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SOPS 16th Jul 2013 15:16

And report just in, another one capsized, upto 150 in the water.......several dead...:mad:

Ovation 17th Jul 2013 02:10

just to bring things into the correct perspective, it was the ALP that knifed Rudd because they were shit scared of Tony Abbott.

It was the ALP under Gillard that had to demonise Abbott because he held them to account for all their failed policies, giving him the nickname Dr No and painted him as a mysogynist, and made the political battleground one of gender rather than one of good policy.

The only thing these ALP campaigns did was to drag them down to less than 28% support, and so Gillard had to go. No matter how much the ALP would like to believe their own propaganda, the inescapable fact is Tony Abbott has the scalps of two Prime Ministers on his CV, with potentially a third at the election.

The next and current ploy in the ALP book of tricks is destabilising Tony Abbott by painting Malcolm Turnbull as an alternative leader and creating doubt amongst LNP voters. The ALP are even suggesting Turnbull should take a run at the LNP leadership before the election.

Now that Gillard has been dumped we have K Rudd as our (temporary) PM, they have reversed course at 100 miles an hour on Carbon Tax, apologised for the Pink Batts fiasco, renamed the Disability Support Scheme, plus a whole raft of policy reversals that may or may not happen should the ALP retain government.

And what about the FBT on motor vehicles? A back of the envelope scheme without any consultation that is likely to harm the already troubled motor vehicle industry, which by the way has made an art form of blackmailing successive goverments into handing over billions in subsidies to avoid lay-offs and closure. I believe their bluff should be called and they either stay and learn to live without subsidies, or go away and we spend the money on industry re-structuring.

So if the electorate is dumb enough to return Rudd and the ALP, expect more of the same lies, misrepresentation, inept management, crippling debt and reckless thought bubbles that will benefit no-one.

sisemen 17th Jul 2013 02:18


So if the electorate is dumb enough to return Rudd and the ALP
The current polls simply astound me. I would not have believed that peoples' memories are so short. It's only 3 short years since this cretin screwed the country and they want to let him have another go :eek:

My dear old mum used to say that 90% of the people in this world are as thick as a brick. It would seem that this is living proof of that.

John Eacott 17th Jul 2013 02:22

A couple of comments posted elsewhere:


Julia Gillard took over the the leadership of the ALP on the 24th June 2010. Leading into that date the Newspolls for first preference allocations were Coalition 40 ALP 36. At the end of April they were Coalition 43 to ALP 38. (where they are as of last week)

Now the 2PP vote for the ALP the week of Rudd's demotion was ALP 52 LNP 48. The end of April a few months earlier they were 50/50 (where we are now). So there you have it folks. The "bounce" in Kevin Rudd's popularity has merely returned him back to where he was at the end of April 2010. The only difference is he is 3 seats behind as opposed to being 18 seats ahead.

Deutsche Telekom in Germany is funding an US$8 BILLION expansion of their Fibre to the Node Network - which is the Coalition's approach for fast, affordable broadband in Australia. No doubt the Germans would be thrilled to have a visit from Kevin Rudd explaining why they have got it so wrong!
TD to step up VDSL expansion


Telekom Deutschland (TD), the domestic fixed and mobile business of German telecoms giant Deutsche Telekom (DT), plans to expand its fibre-optic/VDSL2 infrastructure to a further 44 towns and cities by the end of this year, TD head Niek Jan van Damme told German news magazine FOCUS. TDs VDSL network is currently available in around 50 locations across the country, offering broadband internet at maximum download speeds of up to 50Mbps, though the company is aiming to double theoretical data rates to up to 100Mbps through the introduction of VDSL2 vectoring technology. As previously reported by CommsUpdate, TD plans to invest up to EUR6 billion (USD7.9 billion) in developing broadband using fibre-to-the-cabinet (FTTC) and vectoring in its domestic market, and the operator was granted conditional approval to upgrade its copper network with VDSL2 technology in April this year.

chuboy 17th Jul 2013 06:06


Originally Posted by John Eacott (Post 7945205)
offering broadband internet at maximum download speeds of up to 50Mbps, though the company is aiming to double theoretical data rates to up to 100Mbps through the introduction of VDSL2 vectoring technology.

Meanwhile NBN Co is set to switch on 1Gbps download speeds to all fibre households this December.

Unless you believe the Coalition's spurious cost analysis, the capital saving between the two plans is negligible, if you also consider the superior technical capabilities of fibre to the home.

Honestly, the only supporters of the Coalition's broadband plan are the die-hard rusted-ons. Those Coalition voters who are in the know when it comes to telecomms rightly concede that the LNP's policy is a heap of dung at best. It's so bad that Malcolm Turnbull had to fabricate an absurdly large capital cost of the Labor rollout (2-3x what has been estimated independently), using the most contrived of assumptions, just to make his pup seem like good value.

CoodaShooda 17th Jul 2013 06:12

chuboy

What were the cost estimates used in the NBN Business Case again?

