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david1300 21st Jun 2012 03:19

Or this:
Retailers will be rubbing their hands in glee. This comes just in time for the EOFY Sales of large screen televisions, computer games consoles, etc.

Gillard looking all the poorer for throwing money at voters

June 20, 2012 Opinion
The public's gratitude for cash it believes it already owns is fleeting.
THE money is flowing into bank accounts, billions of dollars of it. According to the federal government, $1.18 billion has already been distributed to 5.8 million Australians as part of the carbon tax compensation scheme.
The government also says payments to cover a proportion of the price rises caused by the carbon tax will go to nine out of 10 households. Close to 6 million households will be either fully compensated or will come out slightly ahead, according to the government's projections.

That's not all. Today, the first lump sum payments that replace the old education tax refund are expected to land in parents' bank accounts. By the end of the month, the government expects to have sent out $1.4 billion for what it calls, using the colloquial parlance so beloved of the marketing people who have its ear, the "schoolkids bonus".

These outlays are, again to borrow from the marketers' lexicon, a big spend. And yet, is any of it changing public attitudes to the government or the Prime Minister? There does not seem to be much evidence of it.
Resentment over carbon pricing among most voters appears to rage on, prompted by looming big electricity price rises. And the real firestorm of protest has not yet begun, although it is not far off. For that, we need wait only until July 1, when the regime takes effect.

As the nation descends into the depths of winter, Julia Gillard's moment of truth is at hand. Her entire political strategy rests on being able to use the reality of the carbon tax to generate a sort of electoral big bang. That is, when the carbon price becomes, at last, a tangible presence rather than a threatening idea, a new political world will be formed.

Read more: Gillard looking all the poorer for throwing money at voters

allan907 21st Jun 2012 06:18

Yer bunch of whinging bastards! It's only money. All it takes is for a few West Aussies and Queenslanders to dig a bit more out of the ground and she'll be right.

On the other hand perhaps, as ordinary citizens, we ought to be spending our Gillard largesse on guns so that she might be persuaded to hold elections sooner rather than later.

(yeah, yeah - I know. The true believers will got on and castigate all us "rednecks" for our violent outbursts - whatever)

SOPS 21st Jun 2012 08:34

Reports just coming in of a boat, with 200 on board, sinking north of Christmas Island. Survivours spotted in water.

hoofie 21st Jun 2012 09:21

Surely if the boat has capsized in Indonesian Waters [its reported to be in their search zone] they should be taken back to Indonesia ?

No doubt it will be our fault anyway - stand by for the bleeding hearts; I bet Ian Rintoul is writing his press release as we speak.

Andu 21st Jun 2012 10:08

Asylum seeker disaster north of Christmas Island - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

A tragedy is unfolding in the waters north of Christmas Island, with reports two boats carrying hundreds of asylum seekers have capsized.

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) has confirmed a boat carrying about 200 asylum seekers capsized about 120 nautical miles north of Christmas Island this afternoon.

And the ABC's Helen Brown reports from Jakarta that the Indonesian Navy is heading to a location to look for a second boat believed to be carrying about 100 asylum seekers.

It was initially thought there was just one boat carrying Middle Eastern asylum seekers in trouble, but a spokesman from the Indonesian search and rescue unit says there could possibly be another boat of asylum seekers from Sri Lanka in distress after receiving information from Australian authorities.

Boat confirmed overturned 120 nautical miles north of Christmas Island.
Thought to be carrying 200 asylum seekers.

Within Indonesian waters, so Indonesia is leading rescue efforts.
At least 40 people spotted in the water, and it is known there were not enough life jackets.

Reports of second boat carrying 100 asylum seekers in trouble.

Cargo ship has arrived at the scene, with two Defence boats on the way

parabellum 21st Jun 2012 23:23

We now just sit back and watch the Greens and the ALP blame Tony Abbott, it is bound to happen!

