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Andu 14th Jun 2012 10:28

My 90 year old mother in law received a cheque today for $250.00 from Julia - and in the same mail, a second letter informing her that because of the extra money she was now receiving from a beneficent government, that same government was authorising the care facility in which she lives to take an extra 1% of her pension.


Re the really large new fishery protection zones announced today: does the Navy have enough ships and manpower to police such large areas and prevent Japanese, Taiwanese and Korean (and who knows who else?) trawlers from taking fish from these protected areas? 'Protected' - from Australian fisherMEN only. (Did anyone else notice the news articles today? We no longer have 'fisherman', but Politically Correct 'fishers'(!) ) God give me strength!

Worrals in the wilds 14th Jun 2012 10:52

Of course not.
Australia - Sea Shepherd
Lunatics? Absolutely, complete nutters.
Integrity? Have you seen any of them stand for politics? :E

MagnusP 14th Jun 2012 11:46

Andu, I think it's spelled "fissures", and it's what all politicians talk out of. This is a global truth. :rolleyes:

bob johns 14th Jun 2012 12:08

bob johns
ay andu --I am senior to you --my Mum will be 97 in Jan 2013

hellsbrink 14th Jun 2012 14:45

Sea Shepherd are ging to be flat out stopping people killing all those fishies in the marine parks all by themselves.
Don't be silly, fishies aren't such an emotional or high profile subject as whales and the evil Japanese.

Say that the dolphins are gonna get it, however..........

parabellum 15th Jun 2012 23:04

Shouldn't Roxon be stepping aside from any comments about the Slipper afair, conflict of interest and all that?:confused:

Worrals in the wilds 16th Jun 2012 01:23

Don't be silly, fishies aren't such an emotional or high profile subject as whales and the evil Japanese.
True. Save The Cute Animal Syndrome is alive and well, unlike a lot of endangered lizards, frogs and similar that the average animal 'lover' doesn't give a toss about. :ouch: It's noticeable that several turtle and frog lobbies have been talking up the cute factor of those animals in an attempt to build donations. Good luck to them, too.

Conversely the cat, dog and horse lobbies all get very angsty about any attmept to control the massive feral populations of these introduced pests despite the damage they cause, because they're 'cute'. Guess Cane Toads wish they were cute too. :}

To be fair Sea Shepherd do their best with campaings about tuna, sharks and other not-cute but endangered marine animals, but they never generate as much attention as the cetation campaings.

Clare Prop 16th Jun 2012 01:25

My point was that, just like the Southern Ocean at whaling time, there will probably be no government resources actually enforcing this or stopping other countries from coming along and helping themselves to the fish.

Worrals in the wilds 16th Jun 2012 01:33

For sure. Unless they substantially increase the size of the DAFF fisheries inspector contingent it's all huggy and no substance.
All too familiar, in other words. :rolleyes:
Patagonian Tooth Fish fillet, anyone? :}

RJM 16th Jun 2012 04:04

To divert from fish for a moment:

From a letter to the editor, The Australian, this weekend:

"When Gillard was employment minister, she instituted many reforms to workplace laws. According to the foreman in charge of electricity line upgrades where I live, the amount of red tape and workplace safety requirements now obliges him to employ twice as many people to do the same job as five years ago.

Also, the new requirements now cause each job to take around three times as long as it took five years ago. The decreased productivity among electrical linesmen is a further reason for the 150 per cent increase in my electricity costs that have occurred since Labor took office in 2007."

If that is true, you have to wonder how Gillard maintains her position. When you consider her lousy political judgment even years ago - remember Medicare Gold? Gillard's backing of Mark Latham? - it seems that most things Gillard touches turn to shite. Surely, from any reasonable political perspective, she will be judged harshly.

Yet she endures - not so much through the force of her convictions, but it seems by an ability to ignore what goes on around her. Amid disaster, most of it Gillard's own work, she sails serenely on, disparaging everyone else and smiling at the cameras.

Gillard's apparent obliviousness reminds me of Capt Philip Queeg of the USS Caine (without the balls of course). In the book The Caine Mutiny, Queeg is more or less exonerated at the end, even praised for doing his duty as he saw it.

