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Flying Binghi 31st Jul 2013 23:24

Heh, 'green think' - No integrity required..:hmm:

25 July (six days ago) Our corrupt ABC puts up the latest 'environment' news...

Arctic melting an 'economic time bomb' ? News ? ABC Environment (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

The same day the article is listed i write a brief post to the comments section and get a post received reply...

Considering the Medieval warm period (When Greenland were settled by Vikings) were warmer then today why didn't the methane melt then ?

Soon after the comment free comments section is closed and we get...

Comments for this story are no longer available. ABC policy is to delete comments on stories three months after they are published.

Hmmm... so any reader that is not aware of the corruption in the ABC and climate research will think the article is factual rather then being about debunked and ridiculed research.
An alarmist prediction so bad, even Gavin Schmidt thinks it is implausible | Watts Up With That?

Ops normal at the taxpayer funded ABC..:hmm:


7x7 1st Aug 2013 00:54

Reports coming in of a boat in difficulties with 100 on board and not enough life jackets. HMAS Taxi on the way to assist.

The Australian MSM reported yesterday "no boats in three days"... as Michael Smith posted an audio clip of him interviewing a Christmas Island resident who was reporting in real time the arrival at Flying Fish Cove of HMAS Maryborough with a large number of passengers on board.

Why can't an Australian Navy ship drop off survivors at the nearest port rather than at the nearest Australian port? The Navy crew could put a very quick stop to any "protests" from the survivors that perhaps a crew of a civilian ship might not be able to do.

Reports this morning that an aircraft has taken 40 people to Manus Island. Other reports cite 10 single males have been sent to Manus. My guess would be at least three security guards per passenger on any such flight, so could the "40" announced by the government really be 10 asylum seekers and 30 security guards?

Yeah Kev, those newspaper "reports" (or should that be "government propaganda") that the boats have stopped are spot on... about as spot on as every policy you've introduced since 2007.

CoodaShooda 1st Aug 2013 01:28

Interesting snippet from Tim Blair that, having ditched the UK's Labor communication guru McTernan, Rudd has imported Obama's social media election team.

Is it a case that we no longer recognise the old Australian Labor Party because it is now, overtly, just part of the International Labor Movement?

Buster Hyman 1st Aug 2013 01:40

Some intriguing points...

DPMC report

SOLAS Convention
on receiving information that persons are in distress at sea, the master of a ship, which is in a position to provide assistance, must proceed with all speed to their assistance. This obligation applies regardless of the nationality or status of such persons or the circumstances in which they are found. Where assistance has been provided to persons in distress in a state’s srr, that state has primary responsibility to ensure that coordination and cooperation occurs between governments, so that survivors are disembarked from the assisting ship and delivered to a place of safety. As a matter of practice ‘a place of safety’ could be the nearest convenient port. This will not necessarily be a port in the territory of the state in whose

30. Since the “next port of call” with reference to the disembarkation of rescued persons is nowhere clearly defined, there are a number of possibilities, which would need to be further explored to clarify this concept. In many instances, especially when large numbers of rescued persons are involved, it will in effect be the nearest port in terms of geographical proximity given the overriding safety concerns. Under certain circumstances, it is also possible to conceive the port of embarkation as the appropriate place to effect disembarkation, arising from the responsibility of the country of embarkation to prevent un-seaworthy vessels from leaving its territory. Another option would be the next scheduled port of call. This would be appropriate, for instance, in cases where the number of people rescued is small and the safety of the vessel and those on board is not endangered nor likely to necessitate a deviation from its intended course. There may be instances where the next port of call may not be the closest one but rather the one best equipped for the purposes of receiving traumatised and injured victims and subsequently processing any asylum applications. In other situations, involving State vessels intercepting illegal migrants, the nearest port of that State could be regarded as the most appropriate port for disembarkation purposes. From a safety and humanitarian perspective, ensuring the safety and dignity of those rescued and of the crew, must be the overriding consideration in determining the point of disembarkation.

7x7 1st Aug 2013 05:58

Apparently, the RAN is rushing to rescue the latest boat in distress (and I can only assume, bring them back to Christmas Island). What's really interesting is where the boat in distress is located.


If the position given is accurate, it looks like a lifesaver swimming from a beach on Java with a reel could assist in this particular rescue.

Most likely result? Despite Kevni's promises to the contrary, another 104 on the Australian public teat for life.

