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owen meaney 11th Apr 2013 21:36

The illegals do the low level jobs that we real Australians don't want.
SAme as Mexicans in southern US.

Andu 11th Apr 2013 22:51

The illegals do the low level jobs that we real Australians don't want.
So that makes it alright, does it, Owen?

I'm told by people who should know that there's a extra nasty aspect to this racket where an immigrant gives a percentage of his wage to an agent to be given an off the books job as described by Larry Pickering. Many of these so-called 'boat people' have borrowed heavily, frequently from criminals or at least loan sharks, to find the fare on a people smuggler boat. These debts must be repaid, so quite often the debt is 'on sold' to like-minded individuals in Australia (all too often from within the same ethnic immigrant community - shades of the Italian Mafia in the US and Australia in the 1920s and 30s). The newcomer and his family are basically in thrall to these money lenders, forced to work where they're told to for whatever "wages"(!) they're offered, and in some cases, are forced into criminal (and some sources fear, possibly terrorist-related) activities.

In short, many of these poor bastards have jumped out of the frying pan into the fire, the only difference being that, now that they're living in Australia, the Australian taxpayer is helping to fund the disaster and the miserable lives they have not escaped by coming here.

I understand there has been quite bad weather in the Indian Ocean over the last week or so - even a cyclone. I wonder how many boats taking the longer route trying for the 'home run in one' haven't made it? My guess would be that if this sorry excuse for a government learned of any and thought they could keep it quiet, they would do so.

SOPS 12th Apr 2013 00:28

They HAVE lost control of the borders. It is now, nothing short of an invasion in my opinion.

500N 12th Apr 2013 01:09

Australia after the war was partially rebuilt by legal migrants,
often doing jobs Aussies didn't want or they were better skilled at.
And we are better off for it.

However, it's not migration / migrants / immigration
that people object to, it's only the illegals that come in
and get paid a fortune for doing it. Most people are
wondering WTF they work when they see this and
just say Fck that.

And then you hear the Gov't saying they can't afford
this that or the other infrastructure yet we seem to have
copious amounts of money for foreign aid, Asylum seekers
and such like.

Fcking put them to work while they wait for a decision
- in the outback, for food and bed only, no money so
we at least get something for the hassle.

500N 12th Apr 2013 02:57

"the best defence against these boats is kill off the incentive."


Buster Hyman 12th Apr 2013 03:01

Just speaking to my Malaysian neighbour. He's furious about the whole issue. Especially considering that he emigrated the correct way & paid his way. He also despairs that there are Aussies on the streets begging & the hospitals are a mess, but "these buggers" just walk in for free & get an "easy life".

He also wondered how there cannot be money for Hospitals, but they've found $114Bn for a train track to Brissy.

dat581 12th Apr 2013 03:21

The fast rail plan is nothing more than a red herring that labour hopes will distract the voters for a few days until their next ****up. Considering the topography between Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne is the worst in the country if you are thinking of building a high speed railway $114 Billion may be on the conservative side. And what's the point? With travel times of at least two hours for Sydney to Melbourne (most likely over three hours) a flight is much faster at a little over one hour and most likely much cheaper. If the ticket is priced to regain the investment only James Packer and Gina Rinehart will be able to afford it.:ugh:

True believers are already putting posts on farcebook saying Abbott has no plan for fast rail so Labour should stay in power. He has no plan because it is not viable and never will be with Australia's population density.

Maybe Labour perceives laughter as background noise now so they can no longer hear the whole country laughing at them.

Buster Hyman 12th Apr 2013 04:02

Whatever they do, don't let the Victorian Regional rail Link Authority build it!

90k's of track (plus associated works) for $12,000,000,000 here.
1,731k's of track for the MEL-BNE would equate to $230,800,000,000!!!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Captain Dart 12th Apr 2013 05:42

The 'upgraded' Melbourne - Albury track was supposed to be complete after 18 months. It is still not running properly after four years. It's a frickin' disgrace and apparently there is no one left to sue.

Saltie 12th Apr 2013 07:38

This arrived in my mailbox today from a friend who'd probably be quite comfortable with the label 'old fart'. I've seen it before, (or something similar), but it still puts things into perspective.

This is too true to be funny.

The next time you hear a politician use the word 'billion' in a casual manner, think about whether you want the 'politicians' spending YOUR tax money.

A billion is a difficult number to comprehend, but one advertising agency did a good job of putting that figure into some perspective in one of its releases.

A billion seconds ago it was 1959.

A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.

A billion hours ago our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.

A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet.

A billion dollars ago was only 13 hours and 12 minutes, at the rate our government is spending it.