Buster Hyman 17th Jul 2013 06:31


It's so bad that Malcolm Turnbull had to fabricate an absurdly large capital cost of the Labor rollout (2-3x what has been estimated independently), using the most contrived of assumptions, just to make his pup seem like good value.
Sensible strategy. Considering how Labor generally stuff up relatively minor projects, 3x advertised estimate is rather conservative.

chuboy 17th Jul 2013 07:20


Originally Posted by Buster Hyman (Post 7945349)
Sensible strategy. Considering how Labor generally stuff up relatively minor projects, 3x advertised estimate is rather conservative.

Not so sure this is would be considered a particularly robust argument in accounting.

The $90b+ number that is oft-quoted in defence of the LNP's nonsense idea is not backed by any evidence whatsoever. Even if it were, the LNP did not cost its own policy using the same assumptions - but they compares the two price tags as if they did. Blatant dishonesty is peddled as fact, for no reason other than that it is the only way the LNP plan could possibly be viewed as a viable alternative.

I don't know how a level-headed, rational person can defend that.


What were the cost estimates used in the NBN Business Case again?
Does it matter, if the Coalition doesn't similarly cost its own policy?

Besides, NBN Co's costing has been found reasonable by both KPMG-McKinsey and Greenhill-Caliburn. Meanwhile, amateurs like myself can find inconsistency in the LNP's "costing". It's hardly commercially sound - in fact when challenged on its veracity all Malcolm could spin in its defence was that it is more thorough than an opposition policy usually was. Doesn't make it worth the time it takes to read it though...

CoodaShooda 17th Jul 2013 07:50


Does it matter, if the Coalition doesn't similarly cost its own policy?
When the question is the competence of the government, not a popularity contest with the alternative, it may have a bearing.

Fliegenmong 17th Jul 2013 08:11

Best they get those nice people that missed the 10 billion dollar hole last time round..... :O

Treasury wipes $10b off Liberals costings

The Coalition refused to let Treasury cost its policies during the campaign and furnished independent advice claiming savings of $11.5 billion over four years. Last week the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, relented to demands by the independents to let Treasury cost the work

Buster Hyman 17th Jul 2013 08:27


I don't know how a level-headed, rational person can defend that.
...and, at the same time, blatantly ignore fiscal incompetence from the incumbent Government. Remember, whilst some play with the hypothetical, others are considering the facts, ie; monies/taxes wasted!

sisemen 17th Jul 2013 08:55

Crikey Fliegs that link is from September 2010. I think we've moved on a bit from there.

Worrals in the wilds 17th Jul 2013 10:17

War in Australia; the only war that counts...
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/478...x2-700x467.jpg
QUEENSLANDER! :ok::}

Takan Inchovit 17th Jul 2013 10:34

Jeez, that Pyne bloke speaks good but, aye! Pity Abbott didn't have his talent.

Reminds me a bit of Rudd when he was grooming himself before he overthrew Crean, except sharper and more focused.

... and yes Worrza, next year it will be eight year olds that havent seen a roaches series win. ;)

Worrals in the wilds 17th Jul 2013 11:14


next year it will be eight year olds that havent seen a roaches series win. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/wink2.gif
It's like rain in the dusty Diamantina. Everyone talks about it but it doesn't often happen...:E
http://www.diamantina.qld.gov.au/
EDIT: Do we have to be subjected to Underbelly previews every frigging time Channel Nine broadcast a sporting event? That's right kiddies, never mind the football! Let's glorify yet another undeserving crim who achieved nothing more than a murderous trail of violence, gun running and drug selling. That's okay though, cause he/she's played by some really hot actor in a glammed up, music video version of events that were better described by the court reports of the day. :ugh:

Honest thugs play rugby league. :cool: Rant over, game's back on...

Worrals in the wilds 17th Jul 2013 12:11

So we now have our own rowing race disrupter back home. :yuk:
Some douchebag decided to run onto the field at the 76th minute and disrupt the State of Origin. Okay, so the right team won, but still...What a frigging feral. :yuk::yuk::yuk:

Still....Queeenslander. :cool:

Andu 17th Jul 2013 12:24

I've just taken a look at the Paul Murray Live Facebook comments in answer to his question: "How do we stop the boats?"

Those respondents on PM Live make us reactionaries here on Pprune look positively latte Leftish.

Andu 17th Jul 2013 12:25

Worrals, the Poms are trying to send the real boat race disrupter back here, but apparently, it might be against his human rights to do so.

Pinky the pilot 17th Jul 2013 12:29

Oh Dear, thugby...er sorry, Rugby. :ugh: And before you get stuck into me Worrals even though I'm a Croweater I don't care much for Aussie Rules either! Really can't stand either of them. Still though, if I had to make a choice re supporting a state it would be Queensland! :O

Still clearly れめmべr (blast this Japanese keyboard!!:mad:) remember the time back in the mid 80s when I nearly got lynched on the Seismic crew I was working on when I asked a bunch of Queenslanders ''Who the bloody hell is Wally Lewis when he's home?'' :eek:

How are ya Worrals btw

Fliegenmong 17th Jul 2013 12:44

Crikey Fliegs that link is from September 2010. I think we've moved on a bit from there.

I think we have moved along a lot too Sisemen....but I was just pointing out that Fiscal ineptitude within the coalition goes back a long way,...indeed as you agree..... :ok:


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