Buster Hyman 22nd Jun 2012 01:04

We now just sit back and watch the Greens and the ALP blame Tony Abbott, it is bound to happen!
Already in The Age about how he's not letting the Govt. implement the "Malaysia solution" which "will have an immediate impact on boat numbers". In the same rag, they have proudly bannered Paul Keating calling Tony Abbott a Monkey! Does that mean I can't shout out "Monkey" to a player at the footy this weekend? If Paul Keating can say it, then surely its acceptable & in the common vernacular...

allan907 22nd Jun 2012 01:15

Just shows the abysmal level to which the ALP argument has sunk to. No policies, no moral standing, no talent and no hope.

Don't give 'em a tick - give 'em the flick!

CoodaShooda 22nd Jun 2012 04:54


Love how the Age keeps overlooking that it's the lack of Greens support that's blocking the government's immigration policies.

On to other things

Keep an eye on the NT election happening sometime in August.

We have a hung parliament with labor supported by an independent (who represents a usually conservative electorate.) Sound familiar?

This close to anticipated polling day, I still don't know when the we are to vote.

There's buggerall overt electioneering by either side, although the word is that the conservative CLP mob are already crowing.

What little material labor is putting out strangely refers to Hendo's Mob rather than the ALP; Paul Henderson being the Chief Minister.

Six months ago, I would have said the CLP were a shoe in, with labor being well on the nose.

Now I'm not so sure. There is now little vibe for change and the best description for the public feel is "apathy".

The government has been pulling its head in and has done nothing wrong in the past couple of months - and our transient population doesn't recognise the utter shambles they've made of the place over the past 10 years.

The opposition lacks any charisma and has not achieved any traction, even amongst traditional support groups. You get the feeling they are trying to leverage off the national antipathy for the Gillard Government and expect government to drop into their lap.

In 35 years of observing NT elections, this is the first time I haven't got a clear lead on which way it will go.

If the CLP wins, they won't have earned it.

If labor wins, it will give the Feds a confidence boost as it will demonstrate that you can turn public opinion around in the lead in to an election.

bob johns 22nd Jun 2012 05:29

bob johns
RE the boat sinking They didnt have to try to illegally enter Australia. I have as much sympathy as I have for some goose that falls of the end of his bungee whilst jumping----no one made him do it.

Andu 22nd Jun 2012 08:33

The survivors would have to give the captain of this boat a score of 10 out of 10. First distress call 38 miles off the Java coast, so he had some major technical problems, but it would seem there was never any question of turning back. (My guess would be that, short of the boat foundering, the pax would have insisted he go on.)

His brief was to get his pax to the Promised Lan... sorry, their desired destination, and get them there - (at least the lucky survivors) - he did, some of them all the way to 'home base' in one step. (Some of the survivors were flown to Perth.)

Given that the boat was always in Indonesian waters and never the responsibility of Australia, surely even the rusted on Labor/Greens supporters (OK, maybe not the Greens supporters) would be asking why the survivors were taken to Christmas island rather than back to Java?

Poor Wayne.. What hope, (without some really creative accountancy, which I suppose is a given), of achieving his wafer-thin surplus now? He budgeted for 450 'irregular arrivals' a month. Had this boat made it, almost half the monthly quota would have arrived in one day - and every one of the survivors of this tragedy will undoubtedly be so traumatised, (and if not, they'll be told by their rellies already here how lucrative it will be for them to be deeply, deeply traumatised), that they'll require extensive and expensive counselling for the rest of their lives.

Oh, and compensation. Lots of compensation.

Buster Hyman 22nd Jun 2012 10:44

So, why don't we just cede control of Christmas Island to the Indonesians? You'd genuinely earn refugee status if you made it to Oz then!

david1300 22nd Jun 2012 11:47

Buster, I'm looking for the 'like' button.:ok:

bob johns 22nd Jun 2012 15:07

bob johns
Spot on Buster but who would want it ? Casino ? Na-thats a fizzer -- How about a bird shit mine ?-- Nar all gone-- How about a scam to get a lot of wogs in and let all the ALP wankers get the Greenies on side and shes a shoe in --That sounds good (name your own high profile spiv/pimp/pollie ) If real people run this country we d get rid of that filth --UN and all the trough snufflers and the Indons could turn it into a trendy brothel/cultural/centre for some religious group to kill lots of stupid bogans with drugs pox etc And those dumb round-eyes will Still be paying for it

pisstin broke 22nd Jun 2012 22:40

As an observer, just wondering how the boat people get to Indonesia in the first place. It seems they're of Middle East descent, not Indonesians.

