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sisemen 22nd Apr 2012 00:02

If that doesn't increase the perception of shambolic desperation surrounding this government, I don't know what could.
How can you increase something that's already at 100%? :E

Slipper certainly looked as thought the game was up and that he was in a whole world of pain when he arrived at the airport.

Mind you, he was probably thinking of the "quiet word" that he was about to have with the missus rather than the humiliation and sacking that he's not going to have to endure at the hands of Gillard.

Buster Hyman 22nd Apr 2012 00:07

Maybe Slipper could pay this guy off with Thomson's credit card?

Ovation 22nd Apr 2012 01:00

A cut and paste from a contribution by "Alex of Tasmania" in Piers Ackerman's blog.

I would find it difficult to argue with his point of view.

Christ. Where to start?

About 18 months ago I started a blog. I started it with the deliberate intention of honing my ability to make people laugh. Serious commentary was out. Whatever subject I wrote about had to have the pi** well and truly taken out of it.

For quite a while I had fun taking pot shots at Rudd, Swan, Gillard, Faux Work Australia, the Greens. They were good targets because their incomptence was so breathtaking you couldnít miss the plethora of opportunities to have a laugh at their expense.

The thing is, I havenít been near the blog for months. Everytime I sat down to write something I just couldnít hit the right note. The reason I couldn't hit the right note is because it just isnít funny anymore.

Iíve had to watch this shambolic government trash everything it touches. It has reduced the standing of the Parliament; it has embarked on class war rhetoric designed to engender envy and resentment between Australians, to turn an essentially egalitarian society into one riven by class divisions based on income simply for base political purposes.

It has built its castle on foundations of lies, class warfare, contempt for the citizens it is supposed to help, denigration of any who disagree with it and abuse of any semblance of fair process simply to help mates onto the gravy train.

As an ex-journalist, I have sat and watched it deliberately set out to bastardize a craft I held very dear. It has legitimized corruption to the point where people are becoming so desensitized to such behavior I fear it will come to be seen as ďnormalĒ practice of government.

It isnít funny anymore. Iím starting to believe that taking the pi** out of this Government would somehow be akin to making jokes about Syrian civilians being shelled by their own Government.

It is all just too bloody depressing now.

Sigh. Ok, rant over. Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible.

Worrals in the wilds 22nd Apr 2012 01:51

Good points, Cooda and RJM.
I wonder how long they'll string out the 'inquiry'? Thomson's been under investigation longer than the Man in the Iron Mask, so what's the betting it will be the same with Slipper's alleged antics? :ugh:

As for Alex of Tassie, I'm starting to agree with him. They're getting too bad to be funny.

CoodaShooda 22nd Apr 2012 02:52

Alex's comment has gone into my "I wish I'd said that" file.

My very real concern is that they do know what they are doing and they are taking us somewhere we may not want to go. Certainly somewhere they do not have a mandate to go.

Makes me sound like a right wing conspiracy theorist, I know. But I can't help thinking that there's a bigger picture to all of this imbroglio - hidden within the spin and distraction.

Hopefully, time will prove me wrong.

Wiley 22nd Apr 2012 04:51

There's an age old truism that when it comes to deciding between conspiracy and incompetence, incompetence wins every time. However, the sheer scale of this (misnamed) government's incompetencies - (their only consistency in almost five years has been that they always get everything wrong) has led me to a similar conclusion to cooda's.

For some time now, (right from the start after the formation of the Gillard minority government in fact), I have not been able to understand why Julia Gillard doesn't call the Greens' bluff. Even the most uneducated political observer can see that the Greens don't need to be accommodated anywhere near to the degree that Gillard has done on a number of contentious, even damaging to Labor issues. The Watermelons are never going to walk out on Labor, because it's only with Labor in power that they have a degree of power themselves - (they've never going to form any alliance with the Libs).

The only answer I can come up with is that, even if she can never publicaly acknowledge it, Julia Gillard and her inner circle are quite happy with all the extreme stances her government has been "forced" to adopt to placate the Greens and that she and her inner circle are watermelons, perhaps of an even deeper beneath the skin hue, than the Greens.

hellsbrink 22nd Apr 2012 04:54

Wiley, they are socialists and there hasn't been a socialist in history who didn't want more power and more control over their populace than they need to.

