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porch monkey 11th Jul 2013 11:18

Fixing the policing issue is easy. Stop the political appointments, boot out the statistics gathering morons, promote on ability, and you can't be the chief without some useful practical policing experience. Give the police the power and support to do the job properly. Get rid of the bullshit paperwork, (statistics gathering) and have that time spent doing proactive stuff. Stop this assignment of resources to the areas judged politically important, and put it back where it belongs - on the goddam street!

Finally, let the poor bastards do their job. They are too afraid to do anything that might get them into P.C. trouble these days. Enough of this whiny arse, don't pick on me I'm a minority P.C. garbage. If I catch you doing something you ain't supposed to be doing, you can bet your arse you'll see the inside of the court room. I don't give a flying F2ck whether you're a Leb, Wog, Spic, black, white, red, yellow, Asian, Euro, Yank ,gay, politician, rich or poor, or any other goddam religion, cult or creed. You'll all get the same treatment, no exceptions.

Mick Miller was the last real police commissioner in Victoria.

There. Fixed it. Or not.

Andu 11th Jul 2013 12:01

I hope Christine Nixon doesn't see you post, porch monkey. The poor petal would come all over with the vapours at the very thought of such... such... (oh, she wouldn't be able to put such thoughts into words).

It'd be enough to send her running off to the hairdresser.

Or a meal.

500N 11th Jul 2013 12:03

"Mick Miller was the last real police commissioner in Victoria."

Isn't the current one from the same mold. Pulls no punches ?

porch monkey 11th Jul 2013 12:33

Ostensibly yes, 500. Having met the man I think he's the best choice there was. At least, I hope so, for the poor unfortunates still there..... The problem for him is all the other things I mentioned. And whether he'll be allowed to make much change. Make no mistake, his battles will be with the enemy within.

EDIT, sorry ANDU, not ignoring your comment, but Nanna can kiss my arse!!!!

500N 11th Jul 2013 12:40

He doesn't seem to have much problem tackling dead wood so far !

And not only taking on corruption but not hiding it either.
Both good signs IMHO.

Buster Hyman 11th Jul 2013 14:00

The force were happy to see the back of Simon the Likeable too...

500N 11th Jul 2013 19:02

It's quite amazing but I read an interview with Nixon recently.

Brushes off the whole Hairdresser / Dinner incident as though it was nothing.

Not sure I would like my whole career remembered because of that.

How she was ever appointed " chair of the Victorian Bushfire Reconstruction and Recovery Authority in February 2009" is mind boggling.

It was interesting that she stood down from the position in July 2010 !

Worrals in the wilds 11th Jul 2013 22:41

Porch Monkey...
http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/qjPgzAjK1ss/hqdefault.jpg
:D:D:D:D:D

Then do the same in the border agencies and a bunch of other law enforcement problems will go away.

The problem is that practically the only people who get promoted these days are the grovellers and time wasters who spend every hour working on their career and big noting themselves, rather than actually doing the job. :ugh:

Anyone who's actually good at law enforcement is seen by mananagement as a potential trouble-maker. Of course IMO the reason a lot of managers ended up in management in the first place is because they were really lousy officers, but that's another story. :}

Mick Miller was the last real police commissioner in Victoria.
We were incredibly lucky with Bob Atkinson. Also, for all their many, many faults, neither Premier Beattie nor Bligh pushed politics too much when it came to policing.

Andu 11th Jul 2013 22:49


The problem is that practically the only people who get promoted these days are the grovellers and time wasters who spend every hour working on their career and big noting themselves, rather than actually doing the job.
Hmmm... I suspect there would be some who'd say: "Not just in the police force(s)", Worrals.

porch monkey 11th Jul 2013 22:51

It's funny, (NOT!) worrals, but I don't know if you know how close to the mark you really are. A standing joke from some time past was that above certain level, many promotions were exactly as you describe. Some got promoted to get them and their absolute incompetence away from the operational guys. They're now leading the bloody charade.........

500N 11th Jul 2013 22:51

I would think that the ADF still adheres to having done the job well ?

I know that politics plays a part but you still need to have your shyte
together to be a CO of a Bn or Comd SF or a Brigade ?

And especially so over the last 10 years while we have been at war ?

Good old Angus Houston didn't pull any punches :O :ok:


If only Smith could take a lead from some.