Andu 1st Aug 2013 06:25

Sydney radio reporting that NSW police have arrested a 25 year old Bangla Deshi asylum seeker who has been in Australia four weeks on a bridging visa. The man is alleged to have indecently assaulted a blind woman in two incidents on a train and in a railway station two weeks ago - or two weeks after he was released into the community on a bridging visa.

It will be interesting in the extreme to see how the ALPBC and the commercial networks, particularly Channel 7, handle this news item on this evening's news.

I'd also love to know what basis a Bangla Deshi has to claim asylum. I think the last time Bangla Desh had a war was 1971.

500N 1st Aug 2013 06:41

"If the position given is accurate, it looks like a lifesaver swimming from a beach on Java with a reel could assist in this particular rescue."

That is in Indonesian Territorial waters ? - and I'm not talking a 200 mile limit
but the 12 mile line which makes it even worse.

In any case, I thought the Indos don't like armed RAN boats with their waters
or were they BS'ing a few months ago.

And in any case, WTF is the point of having International boundaries
for SAR, of which Australia has fcuking more sea than nearly everyone
else if we are then taking over in the Indos area ?

I know we (the International boundaries for SAR) run pretty close to their coast but not that close.

What a load of crap.

Captain Sand Dune 1st Aug 2013 07:31

Comment, True Believers?

Would love to see how the above points are spun.:E

7x7 1st Aug 2013 08:19

The indecent assault(s) on the blind woman story just got worse - three other women have come forward accusing the same individual of similar attacks.

Then there's this story:

No Cookies | Herald Sun

AN Afghan refugee who argued cultural differences led him to rape a drunken girl has won a bid to appeal against a 14-year jail term.

Esmatullah Sharifi, 31, was given a total 11-year non-parole term for two rapes committed within days of each other in December 2008.

He pleaded guilty at separate hearings to raping a teen on December 19 and a woman, 25, on Christmas Eve. He's been granted leave to appeal against the sentence for raping the teen.

A date is yet to be set.

Granting leave to appeal, Court of Appeal Justice Robert Redlich said: "The sentencing judge rejected any suggestion (Sharifi) didn't have a clear concept of consent in sexual relations. His Honour concluded that the protection of the community was the principal purpose for which the sentence was imposed."

But he said the 18-year-old victim had found there were "aspects of his conduct that were strange" because Sharifi treated her like a "willing participant".

He noted that Sharifi, who came to Australia on a temporary protection visa in 2001, also drove her home.

"It proves, in my view, an adequate basis for most grounds of appeal that (Sharifi) wishes to pursue," the judge said.

In April last year, a psychologist told the County Court that Sharifi had "an unclear concept of what constitutes consent in sexual relationships" in Australia.

But in his sentencing remarks, Judge Mark Dean said Sharifi had gone hunting for vulnerable, drunken women to rape. His flight from the Taliban was no excuse for extreme violence.

"The offence committed by you was an extremely serious act of violence, and in my opinion you well knew the victim was not consenting," he said.

"You have no remorse or insight into your offending."

Sharifi found the teen near to a Frankston nightclub and offered to drive her to meet friends at a Mornington hotel. But instead he drove her to a dark street and raped her.

"Your brutal conduct must be denounced by this court," Judge Dean said.

Sharifi was jailed in 2009 for 9½ years with a minimum of seven years for the Christmas Eve rape. In April, he was given a total sentence of 14 years.

You couldn't make this up.

Buster Hyman 1st Aug 2013 08:59

So, could that Nurse that committed Arson in that Nursing home argue that "he helped in the rescue", therefore, his sentence should be reduced?

sisemen 1st Aug 2013 09:03

If the position given is accurate
That's just taking the piss. :yuk: Stop the bloody "aid" to Indonesia - the Brits learnt about danegeld in the year 1000.

Worrals in the wilds 1st Aug 2013 09:05

"If the position given is accurate, it looks like a lifesaver swimming from a beach on Java with a reel could assist in this particular rescue."
Now there's an overseas aid project that just might work. Java SLSC...:}

AN Afghan refugee who argued cultural differences led him to rape a drunken girl has won a bid to appeal against a 14-year jail term.
He hasn't had a successful appeal though. Let's hope it stays that way; of course sometimes the Appeals Courts up the penalty... fourteen years is quite high for a single rape (by Queensland standards, anyway) but it sounds pretty pre-meditated. On the surface it reads like a bog standard 'traditional' rape scenario of evil man jumping out of tree and grabbing a random female stranger...Not usually popular with the courts. I guess we'll see what happens.

