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JB Mods 30th Mar 2012 09:13

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Bit of a slide towards bad old habits over the past 24 hours people.

Letīs not end up the same old way huh?

Time to up your game a notch.

Only you can keep the thread viable.

By thinking a few seconds longer before you press 'submit'.

Hot tip #1: Deriding physical aspects of your pollies does not constitute political debate.

Hot tip #2: Calling each other names is childish & gets you kicked off the playground.

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sisemen 30th Mar 2012 09:19

And there was me thinking it was because I posted that I actually agreed with something Jooliar had done!

Anyway, thank goodness that post has been removed with all the rest - saves any embarrassment in the future :E

Takan Inchovit 30th Mar 2012 09:51

Takan slaps himself with a trout! Although comments on physical appearances made by pollies as reported in the media constitutes as a media set up, or political fopar. :hmm:

Worrals in the wilds 30th Mar 2012 11:24


Only you can keep the thread viable.
Thanks fellahs / fellarinas for not punting it into oblivion, much appreciated. :ok:

Although comments on physical appearances made by pollies as reported in the media constitutes as a media set up, or political fopar. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/yeees.gif
We're better than them. :cool::}

RJM 30th Mar 2012 11:55

Thanks Mods. We are in the middle of a particularly interesting era of politics in Australia, and it's good to get the slant on the subject of the mixture of expats, Poms and the occasional hard-bitten types who frequent these threads. :ok:

david1300 31st Mar 2012 08:43

I may have just discovered why so many left-wingers are so uptight:

French survey discovers far-right-wing voters have the most sex

Followers of Marine Le Pen's far-right anti-immigrant National Front top the frequency league, having sex eight times a month, while those of centrist Francois Bayrou manage only 5.9 trysts in the same period.
Right-wingers also report having had fewer partners over the course of their lives, with seven compared to nine on the left, but once again it was the extreme right on top, with Le Pen supporters claiming 10.

French survey discovers far-right-wing voters have the most sex | The Courier-Mail

So, there are benefits of being on the far right :O:O

david1300 31st Mar 2012 08:47

But back on topic. Who told us that The Carbon Tax would not cause prices to escalate? How do you think businesses will respond to these wage demands?

"Union backers of carbon tax seek pay hikes to cushion the blow

UNIONS that championed the carbon tax are now seeking wage rises to compensate workers for higher living costs - alarming employers who fear the new tax will fuel the cost of production and labour. The 39,000-strong Together union will factor in the cost of the carbon tax during enterprise bargaining negotiations with the Queensland government this year. Union secretary Alex Scott said the federal government's $8 billion household compensation package would not offset the cost of the carbon tax for all workers from July 1.

....
"These things (electricity prices and the carbon tax) obviously feed into what drives costs of living, and that's what drives unions' pay claims," he said.
Mr Mighell said his own union had recently secured pay rises of at least 5 per cent, and would not need to negotiate another enterprise agreement for two years.
Employers yesterday blasted the unions' claims and called on the federal government to repeal the tax.
The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry's director of economics and industry, Greg Evans, said workers should be demanding compensation from the government. "It's not up to business to bail out employees who end up on the wrong side of the carbon tax," he said.
"Business is in no position to provide compensation to workers. What this illustrates is the carbon tax is not only bad for business, it's bad for workers and it adds to the case why the carbon tax should be abandoned."
The federal government will pay eight million households an average of $10.10 a week to offset what it estimates will be an average cost-of-living increase of $9.90 a week - including $3.30 a week extra for electricity and $1.50 a week for gas.
But the ACTU wants Fair Work Australia to ignore the compensation package when it considers the unions' claim for a $26-a-week - or 4.4 per cent - rise in the minimum wage...."

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hellsbrink 31st Mar 2012 08:57

So, David, what you are saying is that prices will go up leading to increases in wages which, since they must come from somewhere, will lead to increased prices to cover the increased costs due to increased taxation and wage bills leading to increased wages to compensate for the increased prices, etc, etc, etc.........

Or, of course, businesses closing due to no profit because of increased costs from increased taxes and wage bills as well as lower sales due to increased prices leading to higher welfare bills leading to increased taxes to pay for the higher welfare bill leading to increased prices and lower sales leading to businesses closing and higher welfare bills, etc, etc, etc.