500N 11th Jul 2013 22:53

Porch

The old, if you can't get rid of them, promote them :O

porch monkey 11th Jul 2013 23:06

Simon made all the right noises, but had a somewhat unfortunate legacy left to him. He was Nanna's right hand man, and was therefore at least partly responsible for some of her mistakes. Once in office tho, he couldn't overcome his own lack of real action, the infighting, and some of the imbecilic management he inherited. You'll note that new man has taken much of that issue in hand........ Of course, Simon also subscribed to many of Nanna's methods and principles. That assured him of a lack of support from the working end of the department, as the workers have seen first hand the effects of some of those policies.

One thing I can't work out tho, is the new uniform. I am all for a newer, more practical work dress. But to sell it on the principle that it will "make" people show more respect? Truly the spin meisters had a win there. There is only one way to win the respect of the public as a copper - honest, fair, but hard nosed work, help the victim, and mercilessly hound the scrotes of society. Don't get me started on what happens when you do actually get them to court..........

500N 11th Jul 2013 23:10

Agree re the new uniform.

Not sure I like it either but also agree with you re the reasons
for it not being quite right.


"Once in office tho, he couldn't overcome his own lack of real action, the infighting, and some of the imbecilic management he inherited."

He could have if he had wanted to or had the leadership skills.

Andu 11th Jul 2013 23:54


I would think that the ADF still adheres to having done the job well ?
500N, you may have caused quite a few cups of coffee to be spilled on quite a few old (ex)ADF farts' keyboards with that comment.

Would that it it was so. Unfortunately, it ain't.

500N 12th Jul 2013 00:04

Pity.

All though I must admit, having seen a ARA Inf officer spit the
dummy big time 3 days into a 9 day SF Officer selection course
- volunteer, not forced to go, it doesn't surprise me.

And to be honest, the first 3 days were just a walk in the park
consisting of an individual Navex, nothing hard.

Buster Hyman 12th Jul 2013 00:29


How she was ever appointed " chair of the Victorian Bushfire Reconstruction and Recovery Authority in February 2009" is mind boggling.
I actually got appointed to a role at that enquiry, then had the offer withdrawn because nobody cared to follow up my full disclosure of involvement in Black Saturday. "Perceived conflict of interest" was cited as the reason...didn't seem an issue for Christine though. :hmm:

But to sell it on the principle that it will "make" people show more respect? Truly the spin meisters had a win there. There is only one way to win the respect of the public as a copper - honest, fair, but hard nosed work, help the victim, and mercilessly hound the scrotes of society. Don't get me started on what happens when you do actually get them to court..........
Agreed, but I actually like the new uniform. Perhaps the perception is for people visiting the State? I don't know, but it always made me laugh that back in the day, the Air Force, Police, and Railway staff all had essentially the same uniform!

Worrals in the wilds 12th Jul 2013 01:38


I don't know, but it always made me laugh that back in the day, the Air Force, Police, and Railway staff all had essentially the same uniform!
I think it's because there are only so many uniform manufacturers around, and most agencies have an Australian Made policy. I know that at one stage just about every agency in the country was wearing the same navy blue cargo pants.

I hadn't seen the new Victorian uniform; it's quite American, isn't it! Anyway, as long as it's comfortable and can wash. IMO a new uniform often signals management trying to take a different direction, for better or for worse. Everyone else (ie the people who wear it) just tries to figure out the new sizing system and assess whether the new jacket and rain gear are better than the old ones (they never are :{).

Customs and Border Protection have also switched to navy blue shirts with epaulettes; they're obviously going through a 'we're law enforcment not public servants' phase. The previous uniform was devised by the Powers That Be in a 'we're public servants not law enforcement' phase and was intended to look 'friendly' :hmm:. I guess it's always important to look friendly while patrolling the waterfront, forcibly strip searching suspects and kicking in doors. :}

Likewise Immigration, whose floral shirts were a joy to behold. They looked like they should have been selling cosmetics.

dat581 12th Jul 2013 06:10

The new Victoria Police uniform just needs to be black and the officers would look like they have jumped straight out of a Police Academy movie.:E

500N 12th Jul 2013 06:27

Worrals

With the number of Customs blokes getting busted over the last few years,
they will never been seen as law enforcement.

I also read the other day that in future in some areas a LEO would
be assigned to work with Customs or paired with them ! That says
a lot.


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