Stamp Duty
Tobacco Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Income Tax
Council Tax
Unemployment Tax
Fishing Licence Tax
Petrol/Diesel Tax
Inheritance Tax (tax on top of tax)
Alcohol Tax
Property Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Vehicle Licence / Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
Carbon Dioxide Tax


Not one of these taxes existed 60 years ago and our nation was one of the most prosperous in the world.

We had absolutely no national debt.

We had the largest middle class in the world. Mum stayed home to raise the kids, Dad and teachers were allowed to discipline kids.

A criminals life was uncomfortable.

Boat people were kids sailing on the Harbour.

What the hell happened?

Political Correctness


or both?

Clare Prop 12th Apr 2013 11:32

Some appropriate Churchill quotes:

There is no such thing as a good tax.

Some see private enterprise as a predatory target to be shot, others as a cow to be milked, but few are those who see it as a sturdy horse pulling the wagon.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

We contend that for a nation to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile—hoping it will eat him last.

SOPS 12th Apr 2013 15:18

Now, this interesting

Crean scathing of Gillard leadership - The West Australian

Worrals in the wilds 12th Apr 2013 23:41

After his unsuccessful attempt to install Kevin Rudd as Prime Minister, Mr Crean said the destabilisation within the party would stop and Prime Minister Julia Gillard had his support.
Define 'support'! :eek:

Andu 13th Apr 2013 00:18

Since we've been discussing fanciful fast trains, let's maintain the train analogy.

It's like watching a slow motion train wreck.

The only shame is, that the longer it takes for that doomed Labor train to actually come to a grinding halt and for the dust finally to settle over the wreckage, it's tearing up a huge amount of track that we, the poor bloody taxpayers, are going to have to replace - and replace with money we don't have, thanks to the profligate spending and borrowing of this sorry shower of a (non) government.

I know it will never happen, but the best result for Australia would have to be for every one of the main Labor Pardee players to lose his - and maybe even moreso, HER seat - so that Labor could clear the decks and replace each and every one of them with fresh blood. Fresh blood that hopefully isn't contaminated with the stink of Union/Party corruption that pervades the whole sorry lot of the incumbents. (I know, I know, there'll be some who'll worry about what damage the Libs might do with such a huge majority. But let's face it - how much more damage could they do than this lot have?)

Clare Prop 13th Apr 2013 01:40

Why rebuild the Labor Pardee? They are a relic of the 1970s and are trying to drag us back there. They and the unions - in their form as big big business themselves but of course not accountable to anyone- should be disbanded and NOT allowed to rise up yet again. As far as I can see they have no relevance in this day and age. People who were fooled by their altruism disguised as "giving a shit about anyone but themselves" have seen through the charade and it seems only the hardline union people are hanging on.

Would be nice if Crean would just resign from the party and cross the floor, get rid of this lot in a vote of no confidence. Then, instead of being just another failed sacked former leader he could go down in history as someone who did something exceptional for his country. Not holding my breath though.

Still aghast at Bob Carr's remarks about Thatcher. He has been slammed in the UK news sites even by people who didn't like Thatcher and has made this country look really really bad, ignited cries of how dare he say that when Australia is "the most racist country in the world" etc etc and why has he yet again wheeled out his wife's ethnicity as some kind of justification for his behaviour.. A few commentators trying to douse the flames saying that as he was never elected by a single vote, he doesn't represent a single Australian other than himself and to ignore his virtriolic ramblings but the damage is done.. It would be bad enough coming from any politician, but the foreign minister??!!

Captain Dart 13th Apr 2013 04:32

WikiLeaks names Bob Hawke as US informant

Those of us involved in a certain momentous event in the Australian aviation industry in the very late eighties would not at all be surprised at the duplicity of this ALP icon, elder 'statesman' and 'silly old bugger'.

7x7 13th Apr 2013 04:33

Anyone studying Carr's actions since he emerged from retired obscurity and "became" (how else could you describe it?) Foreign Minister could be forgiven for thinking that he's striving, with all his might, to do on a federal level what he did to New South Wales as Premier of that State.

Both Rudd and Gillard have been described as having "the Casanova touch" (everything they touch, they f**k" - and in JEG's case, one could be forgiven for thinking that a bit of well-deserved double entrendre might have slipped in there). Carr seems hellbent on taking the blue ribbon for that by doing the Casanova even more thoroughly than both of them have so far managed to do. Although that might be seen by many as almost impossible, he seems to be going close to achieving his aim.

The saddest thing of all is to think that he might actually not be aware of what a total cockup he's been - and continues to be - since stepping back onto the world stage. Gillard embarrasses me every time she opens her mouth supposedly speaking for "Awstralya". I didn't think anyone could equal JEG in the constantly cringeworthy stakes, but Bob Carr is going very, very close.