Worrals in the wilds 22nd Jun 2012 23:05

They fly.
The whole thing is a commercial operation; not like the genuine 'boat people' from Vietnam et al that climbed on a boat at home and escaped on it.

The people who run these boats advertise and sell tickets.

pisstin broke 22nd Jun 2012 23:13

O.K. So the moment they arrive at passport control in Indonesia, they cease to become refugees. If the Indonesian authorities deem that they have arrived there legitimately, it becomes their problem, not Australias'.

Worrals in the wilds 22nd Jun 2012 23:20

They don't claim refugee status in Indonesia. In any case Indonesia isn't a signatory to the Geneva Convention so it wouldn't matter if they did.

A lot of these obligations come from Australia being a signatory to that convention. I have my own opinion on whether Australia should have bought into the whole Geneva thing, but it puts me dangerously close to agreement with the other regulars on this issue, and we can't have that. ;):}

RJM 22nd Jun 2012 23:35

It should not be forgotten whose brilliant idea it was to dismantle Howard's effective Pacific Solution. It wasn't Rudd, it was his loyal deputy Gillard.

pisstin broke 23rd Jun 2012 02:55

Well whatever it is / was they're escaping from in the Middle East, they've succeeded once they've made it to Indonesia. After that they're not refugees. Why are Australians tolerating this rort?

RJM 23rd Jun 2012 03:55

We're not. Our government is. Most of us are counting the days to the next election, when the main interest will be how much the present mob lose by.

criticalmass 23rd Jun 2012 11:57

Personal opinion follows:-

Let us not forget that the Left (Labor and the Greens) places no value on individual lives. Any number of boat-people can perish at sea and they have still served their purpose...they are merely the soldiers fallen on the field of battle in the great class-struggle, lives sacrificed to serve the imperative Left-wing idealogical need to re-engineer the social, linguistic and religious structure of the nation in order to perpetuate the ascendancy of the Left for decades to come.

Even if Julia Gillard and her cohorts are annihilated in the 2013 federal election, the fact that under her administration several thousand illegal immigrants have been introduced into the population at large to sow the seeds of racial, cultural and religious discord, means Gillard and her government will be recorded in the annals of the Labor movement as hugely successful. A nation divided will be their legacy - exactly what they wanted.

The agents of social upheaval, and quite possibly the progenitors of the forthcoming Australian Civil War, are now implanted deeply within the general population where they and there descendents can continue their seditious work, funded by and protected by a Labor political machine which sees the end justifying the means. Any attempt to remove them will be countered by the "magic-bullet" accusation of racism, and the unassailable shibboleth of multiculturalism will be used as the excuse for taking no action.

Was it not former Labor minister Graham Richardson who said "whatever it takes"? Federal Labor will stop at nothing - not even mass-murder by neglect and electoral fraud on a gigantic scale - to achieve their goal of complete social change, cultural and religious upheaval across the nation, the compulsory redistribution of wealth and the political re-education of the entire population.

Sewing the seeds of discord with culturally-incompatible illegal immigrants is just one way of subverting a nation. Another way is to tax it into submission. The "Carbon Tax" is but the first stage of a massive increase in taxes of all types at all levels. Tax everything at every stage of production, distribution and consumption. Expect a re-introduction of Death Duties, both state and federal, as well as incremental rises in GST, additional taxes on the value of your real estate assets and properties as well as everything you actually own (furniture, stocks, shares, bonds, bank accounts, household goods, vehicles etc), right down to your clothes, shoes and jewellery.

