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Flying Binghi 11th Jun 2013 04:42

Malcolm Turnbull is the disaster in waiting for the Libs...

Coalition asylum seeker policy: Abbott dismisses Turnbull's doubts on turning back boats - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)







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500N 11th Jun 2013 05:17

Had to laugh.

Someone suggested Gillard's dog would be the best leader :O

SOPS 11th Jun 2013 07:52

And it continues, two planes are searching for a boat, thought to be a week overdue. (how do they know it's a week overdue? Are these people publishing timetables now?) I know we have to go and rescue these IAMs, but just what the hell is it costing? Think if that money could go to Australians in need.

500N 11th Jun 2013 07:57

SOPS

A week overdue, today being Tuesday would put it in the same
"window" as the other boat that sunk.

And we certainly had enough planes and boats looking
all over last week.

Saltie 11th Jun 2013 08:07

The pundits are already talking up how difficult it's going to be for Abbott to stop the boats.

He really needs to pull off two or three very well-publicised turnbacks within days of taking power - if not on the day he takes power. It's a dead certainly that any boat arriving after Sept 14th will capsize or founder the moment an Australian vessel (or even aircraft) appears on the horizon, so, as others have mentioned before me, the Australian border protection authorities need to have a 'throwaway' vessel (or vessels) immediately to hand to load the asylum seekers on to. Alternatively, aircraft should stay well clear, (relying on radar only), and anything larger than a zodiac should stay well below the horizon to help prevent the asylum seekers from sabotaging their boat.

It won't be pretty. It might (almost certainly will) involve trussing up each and every asylum seeker and keeping them under close guard until well back into Indonesian waters so they can't sabotage the second boat.

I'd go so far as to suggest that some asylum seekers will self-harm, possibly quite seriously, in an attempt to be taken straight to Perth or Darwin.

I just hope Abbott's team have approached senior officers who have first hand experience of intercepting these boats - both Navy and Customs - ahead of time for suggestions on how best to handle a turnback with a hundred+ very unwilling returnees. They can't wait to start planning what to do until after the election.

Both politically and in sending a message to potential clients of the people smugglers, to have any effect, they have to be able to get it right with the very first boat that appears after the election and turn it, or at least its passengers, back without delay.

Ken Borough 11th Jun 2013 11:09

Abbott's mob will never turn te boats around. His caveat says it all: 'when it is safe to do so'. They will soon learn, even if they won't admit it now, that it will NEVER be safe to do so. Pity tat so many gullible Australians believe Abbott, Morrison and co.

Andu 11th Jun 2013 11:50

Is it a bit lonely there in hard core, rusted-on Labarland, Ken? I listened to the ALPBC interviewing people in western Sydney this morning, asking them if a leadership switch would change their vote. An amazing number said that they wouldn't vote for Gillard, but that they would vote Labor if Rudd took the helm again. (They don't seem to realise that the Faceless Union Men can ditch him again after the election for their second string puppet, Short Bill.)

There was one who said he was "labor through and through, and would vote Labor whatever they did". The other interesting thing was that everyone they interviewed spoke with an English as a second language accent. Every one of them. But that's today's Sydney.

Buster Hyman 11th Jun 2013 12:47

At least some of us weren't gullible to believe the "No carbon tax" or "Budget surplus nailed on"...:hmm:

500N 11th Jun 2013 13:00

Saltie

He could just hire one of the cruise ships or if really needed,
one of the Navy ships.

But I do agree, they have to ship some back asap after 14th Sept
as a "show of force" and keep doing it.

And block your ears for the lefties (and Greens) who scream !

Andu 11th Jun 2013 13:27

Gawd yes. Kleenex are increasing their Kleenex production in expectation of SHY's tears for the camera when the first Liberal boat (as opposed to a 'Labor boat') sinks/lists/turns around/springs a leak/is particularly overcrowded/whatever.

500N 11th Jun 2013 13:29

They had one of the Greens on the other day on TV speaking
about that boat that sank, talk about a bleeding heart and blaming
Aus for everything.

SOPS 11th Jun 2013 13:44

Interesting, for those that have not seen it
 
Rudd launching 'revenge jihad' as pollster predicts huge Labor loss - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

The interview with the labor pollster is very interesting

sisemen 11th Jun 2013 16:56

So Dullard returns to the scene of one of her "triumphs" and bigs up the feminist cause with ridiculous claims about abortion - not realising that the electorate can see right through her. One day she's going to wake up and realise that McTurden and his team of spinmeisters are actually not doing her any favours at all.