As for how the commercial networks handle the issue; they didn't, not on the interstate news at any rate :suspect:.

SOPS 1st Aug 2013 16:06

I have to say, that this is very hard to say for me, but I am sitting in my hotel room in Columbo, watching ABC Lateline, and I think Tony Burke is the best speaking politician I have heard in years, and if he was the leader of the Labor party, I may consider changing my vote , after 43 years

RJM 1st Aug 2013 17:25

Sweet words aren't everything. Tony Burke is a fully fledged member of the NSW Labor Right. He's a Catholic, cultivated from law school by the ALP's conservative dominant union the Shop, Distributive and Allied Employees Association.

Burke hates Rudd, accusing him publicly during Gillard's attempt to destroy Rudd of chaotic management, inability to make decisions and general unfitness for office.

Burke resigned from the ministry when Rudd toppled Gillard, but after more principled members of Gillard's Rudd-hating former front bench refused to take Rudd's offers to stay, Burke reconsidered. Rudd offered Burke a couple of choice sinecures in addition to Burke retaining his high profile, cash-distributing Arts Ministry. Burke became Vice President of the Executive Council, a largely ceremonial post but one usually given to the most senior and respected MPs. The holder of the office stands in for the Governor General at Executive Council when the GG is not available. The position is equivalent to the UK's Lord President of the Council.

So everyone has his price. Burke rationalised accepting the position in an ABC interview (ABC World Today 27/6/13):

ALEXANDRA KIRK: But you're on the record accusing Mr Rudd of orchestrating a stealth and undermining campaign. You also said that the stories were around of the chaos, the temperament, the inability to have decisions made, that they were not stories. How can you now swear allegiance to Mr Rudd?

TONY BURKE: Really, really simply on that Alex... He's made a judgement call which I think is quite different to how he operated in that first term. And ultimately the question is given that he's prepared to reach out in that way, am I going to just dig my heels in or am I going to get in there and do part of the work?

ALEXANDRA KIRK: Or is it a case of the Rudd Government or a Rudd Government can't afford any more frontbench resignations?

TONY BURKE: Well, you know, you'd have to ask others as to why he was so emphatic in wanting me to stay on.

Another Rudd-hating MP (and 'Shoppie' puppet) Kate Ellis stayed on too. Ellis, one of Gillard's strongest supporters, told The Weekend Australian (29/6/13) that she had no intention of quitting her $275,000-a-year job, despite her damning remarks about Rudd 18 months ago.

Ellis told the Australian that the matter was in the past and she was looking to the future.

"This is a time for past differences to be put aside," she said.

She had earlier told ABC local radio that: "I'm not really interested in sending messages . . . (but) we need to make sure that we have women in public life and we need to have more women in senior roles.

"I don't think that anyone would be serving either Julia Gillard, the Labor Party or the Australian people if we decided to make some childish statement and walk away and leave us with zero female representation."

No female member of Gillard's team, all of whom had been vitriolic in their criticism of Rudd, resigned, while numerous male ministers did.

Ellis affirmed that she was a woman of principle and had been unwavering in her support for Julia Gillard.

"I just know that I didn't intend to walk away from Julia and I'm proud that I didn't do that."

But neither of Ms Ellis's eight page electorate newsletters for the two months prior to Ms Gillard's sacking mentioned Ms Gillard.

Integrity and principles. That's what you want in a politician.

7x7 1st Aug 2013 23:00

I'd have to agree with RJM, SOPS. There's a gulf the size of Bass Strait between Burke's talk and Burke's walk.

I do agree however, that it's refreshing - almost unique - to hear a politician 'talking straight', as Burke has been doing. It's just such a shame that it's an absolute certainly it's just talk. Everything the Rudd government is saying and promising is predicated on one thing and one thing only: to get themselves re-elected. If they manage to pull that off, the words of Peter Garrett will apply - i.e., they'll renege on everything that's even vaguely Liberal policy and it will be back to business as usual.

Meanwhile, Eddie Obeid is denying everything. If he chooses to name names, he could do irreparable damage to NSW Labor - and therefore Rudd. Even the ALPBC would not be able to ignore it (which, to be fair to them, they are not ignoring now).