Under Labor, expect taxes, more taxes, and taxes piled on other taxes. Levies, duties, excise...call it what you will, they are all just different names for taxes. Unchecked, Labor will tax the whole nation into an economic coma. Unemployment will be used as a weapon. Whole neighbourhoods, even cities, will be allowed to fall into ruins, over-run with criminal gangs, as state governments and authorities are systematically starved of funds needed to operate on a daily basis. Much of this taxation will be retrospective...when a government has all the money and its citizens have none, the government has total control. It is truly untouchable.

The agenda of the Left and the Greens (i.e. Communists who lack the courage to call themselves by their true name) is the complete re-engineering of Australian culture, economics, language and religion. The Gillard government might be terminated in the federal election in 2013 (but this is by no means a given since the Australian Electoral Commission has shown a marked reluctance in past years to prosecute people for electoral fraud), but the effects of its disastrous policies will be felt in Australia for the next half-century, possibly even longer.

Australians may well come to call this current federal government "The Treacherous Government" when they document the consequences of its ongoing record of meretricious behaviour, mendaciousness, recklessness, arrogance, impotence, ineffectiveness and wilfull stupidity.

bob johns 23rd Jun 2012 12:12

bob johns
criticalmascould you pm

parabellum 23rd Jun 2012 13:45

You are quite right, Critical Mass, aware that they have no policies and very little to offer otherwise, they seek to divide and rule, a large wedge of grateful illegal immigrants is no better way to reinforce their position.

Time for Australia to wake up before it is too late. Please take the word of a retired Pom who loves Australia.

RJM 23rd Jun 2012 17:26

It's odd how conservative goals are in general achieved by people acting voluntarily, even if out of self-interest, while people usually have to be frog-marched towards socialist goals: if they do march through self-interest it's the self-interest of staying alive or keeping your property from being seized by the state.

Socialism (aka 'progressive politics') = mediocrity for most and a great life for those in power.

Liberal capitalism = a good life for those prepared to work for it, or lucky enough to inherit or marry it.

Despite its faults, I know which ism I'd prefer.

Solid Rust Twotter 23rd Jun 2012 18:56

Churchill called it the politics of envy. Reckon he got it spot on.

sea oxen 23rd Jun 2012 20:40

I always find my annual visits to Australia to be depressing.

It's a pity, because as I was growing, up, there seemed to be some sort of Australian identity. I was very happy to be Australian - what could be better?

It has gone now, but I'm grateful that I had about 30 years of relative fun and freedom. That's more than most see in a lifetime.


Andu 23rd Jun 2012 23:09

criticalmass, I think there'd be quite a few here (on both sides of the debate, and obviously, for very different reasons), who'd classify your last post as our very own Pprune 'Rivers of Blood' speech, and unfortunately, just like Mr Powell's original 'Rivers of Blood' speech, it will be ignored and derided by the vast majority who should listen to its message - until it's too late.

Captain Sand Dune 24th Jun 2012 02:56

Well said.:D Pretty well sums up my sentiments exactly, but far more eloquently than I ever could.

No news from the True believers for six pages now! Must be still recieving their instructions from the ALP spin doctors.:E

Andu 24th Jun 2012 09:30

Today's boat "intercepted"(!) with 66 freeloaders plus crew on board.

Flying Binghi 24th Jun 2012 11:22


Dunno who wrote this. funny tho...

Julia is the shepherd I did not want.
She leadeth me beside the still factories.
She restoreth my faith in the Liberal party.
She guideth me in the path of unemployment for her party's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the bread line,
I shall fear no hunger for her bailouts are with me.
She has anointed my income with taxes,
My expenses runneth over.
Surely, poverty and hard living will follow me all the days of my life.
And I will live in a rented home forever.
I am glad I am Australian.
I am glad that I am free.
But I wish I was a dog
And Julia was a tree.


allan907 24th Jun 2012 16:15

Two fckuing years. Two years for her to do so much damage it's incalculable.