Power is everything, control is all. It's the same across the world where these people are concerned.

Worrals in the wilds 22nd Apr 2012 06:32

The only answer I can come up with is that, even if she can never publicaly acknowledge it, Julia Gillard and her inner circle are quite happy with all the extreme stances her government has been "forced" to adopt to placate the Greens and that she and her inner circle are watermelons,
Agreed, Wiley, though I think it's indicative of incompetence rather than a planned conspiracy.

I think Jools and the gang (ie the senior Ministers) have been really happy with all the leftie stuff. I'm sure they think they're doing an awesome job and the rest of the country just doesn't 'understand' them. :yuk:

If there's a conspiracy (or good politicking) to be had I think it's been for the senior ALP Ministers to blame a lot of stuff on The Greens that Gillard and Co actually want themselves. The Greens are an easy target to direct hacked off Labor voters towards, because firstly it deflects criticism of the ALP (it's all the work of those nasty greenies) and secondly it reduces the likelihood of those same hacked off Labor voters voting Green rather than Labor. Painting The Greens as loons has several advantages for Gillard.

The fact that it makes the ALP look like a pack of spineless nancies doesn't seem to have been factored in, which is why IMO this will backfire spectacularly on both parties (but particularly the ALP) at the next election.

Anyway, that's my Sunday arvo crack at the Conspiracy game. :suspect::}

Either way though, why have the centre to right wing Labor brigade been so quiet? The day after Brown and HY started prancing around like they owned the joint The Greens should have been given the This Is How It Works 'talk' from the other side of the Party:eek:.

Is the whole Caucus made up of student lefties who never grew up, or are the moderate ALP MPs being less than proactive? It's been a while since I trawled through the list, I'll have to have a squizz and see who's who :8.

Either way, they're going to pay dearly at the ballot box. The Qld experience (admittedly Qld is not always indicative of the whole country), is that stringing it out only builds the anger and makes the backlash worse.

sisemen 22nd Apr 2012 07:04

Meanwhile back to the current cause celebre.....

The more I read about the Slipper fiasco the more I begin to smell very smelly dead rats.

He was on the nose with the Libs before his defection. I believe that was when the 'sting' was being set up - purely to get him to resign his seat so that there was no nasty and untoward press at that time. Enter a 'manufactured' introduction to the young bloke at a Liberal function; a young bloke who happened to be a paid up member of the Liberals.

However, he did defect so, no problem, let's adapt the plan a little. They know Slipper's pecadillos so the adapted plan should work a treat.

Within weeks of being made Speaker the young bloke finally accepts an invitation to become his "media advisor" and gives Slipper a bit of a come on (but nothing that can't be denied in court or the press) and Slipper goes for it big time. In the meantime he makes sure he makes some verbatim notes and keeps all the text messages.

The rest we know about.

The back room boys in the Liberal party must be rubbing their hands with glee knowing that all they had to do was provide the ammo and Slipper would not only point the gun at his own head the ricochet would also do a lot of damage (possibly fatal) to Gillard.

Pure fckuing genius :ok:

Andu 22nd Apr 2012 07:25

Let's hope we don't see a repeat of Godwin Grench here. Never put it past the Libs to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - they've done it so many times before.

RJM 22nd Apr 2012 07:41

You've mentioned this dark underlying conspiracy before, Wiley, and it has to be said that there's a loose fit, at least. Weaken, from the top, the prevailing conservative institutions - including parliament, incite the masses with notions of class envy, beef up the unions, and...

But I can't see it happening in Australia, not on those quasi-Marxist lines, even if Gillard is a Socialist at heart. For a start, she's surely trashing the ALP as well, meaning that a new vehicle to carry the Red flag will have to be found. Furthermore, our great generators of capital, the mines, are privately owned and not particularly labor intensive. There is no teeming proletariat. It might work somewhere else, but not here.

In my opinion, it really is a case of incompetence rather than conspiracy or malice. Too many Labor politicians and functionaries have no skill at their jobs. The petty squabbles and sly moves of student politics and union demarcation fights do not equip people for government. To this mismatch, we can add the unsteadying influence of the Greens, whose historically accidental power is presently being exerted on politics. Once we get politicians better versed in the real world, things will stabilise, and we'll feel 'relaxed and comfortable' once more.