I do have that right, don't I?

Takan Inchovit 31st Mar 2012 09:54

You've pretty much nailed it HB, and others wonder why there is a bit of nastiness in our whole political scene.
It is like we are being run by a kindergarten group.

bob johns 31st Mar 2012 11:26

bob johns
 
Censored ? I m gone ! My dog is barking and I ve got better things to do with my time!

Andu 1st Apr 2012 10:54

Of course, thishttp://
will never happen here.


... right?

(Worth watching to the end.)

parabellum 1st Apr 2012 23:03


will never happen here.


... right?
What bothers me a lot is that whilst there is a will among the people to put a stop to 'Muslimification' there doesn't seem to be any will among the government bodies, be they Shire, State or Federal.

Lex Talionis 2nd Apr 2012 00:31


Hot tip #1: Deriding physical aspects of your pollies does not constitute political debate.

Hot tip #2: Calling each other names is childish & gets you kicked off the playground.
I agree completely.Physical appearance and speech patterns serve no purpose and have nothing to do with a debate on political ability,accomplishments or failure to achieve.

Only you can keep the thread viable.
Exactly :ok:

As far as the subject on protests by any group or religion is concerned it is not a matter of multiculturalism but of radicalism.

You can point the finger at Islam or Christianity in it's various forms but it is the radicals within those groups who are the problem.We need to filter out those groups who's agenda is not so much a religious belief but one in which they are seeking to gain control.
Northern Ireland is a case in point and hopefully the relative peace will continue and we will not see the deadly events again as we did in the darker days of that country and the UK.

By all means understand and be tolerant of anothers convictions but do not allow a small group to usurp a society in which they live for their own machiavellian purposes.

A society should have one law for all and in this case Australia that should include all Australians regardless of religion or ethnicity.

sisemen 2nd Apr 2012 00:41

Oooer missus.....


The federal government's primary vote is now at the same level which swept Queensland Labor from power - 27 per cent - indicating the coalition would win a landslide election if it were held now, a new poll shows.
In the Fairfax/Nielsen poll to be published on Monday, the Tony Abbott-led coalition holds a two-party margin of 57-43 per cent - a swing against Labor of about seven per cent.
Fairfax Media says the two-party gap has blown out from six points to 14 points in just five weeks.
"It shows that Julia Gillard, who seemed to be getting some traction in late February when Labor's primary vote rose to 34 per cent, is back in disaster territory," Fairfax says.
Bit of trouble there playmates :}


Physical appearance and speech patterns serve no purpose and have nothing to do with a debate on political ability
Unfortunately that little spat kicked off with Germain Greer drawing attention to Gillard's dress sense (or lack of it) on a national political TV broadcast. In itself not worthy of too much comment. However, when Tony Abbott gave an off the cuff reply to a member of the public within microphone range all hell broke loose from the left when he was castigated for being a misogynist etc etc etc completely overlooking the fact that, since his elevation to the Coalition leadership, the left have done nothing but criticise him for his dress and fitness antics. The archetypal political cartoon even has him routinely portrayed in budgie smugglers and a surfing cap.

So the issue became one of political hypocrisy which, in my opinion, is a valid political discussion point.

However, given the latest poll results it seems it's not going to matter in the long run - the public, as shown in Queensland, are not taking kindly to personal attacks.

Buster Hyman 2nd Apr 2012 00:50


Physical appearance and speech patterns serve no purpose and have nothing to do with a debate on political ability,accomplishments or failure to achieve.
And Religiuos persuasion Lex? Have we seen the end of the "Mad Monk" references on here?

Howard Hughes 2nd Apr 2012 01:12


I may have just discovered why so many left-wingers are so uptight:

French survey discovers far-right-wing voters have the most sex

Followers of Marine Le Pen's far-right anti-immigrant National Front top the frequency league, having sex eight times a month, while those of centrist Francois Bayrou manage only 5.9 trysts in the same period.
Right-wingers also report having had fewer partners over the course of their lives, with seven compared to nine on the left, but once again it was the extreme right on top, with Le Pen supporters claiming 10.

