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Clare Prop 2nd Apr 2013 05:08

I do wonder about the people who say she is importing "Labor voters".

Blair did the same thing with unlimited immigration into the UK ( and the human rights legislation to keep his wife in business) as part of the great Fabian plan but sucessor Brown got booted out of office.

I would have thought a lot of these people come from very -er- conservative backgrounds and would be unlikely to support a party that is led by people who embrace (and rather aggressively promote) lifestyles and ideologies that people from some religions (haha including Christianity!) would find abhorrent?

Because much as I dislike the policies that have allowed this situation to develop I don't blame one of those people who hop on a boat. After all why wait seven years or more, like I did, to do it legally and have no access to taxpayers largesse if it is all laid out on a plate if you come another way?

SOPS 2nd Apr 2013 06:56

We are being invaded. That is the only description possible.:mad:

Saltie 2nd Apr 2013 08:42

Clare, your argument is logical, but does not allow for human nature. In short, money and family will always win over ideology. So long as Labor will allow extended family reunions - (both officially and 'unofficially' via Christmas Island) - AND, more importantly, continue to provide the bottomless gravy train of government housing, generous 'compensation' for any imagined slight (see the current story of the Sudanese gang leader in Melbourne who's been granted tens of thousands of dollars compensation for police racist taunts), and welfare, welfare and more welfare, they'll get the newcomers' votes.

And don't forget Labor's propensity for damn near falling over themselves to grant the newcomers' all sorts of leeway to indulge in social practices that are totally unacceptable to the rest of Australians but, in the Labor/Greens unique worldview, must be allowed to continue because 'it is in their (the newcomers)' cultural makeup.

There is also the (admittedly only anecdotal) evidence out there that, under Labor, a blind eye is turned to widespread polygamy quite openly practised in certain newcomer communities within Australia. Only one wife is officially acknowledged, but second, third and fourth wives live - all too often as 'deserted wives' on deserted wives benefits - and all too often, each in separate government housing (I've been told that that is the one demand the social workers make - that the multiple wives do not live under the same roof).

There's also the anecdotal evidence of widespread multiple identities in certain newcomer communities , where one person picks up two or three CentreLink benefits under different identities, and this is again ignored in the main by the social workers who can't be unaware of what's going on if it is indeed going on.

I know that no one has yet proved this last point, but the stories about this are too thick on the ground for there not to be some basis of fact to be in them. Maybe there's a journo out there who could look into this? Kate McClymont, are you looking for a lead?

parabellum 2nd Apr 2013 10:34



So, was Crean playing an April joke coming out against tampering with
superannuation? Or is he continuing to position himself for a tilt at the top
job?
That gets my money, one last heroic act to save The Party before political oblivion.

500N 2nd Apr 2013 19:49

They were talking about Super this morning.

Julia will retire with an annual payment of $180,000 a year !!!

Andu 2nd Apr 2013 21:21

...fully indexed.

Andu 2nd Apr 2013 21:36

You couldn't make this up.

The racist menace? Muslims declare victory in fight over


Austria’s Turkish community claimed a victory in its fight against Danish toy giant Lego yesterday after the firm agreed to withdraw a Star Wars toy set featuring a mosque-like building inhabited by an obese, hookah–smoking alien, following complaints that it was anti-Muslim.

Lego added the “Jabba’s Palace” playset to its Star Wars collection in 2012. But in January this year the set started to provoke outrage in Austria’s Islamic community after a Muslim father found that his sister had given one to his son as a present.

Andu 2nd Apr 2013 22:35


The 2 days of April - here's the tally of illegal boats escorted to harbour by us so far.

THE HON. JASON CLARE MP
CABINET SECRETARY
MINISTER FOR HOME AFFAIRS
MINISTER FOR JUSTICE

2 April 2013
Border Protection Command intercepts vessel. ACV Triton intercepted a suspected irregular entry vessel west of Cocos (Keeling) Islands last night.

Initial indications suggest there were 81 people on board.

2 April 2013

Border Protection Command assists vessel. HMAS Maitland has rendered assistance to a suspected irregular entry vessel that sought assistance north-east of Christmas Island Sunday night.

Initial indications suggest there were 65 passengers and two crew on board.

1 April 2013

Border Protection Command assists vessel. HMAS Melville rendered assistance to a suspected irregular entry vessel that sought assistance north-west of Christmas Island yesterday.

Initial indications suggest there are 144 people on board.

1 April 2013

Border Protection Command intercepts vessel. HMAS Maitland intercepted a suspected irregular entry vessel north east of Christmas Island on Saturday night.

Initial indications suggest there were 58 passengers and three crew on board.

Border Protection Command has transferred the people to Australian Government authorities on Christmas Island, where they will undergo initial security, health and identity checks and their reasons for travel will be established.
Love that last bit.

4 boats, bringing 348 "newcomers", in the first two days of the month.

500N 2nd Apr 2013 22:38

"...fully indexed."

Of course.


And she will get another high profile job or two.