Let's hope that history is a bit kinder to the Australian electorate than that.

Andu 16th Jun 2012 05:33

"SIEV Charter Services wishes to announce the arrival of its daily charter boat. Passengers may pick up their Australian passports and welfare cheques - AS PROMISED - as soon as their initial processing and travel on to the Australian mainland is completed."

Customs intercept boat carrying 37 off WA
AAP June 16, 2012 7:47AM

A BOAT carrying 37 passengers has been intercepted off Western Australia's coast.

Australian Customs and Border Protection said they intercepted a "suspected irregular entry vessel" east of Scott Reef yesterday afternoon.

"Initial indications suggest there are 37 passengers and one crew member on board," Border Protection said in a statement.
An article in today's Australian (Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian) describes the promises people smugglers are making to Tamils willing to pay their way to get to Australia. "On arrival, they will get citizenship and R100,000 a month."

Crusader begs his people to beware sea of false hope

by: Amanda Hodge
From:The Australian
June 16, 201212:00AM

INDIAN authorities are searching for a second boatload of asylum-seekers they believe are desperate to leave the country's southern coast for Australia within days in order to beat the perilous monsoons.

A fortnight after police in Kerala intercepted a boat packed so tightly with 151 hopeful Sri Lankans they could barely move -- let alone lie down -- intelligence suggests another is poised for departure.

Worrals in the wilds 16th Jun 2012 07:09

Also, the new requirements now cause each job to take around three times as long as it took five years ago.
Have the accident/injury rates gone down though? Electricity is very unforgiving of errors. :eek:

Talking last night with some past and present construction industry participants (over rather a lot of drinks :\) I didn't realize that in the 1980s major projects used to budget for fatalities. They used to assume that a certain number of guys would get killed on the job and factored it into the planning, like bad weather. :(

Maybe I'm showing my age, but I think that's awful.

allan907 16th Jun 2012 07:25

it seems that most things Gillard touches turn to shite.....If that is true, you have to wonder how Gillard maintains her position.
Have you ever tried getting dog shite of the bottom of your shoe RJM?

bob johns 16th Jun 2012 13:08

bob johns
When I was an electricians apprentice1960--64 we did a lot of work for a medical professional who had been on two study trips to Russia.Many conversations with this gent got me in the shit with my boss as I was supposed to be crawling around in his ceiling getting covered in ,cob webs bird lice and dead rats/.and shit and stuff . This gent told me then (1960--3) that THEY WOULD COME IN BOATS --AND KEEP COMING !!! Wernt wrong ,was he ? And all we need is a gutless ,polically correct government and a blind, hedonistic ,Hollywood and sport obsessed electorate to sit back and get shafted and then squeal --Well it might be too bloody late The Department for the Destruction of Australia would appear to be in full swing And lets not forget -the Colt from Cooyong our own Andrew Peacock who signed us into the Lima Agreement I have eneough ancestors that gave their all for this country and I have tried to do what I could but the hatred I have got for this excrement that pretend to be my leaders cannot be described.

parabellum 18th Jun 2012 00:04

Another 1900 to become unemployed in Victoria & NSW from Fairfax - yup, we have never had it so good!:{

HotDog 18th Jun 2012 01:16


Takan Inchovit 18th Jun 2012 10:51

Sea Shepherd are ging to be flat out stopping people killing all those fishies in the marine parks all by themselves.
Suddenly I can visualise the Sea Shepherd cruising up and down the reef with all on board vigilantly looking out to the horizon for hapless fishermen, while their own bow mows down all the whales, dugongs and turtles in their path. The prop completes the devastation by mincing all and sundry to fertilise and feed the already abundant bottom dwellers. ;)

A bit like our very own 'far-sighted' Guvmint?

Andu 18th Jun 2012 13:07

A rather jet lagged looking Julia Gillard currently on 'Lateline' ('Ladeline'?) telling us that productividee is vidal to her Labor Pardy's plans.

Apparently susdainabiledee will be an important message she will be delivering in Rio.