NB Sisemen may have a point. The Libs may have struck Gillard's government at a weak poiint - Slipper's fly buttons. If so - it was a very clever move, and may take out two or even three with one bullet. The journalist from the Australian who broke the Slipper story claims to have a lot more to reveal.

sisemen 22nd Apr 2012 10:00

Slipper has stood himself down from the Speaker's job.

Gilliard hanging by a thread!

Takan Inchovit 22nd Apr 2012 10:16

a new vehicle to carry the Red flag will have to be found.
The greens have been doing a pretty good job of that lately.

sisemen 22nd Apr 2012 10:30

Wouldn't be surprised to hear Slipper announce his retirement from politics to "spend more time with his family". Before the rest of the evidence that Liberal HQ has got on him is revealed.

Seems a reasonable offer - resignation or prison and public disgrace and humiliation.


Worrals in the wilds 22nd Apr 2012 11:28

a new vehicle to carry the Red flag will have to be found.
How about a Tarago? There's eight seats in a Tarago...sorry, Queensland joke. :E

It might work somewhere else, but not here.
It would be massively unconstitutional. That hasn't stopped people in other places running rackets in the past, the present and probably the future http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...y_dog_eyes.gif, but it's still a bit of a stumbling block.

So let's say for argument's sake that the federal government decides to take control by force. What force? The ADF? I don't see them buying it for a nanosecond. Both modern and ancient history dictates that you can't stage a successful, sustainable coup without the support of the military.

Also, who's going to pay them with no revenue from NSW, QLD. Vic and WA?
These states currently have conservative governments and unless the conspiracy becomes massive enough to engulf the Liberal Party and its associated fruity cousins, it's impossible to imagine every state co-operating. The Commonwealth depends on the states for revenue, because it doesn't generate a huge amount on its own. If the Commonwealth government acts unconstitutionally, from memory, they don't have to pay. Or they won't. Same outcome.

Australia was the first country created by Act of Parliament. The words from the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act (current) are as follows;

It shall be lawful for the Queen, with the advice of the Privy Council, to declare by proclamation that, on and after a day therein appointed, not being later than one year after the passing of this Act, the people of New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Queensland, and Tasmania, and also, if Her Majesty is satisfied that the people of Western Australia have agreed thereto, of Western Australia, shall be united in a Federal Commonwealth under the name of the Commonwealth of Australia.

Australia is a federation of states, not the other way around. On the Australian continent the state governments are still the fundamental unit of government with their own constitutions. Many Australians believe that the federal government is the supreme government, but it isn't. The Commonwealth was created by an agreement of the states, not the other way around.

If the states don't want to play, then the Federal Government ceases to exist. Unless a Federal Government could talk all the states (or at least the major ones) into playing along, there's no deal. More importantly, there's no revenue. :E Six state referenda later; there's no Commonwealth of Australia, and that's without resorting to nasty riots and bomb throwing.

If you're talking force of arms, don't forget that the vast majority of police are employed by the states and could whomp the AFP in about ten minutes. IIRC, none of these police forces have ever fired live rounds on a mob. They might have got frisky with the battons and carted a few demonstrators off to the watch house, but that's a long way from supressing the populace with lethal force like some places have to put up with. In any case, those police are employed by the states, so the federal government couldn't even rely on police support, because they don't have all that many.

Apart from force of arms there's the implacable force of cardigans, computers and coffee cups; aka the Australian Public Service :\. No-one likes them much (particularly their own employees :ooh:) but can you see the 160,000 cardigan wearers of the APS copping a federal government takeover? I can't, and I used to be one. Unmotivated erks they may be, but that's a long way from supporting a coup, and it's not like any of them outside the upper echelons like the government much anyway.