CoodaShooda 1st Aug 2013 23:13

which, to be fair to them, they are not ignoring now
Which is no doubt due to the ABC Greens supporters outnumbering the ABC labor supporters. The Greens ain't happy with Kevvie. :8

Andu 2nd Aug 2013 00:29

Kevin Rudd rejects claims Eddie Obeid helped his rise
BY:MARK COULTAN AND BRAD NORINGTON From: The Australian August 02, 2013 12:00AM

DISGRACED ALP powerbroker Eddie Obeid claims he actively lobbied members of the powerful NSW Right faction to support Kevin Rudd's push to become the party's leader in 2006.

His comments back up claims by senior Coalition figures that Mr Rudd owed his rise to power to the powerful and scandal-plagued Right faction of the NSW branch. But they were vigorously rejected by the Prime Minister's office last night, with Mr Rudd saying he could not recall having met Mr Obeid.
To quote the much-quoted Miss Mandy Rice-Davies of Profumo Affair fame: "Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?"

I'm sure I'm not the only one hoping against hope that Eddie decides that if he's going down, he'd going to take a few of the big guns down with him. (Kidding that wouldn't have been discussed at length in the back rooms of Sussex Street as the ICAC finding loomed.) But I'm sure he won't do anything along those lines until after the election.

sisemen 2nd Aug 2013 01:21

Ain't it funny about the sisterhood deserting Dullard when the chips were down. Never mind the quality - think about the salary.

Burke's interview on Obeid and the sorry mess in NSW was very, very defensive - not quite at the point of outright lying but certainly very economical with the truth and very evasive on the hard questions. Trust? Never in a million years. Pigs, snouts and troughs are all words descriptive of this bunch.

And now we go back to the Bank Account Deposits tax - the BAD tax. Never was a tax more aptly named. They're not taxing the banks - they're hitting the mug punters like you and me but I doubt whether the true believers will see it that way.

RJM 2nd Aug 2013 02:43

I'm sure I'm not the only one hoping against hope that Eddie decides that if he's going down, he'd going to take a few of the big guns down with him. (Kidding that wouldn't have been discussed at length in the back rooms of Sussex Street as the ICAC finding loomed.) But I'm sure he won't do anything along those lines until after the election.
My guess is that Obeid will stay mum. For several reasons: Guys like that will never believe they're finished. Why give up all your leverage just out of spite, when you can use it next time? Further, Obeid heads a criminal dynasty, some of whom may avoid gaol. Why make it hard for them?

I forced myself to watch Q & A on Monday night. It was interesting to hear Kate Ellis fudge her qualifications during a general discussion on 'what did you study?'. Kate, who spent seven years at university as a Labor puppet student politician but failed to get her arts degree, said that while her major was History, she believed that if you study what you are passionate about, it will lead to a fulfilling job, perhaps one like hers with offices in two states, personal staff and a handy AUD275,000 pa.

It was yet another platitude from Ellis, who was groomed from the age of 15 by Labor's all-powerful Shop Distributive and Allied Employees Association. Reaching university, Ellis was immediately put forward by the 'Shoppies' as a candidate in student politics. Both sides of student politics use similar tactics - find a sports hero or a good looking chick in first year, and they will attract a lot of votes. Despite constantly failing in her studies, Ellis made it to General Secretary of the Student Union before the Shoppies decided to move her into the state political arena in South Australia. She was given a year's work experience with local Shoppies-supported ministers, then pre-selected for the seat of Adelaide, whose sitting Liberal member was not campaigning having been diagnosed with breast cancer. Ellis got in, and is still trading on her youth, looks and gender. She's my local federal member, and in my opinion she has little else to offer.

Kate's opposite number on the Q & A panel was Josh Frydenberg, a law/arts graduate from Melbourne University to which he added a Master in International Relations from Oxford University and a Master in Public Administration from Harvard. Frydenberg's CV includes stints as a commercial lawyer and as a Director of International Finance at Deutsche Bank - and a year on the international tennis circuit including reaching Wimbledon.

That's not to say that fancy qualifications are essential in an effective politician, but it does indicate that youth, good looks and solid union backing can take a lady a long way in Australian politics.

500N 2nd Aug 2013 02:46

I think the tide might be turning against Kevin.
He's over playing his hand.

Also, an article in the Age today about Morals, or lack of and why
1/3rd of the cabinet quit.

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