CHAIRMAN 18th Jun 2012 13:32

And Rome will continue to burn whilst Julius:ugh: and the rest of the G10 keep fiddling the figures

Andu 18th Jun 2012 23:44

Follow our economic lead: Gillard

Dennis Shanahan reports that Julia Gillard has written to the rest of the G20 leaders advising them to pursue growth over austerity.

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

Pipe down, EC chief Jose Manuel Barroso tells Julia Gillard

BY: DENNIS SHANAHAN, LOS CABOS From: The Australian June 19, 2012 12:00AM

Ms Gillard's aggressive message was yesterday met with wide diplomatic scepticism and polite hostility as the world's premier economic summit gets under way in the shadow of uncertainty over Greece's future.
The woman is delusional, if not bordering upon deranged. "Follow our economic lead"? Would that be the 'economic lead' characterised by starting with billions in the bank, (left by her political opponents), and five years later, having accrued a debt so large it will take generatiosns to repay it?

The really scary thing is that 30% of Australian voters apparently still think this woman has some political credibility.

I find myself hoping that someone, perhaps Angela Merkel, will take the "opportunidee" to, in no uncertain terms, set Our Julia staright in Rio.

allan907 19th Jun 2012 01:15

Just goes to show that, away from the true believers and the ABC, Gillard is shown up for the klutz that she really is.

Totally, totally out of her depth :( Fortunately 60% of Australians already know this. :ok:

Worrals in the wilds 19th Jun 2012 03:37

"Follow our economic lead"?
What, grab a shovel? :E
Nothing profitable to shovel? Then you've got problems...:eek:

david1300 19th Jun 2012 06:34

THE PM has been publicly slapped down at the G20 summit by the President of the European Commission for lecturing Europe on how to solve its economic crisis.
In an embarrassing swipe at the PM, on the first day of the official meeting of leaders gathered at the Mexican luxury resort region of Los Cabos, EC President Jose Manuel Barroso said he would not be lectured by anyone.
"Frankly, we are not coming here to receive lessons in terms of democracy or in terms of how to handle the economy," he said.
Yesterday the PM drew fire from business leaders attending the high powered talk fest, after telling Europe it should take lessons from Australia on how to manage an economy.

PM Julia Gillard 'slapped down' at G20 summit by the President of the European Commission Jose Manuel Barroso | Breaking National News & Australian News | The Courier-Mail

I have nothing more to add :oh::\

RJM 19th Jun 2012 07:59

Gillard's lectures to the G20 are likely to be aimed at voters back in Oz - if so it's another example of the PM's office getting the strategy wrong.

allan907 19th Jun 2012 08:04

What was an internal embarrassment is now on the world stage. Good one Jooliar.

It probably was intended for Oz voters but all it's done is to increase the cringe-o-meter reading and affect the polls even more.

Talk about shooting ones self in the foot.

Worrals in the wilds 19th Jun 2012 10:46

EC President Jose Manuel Barroso said he would not be lectured by anyone.
Back in the boomtown days they were happy enough to lecture everyone else.
Remember what a bunch of big meanies we were for having the gall to enforce an immigration policy? Small town bigots because we had protection for our own produce (usually due to quarantine regs) and wouldn't accept their dodgy cheese and crap wine gluts at even crappier rates? :hmm:

Andu 19th Jun 2012 11:28

But proving she has the thickest skin in the business, Our Julia assures us all that Snr Barroso was not aiming his comments towards her.

Can you imagine the comments over the gents urinals in the executive suite of that conference? Peter Sellers and 'The Mouse That Roared' - without the capture of the ticking football - comes immediately to mind. The only problem with that analogy is that I don't think that today's RAN could muster a tugboat that would make it to New York harbour.

RJM 19th Jun 2012 13:20

Meanwhile at home, Fairfax Media - a bastion of Left reporting with subsequent declining readership is being defended against the spectre of editorial influence by share-buyer Gina Rinehart by Left intelligentsia like David Marr and Robert Manne. They, and Treasurer Swan, are demanding Rinehart sign a document guaranteeing the paper 'editorial independence'. Conway disagrees with Swan's concerns, but Turnbull seems to be on the side of the Left here.