Clare Prop 13th Apr 2013 04:45

Margaret Thatcher 'was unabashed racist' says Australian minister Bob Carr | Mail Online

AS for that Tassie bloke calling her a war criminal, well imagine if "hostile country" sent warships to Norfolk Island and tried to force the Islanders to leave or become hostages or citizens of said "hostile country" . Would we just shrug and leave them to it? This government would probably use the "do nothing" option seeing as they are only mere Australians there after all, and all our navy is too busy being a taxi service but in the Falklands case it was decided to defend the British citizens who lived there. It also helped bring down the military junta who were running Argentina at the time. Much has been written about the Belgrano and as usual the people who are making the harshest judgements weren't there. :mad::mad:

Andu 13th Apr 2013 05:23

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

Tamils flee for cash, not from harm

BY:DINOO KELLEGHAN, IN COLOMBO From: The Australian April 13, 2013 12:00AM

IN contrast to the weary boatloads of Sri Lankans making the dangerous asylum-shopping trip to Australia, millions of different shoppers are out in force here as the island prepares for Sinhala and Tamil New Year celebrations this weekend.

This year, economists noted a change in the spending patterns - lower-income people are spending more freely than the better-paid shoppers in the capital, Colombo.

The reason? The gushing torrents of remittances home from Sri Lankans who have gone abroad for employment, often making empty claims of persecution to leapfrog others who stand patiently in long queues outside Western embassies in Colombo to get a work visa.

The hunger for foreign money is intense in Sri Lanka, born of decades of dependency on remittances from those who went overseas legally to work, and the tens of thousands who smuggled themselves out of the country during the 30-year civil war that ended in 2009. Asylum-seeking has become a habit, unconnected to reality, and the trawler that sailed into Geraldton this week with 66 Sri Lankans aboard is simply a part of that economic pattern.

The number of Sri Lankans of every walk of life who have at least one relative in Australia is astonishing. Every doctor, every lawyer, trishaw driver I have met over the past two months after returning home following 33 years in Australia has a family member in Melbourne or Sydney.

Vicariously they will ask you where you have lived, whether jobs are not plentiful, whether life is not marvellous overseas.

Yes, you can find work in Australia easily. Yes, you get money there even if you don't work. People get free houses there, money for getting a baby, sustained help in finding work. Just a little bit of hardship at the start but everyone knows you'll get there in the end, and if you go in by boat as an asylum-seeker the Australian government just has to take notice of you, and they start looking after you straight away.

These are facts, and no matter what propaganda Canberra puts out to deter people-smuggling, these facts are good enough to make many Sri Lankans make a down payment of half a million rupees to a people-smuggler and pledge to pay the rest when they start earning in Australia, plus, for Tamils blackmailed emotionally by the Tiger-controlled smuggling syndicates, a dollar a month for "Tamil welfare" for the rest of time.
Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

AT least five people have drowned, another 53 are missing and 14 have been rescued after spending 24 hours in the open sea following the sinking off Indonesia of their asylum boat bound for Australia.

The 14 were rescued by fishermen in the Sunda Strait last night after the sinking of their boat with 72 people aboard late on Wednesday - 24 hours earlier than first believed by Australian authorities.

Habibullah Hashimi, one of the 14 men plucked from the water off the coast of Sukabumi in West Java, said he was in the sea for about 24 hours before help finally came. The 29-year-old said there had been 72 people aboard the vessel. All were ethnic Hazaras from Afghanistan.

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

HE nation must confront deep-rooted issues troubling Muslim Australians or risk inciting a "tectonic" event such as the 2005 London bombings, warns a British Muslim scholar embedded for three months in southwest Sydney's Muslim community.

Aftab Malik, 37, said a "sense of uneasiness" existed in Muslim Australia that he recognised in British Muslims before the July 7, 2005, suicide bombings by Islamist terrorists that killed 52 people, prompting a dramatic reassessment of issues.

7x7 13th Apr 2013 07:09

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

Australians answer the Syria jihad call

THE number of Australians believed to be fighting in Syria has doubled in less than six months to about 200, and ASIO is concerned that at least 100 are fighting for radical al-Qa'ida offshoot, the al-Nusra Front.

The Weekend Australian understands the Gillard government is preparing to ban al-Nusra, which has emerged as one of the most formidable brigades in the disparate coalition of groups that makes up the Syrian opposition movement.
I can remember that there was hell to pay from the government when an ex-RAAF pilot (PJ) came here in the early 70s trying to recruit some of the people he knew from the RAAF to fly as mercenaries for the Sultan of Oman against the communist Yemenis. But today, with 200 fighting in Syria? Not a squeak.

These lads are going to be a real asset to our society when they return to Lakemba, aren't they? They way Sydney's south west is already, they'll fit right in; maybe even clean out the amateurs.

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