One thing's a given though.....she ain't gonna be there in 2 years time.

allan907 25th Jun 2012 05:51

And to celebrate her 2 years of mayhem Newspoll today reports the ALP still down at 30% and her personal "approval rating" down again.

On a promise of "responsible government" and a fixing of the 3 main problems which saw that the Rudd government had screwed up on, namely carbon, stealing from the miners and controlling immigration just what does the report card say?

Responsible government? Ha, ha, fckuing ha!

Carbon? "There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

Mining Tax? Only slated to be 5.5 billion short of what they reckon it would be.

Immigration? Jeez. Does anything more need to be said on that one?

Has to be F minus on all the subjects.

Andu 25th Jun 2012 22:32

Not a story you'll be likely to read in 'The Age' or 'The Sydney Morning Herald' or hear on 'your' ABC.

Easy money fuels flow of leaking boats | thetelegraph.com.au

Easy money fuels flow of leaking boats

According to well-placed sources, about 300 displaced economic refugees arrive each week at Jakarta's airport.

They come in on one-way tickets from places like Dubai, New Delhi and Kuala Lumpur and carry fake travel documents.

They speak no Indonesian, have no job and move straight from the airport to halfway houses run by people-smuggling syndicates with close links to Indonesian officials. Most have cash - lots of cash.


These "fishing" boats crammed with human cargo sail right under the noses of Indonesian authorities.


Stopping people at the airport barrier is not difficult. Just ask any Australian tourist who arrives in Jakarta without proof of a return ticket and at least six months on their visa.

It is increasingly difficult for Australia to lecture Indonesia when our court system accepts the testimony of poor Indonesian fishermen that they were just "out fishing" with a boat full of Iranian "tourists" when they lost their way and stumbled upon Christmas Island.

We know what our politicians are doing - nothing.

Worrals in the wilds 25th Jun 2012 22:58

Interesting article.

But the flood of boat people out of Indonesia raises a simple question: Why do Indonesian authorities refuse to stop the flow?
IMO, because they don't give a toss. It's not their problem. It's our problem and our pollies should be dealing with it.
There was a working solution in place until Rudd stuffed it to keep the inner city tofu latte brigade on side. :ugh:

eagle 86 26th Jun 2012 01:48

You are absolutely correct - the problem with most Australians is that they have absolutely no idea about the countries to our north. They believe these countries should think exactly like us, behave exactly like us, have the same philosophical and cultural views as us and, dare I say have the same human and "moral" values as us. They simply do not.
The Indons are not signatories to UN conventions on "refugees" (nor should we be). They don't care - the recent drownings received one paragraph on about page 10 of their newspapers. The Idons are extremely grateful for the weak labor government supported by equally weak independents and exceptionally weak greens that allow them to ignore these temporary citizens and, more than likely, openly aid the illegal immigrant smugglers to ply their trade.
The wool has been very firmly pulled over a lot of Australian eyes.

allan907 26th Jun 2012 03:48

Been a lot of wool pulling since 2007

Andu 26th Jun 2012 06:59

Some aviation content for this thread.

Cookies must be enabled | Herald Sun

AN ENTIRE 737 plane was chartered just to fly one injured asylum seeker from Christmas Island to Perth, it has emerged.

The aircraft, which usually carries around 130 passengers flew the man, a detention centre guard and an immigration to Perth on Saturday so the man could receive urgent medical attention.

The man is believed to be on the asylum seeker boat which sank last week and was being treated for two severed fingers.

The Immigration Department has confirmed the plane was used to transport the man.

allan907 26th Jun 2012 07:51

Difficult one (well, perhaps not that difficult).

RFDS haven't got the legs for Christmas Island; the island medical facilities probably haven't got the ability to do the micro surgery required and it wouldn't be humane to say "well stuff it - you're only going to be able to count to 8 in future".

The political aspects of holding the door open are one thing - the civilised humane aspects are entirely another.

Clare Prop 26th Jun 2012 08:09

I just wonder if they would do the same for a taxpaying resident or Australian tourist on Xmas Island?

Entire 737 chartered to move just one asylum seeker | PerthNow

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