Why can't the market decide whether a media product prospers or not?

RJM 19th Jun 2012 13:23

But proving she has the thickest skin in the business
Absolutely, Andu. More like a carapace, like a tortiose, than a skin. Plus she has a very effective pair of blinkers.

Andu 19th Jun 2012 22:20

Could this explain why we didn't have an "arrival" yesterday?

Cookies must be enabled | Herald Sun

Buster Hyman 19th Jun 2012 23:30

Have the true believers blamed Abbott for last nights Earthquake yet?

david1300 20th Jun 2012 01:35

And so it begins for us struggling in small business:

-----Original Message-----
From: Ixx Byyyyy [mailto:ibxxxxxx.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012 10:11 AM
To: [email protected]

Dear Customer,

We wish to advise customers that prices on custom cartons, corrugated board, stock cartons and sheets will increase 1.8% effective 1st July 2012.

Our major board suppliers have advised that this increase is the first part of major price increases as the direct and indirect effects of the carbon tax work through their business and the wider economy.

We regret this increase but remind customers that these increases are part of the Federal Government's stated intentions for the carbon tax.

Please do not hesitate to call me should you have any concerns.

Ixx Byyyyyyy

david1300 20th Jun 2012 02:15

This was posted on FB last night by someone who I have never before seen to make any political comment at all. I guess it reflects how some (maybe most) of the public feel.


Andu 20th Jun 2012 03:40

Today's boat made it safely to its final destination, bypassing Christmas Island. Because of "health issues" of some of the passengers, they will be taken directly to Darwin. (A more likely explanation: Christmas Island is over capacity.)

If health issues ensure a direct trip to the mainland without the annoying stopover on Christmas Island, you can guarantee that someone will be tasked with coughing up blood (or whatever) on each boat after today's arrival.

How many days is it now to the election?

Pinky the pilot 20th Jun 2012 05:26

How many days is it now to the election?
Too flamin' many, Mate!

bob johns 20th Jun 2012 05:31

bob johns
TOO FCUKING MANY .Its embarrassing to be an Australian .

Andu 20th Jun 2012 07:27

News just in - two boats today with a total of 129 pax plus crew.

CHAIRMAN 20th Jun 2012 11:53

Guess the crew will be up for a quick turn around then:eek:

SOPS 20th Jun 2012 17:13

So how many boats is it this week???:ugh:

david1300 21st Jun 2012 03:15

And don't forget about this
THE Australian-funded $300 million Global Carbon Capture and Storage Institute set up by former prime minister Kevin Rudd has squandered taxpayers' money for negligible results, ex-staff say.
And according to a survey of the institute's 190 members, which include businesses, governments and institutions from around the world, many were ''fed up with the lack of focus and fast losing patience'' with its work.
Undertaken in 2010, the survey, which has been obtained by The Sunday Age, found 31 per cent of all members believed the organisation was ''fast losing its relevance and must start to demonstrate greater value to members immediately''. Another 48 per cent said it had done a good job to set itself up but ''it's important it now starts to achieve more''.
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/06/16/...9232-200x0.jpg Illustration: Matt Golding

The institute's new chief executive, Brad Page, said it was now refocusing its approach, but conceded the original $100 million a year ''seed funding'' given to the organisation - launched with great enthusiasm by Mr Rudd in 2009 to ''lead the world'' in the greenhouse gas reduction technology - was too much for the fledgling body to manage efficiently.
''It's actually impossible to spend that amount of money responsibly,'' Mr Page told The Sunday Age.
Documents released under freedom-of-information laws show a staggering $54.25 million was spent on ''operational expenses'' in the institute's first two years.
Among those expenses were numerous first-class air fares for board members and lavish overseas trips for more than 15 of the institute's Australia-based staff to attend meetings in France and Japan, where they stayed in five-star hotels and were catered for by top chefs.
But for all its high-powered meetings, former staff and industry observers say the Canberra-based institute has never had a clear focus, and this has led to millions of dollars being invested in overseas projects that have been of negligible benefit to Australia.

Read more: Carbon millions squandered

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