500N 3rd Apr 2013 00:49

$1.5 billion for the 3 MP's who have kept Labor in power
and now they want more.

No wonder we are short of money.

I can understand some reward for propping up the Gov't
but Jesus, that's $500 mil for each Electorate.

The mind boggles.

criticalmass 3rd Apr 2013 00:52

Julia's reported $180,000/year "pension" wouldn't even keep an asylum-seeker family in shoes.

500N 3rd Apr 2013 00:55

criticalmass

What do you / did they mean by that ????

Did someone in Gov't say that it wasn't much ?

sisemen 3rd Apr 2013 01:44

Given Abbott's pledge to hold an inquiry into the AWU scandal surrounding Dullard and if he goes through with it and if she's found to have committed a crime and if she goes to jail......


......will she still be able to draw on her pension??

500N 3rd Apr 2013 02:04

Got to love this article in the Age re Julia paying
$20 mil to have a film made here.

Mr Husic is a pollie whose seat is under threat.

"Mr Husic said he had been trying to get an MRI machine for his local hospital at Mount Druitt ''for ages''.

''I don't need 20,000 leagues of sea [sic]; I need an MRI at Mount Druitt Hospital," he said

Read more: We need health funding before blockbusters, says Labor MP

Andu 3rd Apr 2013 02:18


......will she still be able to draw on her pension??
sise, I've said this before, but it's worth repeating. No matter how damning any evidence that eventually surfaces might be, I don't believe the System will send JEG to gaol and nor will they take away her (assuredly ill-deserved) pension, for it would create a precedent where some future government might do something similar to some future ex-PM for political reasons.

You can be sure that if an Abbott government allowed such a prosecution to go ahead, deserved as many of us might believe such a prosecution to be, there'd be many who'd say that it was doing so purely for political reasons. I cite the 'maintain the rage' that was maintained - still is, to this day - by the 'True Believers' after the Whitlam dismissal as the prime example of this.

Sadly, no matter how ill-deserving of it she might be in the opinion of the vast - and increasing by the day - majority of Australians, JEG will continue to receive her fully-indexed pension and all the many perks of an ex-PM for as long as she lives, just as Whitlam and that sorriest excuse for a politician Al Grasby (who?) and so many other ex-politicians continue to receive all their perks to this day.

We'll all just have to hope that she'll get hers in full measure when she eventually fronts that bloke she doesn't believe in.

sisemen 3rd Apr 2013 02:20

Three "ifs". One you could possibly get around; two is in the realms of fantasy; three? - forget it!

criticalmass 3rd Apr 2013 05:47

So, retired politicians are therefore above the law? :ooh:

Saltie 3rd Apr 2013 06:40

Cookies must be enabled | Herald Sun


AN Afghan refugee who argued cultural differences led him to rape a drunken girl has won a bid to appeal against a 14-year jail term.

Esmatullah Sharifi, 31, ... pleaded guilty at separate hearings to raping a teen on December 19 [2008] and a woman, 25, on Christmas Eve. He’s been granted leave to appeal against the sentence for raping the teen…

Granting leave to appeal, Court of Appeal Justice Robert Redlich said: “The sentencing judge rejected any suggestion (Sharifi) didn’t have a clear concept of consent in sexual relations...”

But he said the 18-year-old victim had found there were “aspects of his conduct that were strange” because Sharifi treated her like a “willing participant”.

He noted that Sharifi, who came to Australia on a temporary protection visa in 2001, also drove her home.

“It proves, in my view, an adequate basis for most grounds of appeal that (Sharifi) wishes to pursue,” the judge said…

But in his sentencing remarks, Judge Mark Dean said Sharifi had gone hunting for vulnerable, drunken women to rape.
See my post #5197:


And don't forget Labor's propensity for damn near falling over themselves to grant the newcomers' all sorts of leeway to indulge in social practices that are totally unacceptable to the rest of Australians but, in the Labor/Greens unique worldview, must be allowed to continue because '"it is in their (the newcomers') cultural makeup".

Meanwhile, two more boats arrived today, with 117 "newcomers" on board - and some of them are being taken straight to Darwin. That's two boats each day for the first three days of the month. My money would be on the average for the month being somewhat higher than two a day. Maybe not 3 per day, but definitely 2 point something.

Buster Hyman 3rd Apr 2013 07:05


So, retired politicians are therefore above the law? http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/icon25.gif
No, just their pension.

Worrals in the wilds 3rd Apr 2013 08:58


But he said the 18-year-old victim had found there were “aspects of his conduct that were strange” because Sharifi treated her like a “willing participant”.
Nice to see that blaming the victim is still a popular concept with the judiciary. :mad: Obviously 'ignorance is no defence' has gone the way of the Tassie Tiger. Hey there's a thought; I don't 'have a clear concept' of the Tax Act. :cool::}


That said, just because he's been granted the right to appeal doesn't mean he'll get a lower sentence. Some appellants end up with a higher sentence...hope springs eternal. Mind you 14 years is quite a high sentence for rape, at least by Qld standards. Maybe not in NSW? :confused:


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