The primary function of the APS is to collect and distribute revenue for the Commonwealth. Without the Tax Office, Customs and Border Protection, Aussie Post, Airservices and all the rest of them there isn't any direct income for the federal government. Without that, there isn't anything for Centrelink to distribute, so don't count on the feral masses to support this theoretical takeover. :E

In short, I don't see how the logistics would work. I think they'd give it an Aussie go if they thought they could get away with it (I'd believe anything of the current mob because they're truly frightening :eek:) but I simply don't think they're capable of it. They can't even run an insulation batt scheme properly. :ugh:

Andu 22nd Apr 2012 11:55

There is no teeming proletariat. It might work somewhere else, but not here.
I think that Labor (or the Gillard inner circle, to use a term that's been used by others here before me) isn't looking at anything even remotely approaching the Russian Revolution by stirring "the masses" to rise. However, I do think they're attempting a uniquely Australian version of something that they imagine will result in a similar outcome - the creation of as large as they can make it "rump" of people (aka voters) who are wholly or largely dependant for their continuing survival upon Government handouts. In Labor/Gillard's eyes, this "rump" can be assured to always vote Labor, because most will see (and if they don't, they'll be told, repeatedly, in Labor propaganda - sorry, advertising) - that if the Libs ever get into power, the government-supplied gravy train will be derailed.

The so called carbon tax is a clear case in point - Labor assures "the poor" (whoever they are) that they will receive more benefits from the tax than they will lose - from a tax that will be imposed "only on the rich", in this particular case, the as yet unnamed "500 top carbon emitting companies".

They are relying upon a combination of the entitlement mentality created by the Whitlam government (and fostered and improved upon by every succeeding Federal government - of both political persuasions - to some degree, since then) and greed, along with a healthy dose of stupidity.

I say stupidity because anyone who thinks a government can take 'n' million dollars from one section of the economy, (the top 500 "polluters"), "administer" it with a horde of well paid, empire-building public servants who produce nothing but cost, delay reduced efficiencies and more red tape, and then return anything more than 70% of it - if not substantially less - back into that same economy as handouts (under whatever guise you label it) is imbecilic.

Their border protection (!) policy is another case in point - manufacturing a quick delivery power base of already 18 year olds almost from thin air who they believe will be guaranteed to always vote Labor.

Worrals in the wilds 22nd Apr 2012 11:58

Their problem is that most people aren't poor, and most people work (or run their own business, which gets absolutely no government benefit from the Carbon shakedown) and do better out of that than on the dole. I believe this is becoming a problem in the UK because their dole is very lucrative, but it isn't here, and nor should it be.

Logan; LNP. Gold Coast; LNP. Beaudesert; LNP. Ipswich; LNP. Inala and Woodridge; Labor, but only on prefences. Whether that translates to federal politics is questionable and it's the feds who provide the benefits, but these are all high welfare areas and they didn't buy state Labor's 'money for ferals' campaign.

Andu 22nd Apr 2012 12:01

But the more they make poor, (or dependant on them), the greater their chances of success. The politics of envy, where people who've produced nothing demand their "share" (entitlement) of that which those who have produced something have amassed, as we've recently seen in the "occupy" movement.

Ants and grasshoppers...

Worrals in the wilds 22nd Apr 2012 12:29

Ahh, Occupy. :hmm: I get a lot of Facebook updates from my leftie friends (and maybe you do too, along with news from Save the Chicken and 'messages' from the Dalai Lama :\).

Of course almost all of these leftie friends work. They wouldn't want to be on benefits because 1. it's crap money and 2. IME there's a stigma to it these days, even in left wing circles. In a country with very low unemployment (around the 5%) it's expected that you do something, even if it's waiting tables. This doesn't apply to the druggie ferals, but I don't think they're a big voting force.

In the 1990s, plenty of people were proud of being on benefits. This may still be the case around isolated pockets of places like Logan, but it's not something you hear on campus any more. It's no longer trendy. TBQH I don't think it's even a prevailing view around Logan, more a noisy view amongst the feral minority who like to appear on Current Affairs programs.

Certainly the 'paw out' brigade exist, but unlike the UK I don't think they're a major voting force. From what I see ( a disparate mob :}), the majority of people would like a permanent job with leave and steady pay. And a million dollars a year plus ute allowance and an annual trip to Thailand, but that's a bit unrealistic. ;)

rh200 22nd Apr 2012 21:45

if Her Majesty is satisfied that the people of Western Australia have agreed thereto, of Western Australia, shall be united in a Federal Commonwealth
I wish her majesty would become unsatisfied!:p

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