Still, one piece of good news - Western Australia has told her and Melissa Parkes (the Liebor MP for Freo) to go an fark off using a WA Government educational establishment that they were hoping to use for a fund-raiser on Wednesday evening. Dullard must rue every time that she sets foot in WA :}

Saltie 11th Jun 2013 21:57

While the Australian government uses actors to make advertisements to put on Kabul TV urging (suggesting?) that Afghans should not risk making the journey to Australia, you can guarantee that the audience for this

Asylum seeker documents journey - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

is somewhat wider.

One comment by Haider, the middle aged man who endured six weeks in detention before being released on a bridging visa (and not permitted to work), was interesting. "The first time I collected the money from the Australian government, I was embarrassed."

The first time.

Don't worry, dig. You'll get over that, as I'm sure you have already.

The last comment by the successful asylum seeker on the clip above says it all. Overlooking Sydney Harbour and the Sydney Opera House, which he is capturing on his state of the art iPhone, she says "This is a beautiful city. I am putting this on Facebook to show all my friends."

Translation, (to borrow a phrase from an old Oz TV game show): "Come on down!"

Worrals in the wilds 11th Jun 2013 22:53


Is it a bit lonely there in hard core, rusted-on Labarland, Ken?
As lonely as it was in hard core, rusted-on Liberal land when Howard's government got tossed out, complete with Howard on top (or at the bottom) of the pile? ;)
There are swings and roundabouts in politics, and both sides retain a core level of support however badly they misbehave. There are still about 25% of people in the community who believe the ALP is doing a good job (though I'm not one of them), so accusing Ken of being a lone voice in the wilderness is incorrect. Many more people will vote Labor even though they're not happy with their performance, because they simply don't trust the Libs. I'd be surprised if the Labor primary vote fell below 40%, though I've been surprised before. :}

Meanwhile, as for 'turning back the boats' I think it's going to be interesting to see how that works out for the Coalition. Short of sinking a few and leaving people to drown (and I know some of you probably aren't against that, though I can't see the Navy or Customs buying into it for a minute) I forsee issues with the practicalities, particularly with the boats coming direct from Sri Lanka rather than via Indonesia.

The last comment by the successful asylum seeker on the clip above says it all. Overlooking Sydney Harbour and the Sydney Opera House, which he is capturing on his state of the art iPhone, she says "This is a beautiful city. I am putting this on Facebook to show all my friends."
I didn't see it but I think you're right. Economic refugees, not poor, war torn peasants, and I wish there was a workable solution; apart from anything else it just delivers easy money to the criminals who run the boats. I just don't think the Libs will find the problem as easy to control as they're touting.

Buster Hyman 11th Jun 2013 22:58

I still think the best idea was the one where we would accept refugees from UN sanctioned camps, where their status as a refugee has been confirmed, in a two for one deal. We'll fly 200 country shoppers to the UN refugee camps & take 400 back on the return trip. That would kill the smuggling operation once word got out.

500N 11th Jun 2013 23:00

I wonder how much of this money they get given goes back to pay for more people ?

How come an AS has the latest and greatest smart phone ?

How about we put them to work from 10 - 3 every day doing
things for the council ? Not taking jobs, building things or
something.

God we waste money in this country.

Worrals in the wilds 11th Jun 2013 23:58


How about we put them to work from 10 - 3 every day doing things for the council ? Not taking jobs, building things or
something.
I agree. It's not good for people to sit around all day; that's when you get trouble. It was never their decision to be denied work. The government did that. :yuk:

Flying Binghi 12th Jun 2013 01:42

"...Itís an insult to every woman in the country who has forged a career on merit - not as some quota queen patronised and secretly reviled by male rivals.

Gillard is living proof of what happens when quotas are enforced. Incompetence is rewarded. Untrustworthiness is rewarded. Fakery is rewarded..."



PM spouts a load of femi-nonsense even she couldn?t possibly believe | Daily Telegraph Miranda Devine Blog



:cool:




500N 12th Jun 2013 02:00


"
Gillard is living proof of what happens when quotas are enforced. Incompetence is rewarded. Untrustworthiness is rewarded. Fakery is rewarded...""

+ 100

I hate it when people talk quotas. Not sure whether most women like it
but I do for exactly the reasons above.

All good for women to move on and up but please, on merit.

I notice that the Lib deputy Julie Bishop came out all guns blazing after Gillard's speech.





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