Oh poo, by that study looks like I am a leftie...:}

That's it, I'm shaving me head and getting a swastika tattoo!;)

Lex Talionis 2nd Apr 2012 01:26


And Religiuos persuasion Lex? Have we seen the end of the "Mad Monk" references on here?
Buster,it appears as though you missed the point of my post which was about religious tolerance and understanding that the problem is religious radicalism not simply different religious beliefs or name calling.

However,if it is name calling that worries you, as far as I'm concerned I would like to see the end of all name calling such as Juliar and so on.They only serve to inflame the debate and having the thread shut down (again).

As the Mods said deriding physical appearance does not constitute or contribute to a political debate.Nor for that matter do disparaging comments on a persons accent or dress sense.

Worrals in the wilds 2nd Apr 2012 01:34

27 percent, that ain't good. :ooh: They're pretty much down to close friends and relatives territory there.
I don't usually read The Weekend Australian, but they had an interesting interview with Bill Hayden about the state of the ALP.
Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian
It contained the following quote: "Federal Labor MP Shayne Neumann, whose electorate of Blair covers most of the three state seats in Ipswich, was stunned when not one person wearing a union T-shirt or cap would take a how-to-vote card from him on Saturday: "They walked straight over to the LNP or Katter.""

That's interesting. Of course, many people who describe themselves as Labor supporters occasionally vote Liberal, but they don't usually tell anyone. :suspect: Howard did well out of closet Liberal voters for years. In Ipswich, these people weren't just voting Lib / KAP, but making a big, loud statement about it. Seriously, how many people routinely wear their union clobber on the weekend? It's like getting around in a hi viz vest on your days off :}. IMO, these people were turning up at the polls and deliberately making a ':mad: you' gesture. And ':mad: them' they did...:ooh:

While I think the state issues were the overriding factor in the Qld election, there are similar issues facing the federal government, particularly with respect to blatantly broken election promises. Even a lot of people who are neutral or supportive of the Carbon Tax concept are dirty about that.

There are also the issues of integrity and empathy with the electorate; and the feds are even worse at this that the former Qld government. A lot of traditional ALP supporters see them as a collection of professional urgers who have achieved nothing more than building up their own political careers. Seriously, how many of them have had a job outside the machine? Being a trade union lawyer doesn't count, either.

The feds haven't really addressed that problem, instead choosing to distance themselves from the Qld result. The trouble is, they're facing the same type of problems themselves, and refusing to acknowledge them is just making people even crankier.


The archetypal political cartoon even has him routinely portrayed in budgie smugglers and a surfing cap.
I think the difference is that Tony looks pretty good in his budgie smugglers, so while it's been a constant point of ridicule it's more of a backhanded compliment. He's a pollie and should know better, i.e. always assume someone's got a mic somewhere. As for Germaine, :yuk::yuk::yuk:. Media tart of the highest order.


That's it, I'm shaving me head and getting a swastika tattoo!http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/wink2.gif
Let us know how that works out for you. :hmm: Of course it may be that Le Pen's supporters are overstating their success. Self reporting studies tend to be rife with that sort of thing.

sisemen 2nd Apr 2012 01:35


I would like to see the end of all name calling such as Juliar
Perhaps you could suggest another one Lex which has the same degree of appropriateness.

A gentle reminder.....


Lex Talionis 2nd Apr 2012 01:36


French survey discovers far-right-wing voters have the most sex
On a lighter note I would have to disagree with the survey results into the propensity of ones sex lives based on personal political beliefs.

If this was the case the population in China or North Korea would be a lot less or in Russia for that matter.It might be the cold that makes them want to keep warm with a certain activity or it might be the Vodka.:E

I think it was Dean Martin that said the difference between a...well unattractive woman and a fox was 3 whiskeys so it may well be the Vodka after all.

Thinking about it again and it was a French survey after all.:p

Perhaps you could suggest another one Lex which has the same degree of appropriateness.
Sisemen,would you like me to point out the broken promises of John Howard and that Tony Abbott has said that unless his statements are in writing you can't hold him to his word either.

Did Gillard put it in writing that there would be no tax?

I agree that like Abbott Gillard has on several occasions has shown a remarkable lack of political understanding.

She should go to the polls like John Howard did after claiming that he would never ever seek to introduce a GST.

The reality is that I don't think we can ever really believe a politician states so in the interests of a 'REAL' political debate I believe that we do without the name calling.


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