twinkies and the odd CabCharge rort, to becoming Speaker of the House of Representatives who has perhaps more power than the PM.
Agreed. It would be nice to think that every Parliament in Australia is filled with fine upstanding people, but realistically that's never going to be the case. I have no problem with guys who are into bears and twinkies, but it's unbecoming to be married at the same time. :uhoh:

The Speaker position is supposed to be held by someone who is above reproach, and fortunately most of the time that's the case (whatever side of politics they come from).

Slipper was smelly before he defected. Taking him as a backbencher is one thing, but Speaker? Speakers aren't supposed to be smelly. They're supposed to be even more above board than the PM / Leader of the Opposition. Surely there are enough decent Labor MPs (like...the former Speaker :ugh:) without having to resort to a dude with a Reputation.

It had grotty deal and 'get him at all costs, whatever he asks' written all over it. Another example of the 0% integrity we have all come to expect from the Gillard government. It wasn't even smart from a Machiavellian perspective; it sounds like even the Canberra dogs were barking that Slipper was a bit high risk for such a prominent position that demands a boringly, squeaky clean person who thinks watching Underbelly is pretty hard core, high risk behaviour :}.

The Libs certainly aren't blameless in the Slipper thing (far from it) and they'd be dumb to pretend otherwise, but it wasn't them who gave him the position.

Andu 23rd Apr 2012 13:05

Given that it's a given for most disinterested observers that you don't get a job teaching political science in 99% of Australian universities if your politics aren't clearly Left-leaning, it will be interesting in the extreme to see over the next few decades how academics teaching our upcoming generations about Australian politics handle what I'll call 'the Gillard years' in their lectures and courses.

My one earnest hope is that the period that will be the 'Gillard years' does not prove to be any longer than the first similarly disastrous epoch in Australian politics in my living memory, the Whitlam years. Like many others, I'm embarrassed in the extreme to think that Ms Gillard will be standing at Anzac Cove as the official representative of my country this April 25th coming out with platitudes carefully constructed by her speech writers after carefully consulting their latest focus group. We can but hope that she'll do one better than Bill Hayden when held that role (while GG) and turn up in time for the dawn service. (Hayden turned up for the Gallipoli dawn service a half an hour after sun up.)

MattGray 23rd Apr 2012 14:54

Dishonouring all those who served by dragging out the dead Diggers of Gallipoli to score cheap political points has to be about as low as this or any other thread can possibly sink.

A bridge waaaay too far!

I'm embarrassed in the extreme to think that Ms Gillard will be standing at Anzac Cove as the official representative of my country this April 25th coming out with platitudes carefully constructed by her speech writers after carefully consulting their latest focus group.

sisemen 23rd Apr 2012 15:47

Letting that woman out of her home State was a A bridge waaaay too far! let alone letting her out of Australia as our representative at anything :yuk:


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