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RJM 28th Mar 2013 15:19

I'e neer understood how those old boys voted her even deputy PM.

I know she was supported by the AWU after she changed from the extreme Left to Labor Right. Was she a compromise candidate - the path of least resistance, or does she have Australia's biggest dirt file?

Worrals in the wilds 28th Mar 2013 20:57

I think the ABK principle applied; Anyone But Kevin. :E I also think a lot of Labor-leaning people (myself included) initially thought she'd be good.

Also, there's more to the government than Gillard. They've all backed the many unpopular and cocked up plans that Gillard is getting the public rap for. No doubt many Labor MPs are hoping that their constituents forget that. :suspect:

As with Howard's defeat, post election I'm sure we'll see a plethora of former Ministers all over the telly claiming they were railroaded by Evil Julia (in fact a number of them are already doing it via their leak networks), but the fact remains that they've all gone along with the cunning plan, so they should share at least some of the blame.

The media love billing politics as leader vs. leader, but that's not the way it's supposed to work, even though Rudd thought otherwise :eek:. If one more poppet tells me they're 'voting/not voting for Abbott/Gillard' (and doesn't live in either electorate) I'll scream. :hmm:

7x7 28th Mar 2013 21:43

Re Pickering's allegations about Gillard's "plan" to turn Australia into a Soviet - some would say they hope he's right, that she is planning the downfall of Australia as we know it, for if her track record with the other "grand plans" she's come up with are anything to go by, capitalism and this country is as safe as houses, for everything she's put her name to to date has been a giant clusterf**k.

Regarding all the Labor senior luminaries we expect to be trying to distance themselves from her after (what we hope will be the inevitable) "Downfall", I wonder if it will be a bit like Global Warming? Like so many scientists and media 'experts' who have attached themselves to the Global Warming bandwagon, so many of the top Laborites have pinned their reputations and careers to Gillard's mast, will they ever be able to afford to admit that there may be some truth in Pickering's allegations? That they were duped by a very underhanded operator with a hidden agenda? Even if irrefutable evidence were one day to surface, I don't believe they'll ever accept it. A bit like the True Believers who ignore that Whitlam was overwhelmingly defeated in an election immediately after his dismissal, they'll continue to push what's already become the Holy Writ of the Left, that Julia was "forced, unwillingly" to take on the Prime Ministerial mantle to save the "nayshun" from the inept Rudd and that she was unable to successfully carry out the many reforms she wanted to implement because the media and that dreadful AbbottAbbottAbbott would not let her do so "because she was a woman".

Watch this story get pushed by her adoring media luvvies over the next decades until it becomes "the troof" to many, in particular, the young, who'll be indoctrinated at school by our Left-dominated "edukayters".

sisemen 29th Mar 2013 00:41

Since the bloodless non-coup of the other week I've noticed a distinct spike in the number of letters to The West Australian and The Australian pleading for all to give darling Jooliar a break and that she's doing wonderful things if only she were given some clear air.

The whole thing seems to smack of a deliberate, organised, campaign.

Worrals in the wilds 29th Mar 2013 02:46

If you feel like a laugh keep a list of the names and see if they crop up regularly. I've been doing it informally for years wrt the local rag (for both sides of politics) and there are quite a few regulars. :suspect:

Likewise with proponents of scrapping fluoride, bicycle empowerment, anti/pro nukes and a number of other Causes. :8

Ascend Charlie 29th Mar 2013 03:33

Watching Miwwyunaire Hot seat recently, Eddie McGuire asks the question:

"Fill in the missing words from this famous poem: I wandered, lonely as a ......."

I said "Labor voter, Eddie!" :8

CoodaShooda 29th Mar 2013 03:38

I guess if the mods won't let them post here, they have to post somewhere. :E

I must admit I felt the Abbott heckler at the Forced Adoption Apology was a put up job too.

It's going to be a bitter and personal campaign. It will also be an insult to the intelligence of the voting public.

Worrals
WRT the benefit of the Fabian bringing down the labor pardy, I expect it would create a power vacuum waiting to be filled by a socialist party keen to pay lip service to feeding the wants of the burgeoning entitled class.

Worrals in the wilds 29th Mar 2013 04:40

I understand the theory he's put forward, but I don't see how it could work. They may want it to (though I think it's a bit of a stretch) but that doesn't make it happen. I get the feeling that Pickering will be really disappointed when the government get trounced and quietly go away. :}

Assuming Pickering is dead on the money, It'd just be the same ol' people so they'd end up in the same ol' place, I.e. with about 30% support. One of the federal ALP's major problems is that they're more lefty than the general population; same with the former Qld government. They've done a tonne of schmoozing and pork barrelling but they're still sitting on 30%.

Say they give themselves a new name; who cares? They're the same ol' has beens and they'll stay right there on the opposition bench. They're already paying lip service to the burgeoning entitled class and it ain't working well. :uhoh:

If the Libs don't cock up (a big ask:}) and Labor don't do some major post electoral remodelling, the conservatives could win the next few elections as they did in the late 90s/ early 00s.

Canning the ALP and replacing it with the same people rebadged as the Soggy Sao Socialists doesn't solve the primary problems these guys have; 1. being more huggy left wing than the average Aussie lefty, 2. being further removed from the average voter than Kylie Minogue and 3. being unable to run a bath, let alone a party.

Edit: re-reading Pickering I see he's not predicting that they'll succeed, so fair enough. Theorizing whiles away a holiday afternoon, anyway...:}

RJM 29th Mar 2013 05:23

Pickering's gone right over the top. Gillard and McTernan...

Andu 29th Mar 2013 06:29


Pickering's gone right over the top. Gillard and McTernan...
I have to agree, RJ. It doesn't bear thinking about, does it? Double dingo is a term that immediately comes to mind. (If that needs explaining, you're not a true blue or you've had a very protected life.)

Still, her hair has been looking a tad uncared for in recent TV appearances... (maybe because Tim's off on his chariDy bike ride).

Saltie 29th Mar 2013 10:08


THE HON. JASON CLARE MP

CABINET SECRETARY

MINISTER FOR HOME AFFAIRS

MINISTER FOR JUSTICE



MEDIA RELEASE

28 March 2013

Border Protection Command assists vessel

ACV Ocean Protector operating under the coordination of the Australian Maritime Safety Authority’s Rescue Coordination Centre (RCC Australia) has rendered assistance to a suspected irregular entry vessel that sought assistance 2.5 nautical miles north of Christmas Island this morning.

Initial indications suggest there are 41 passengers and three crew on board.

The vessel was initially detected by a RAAF maritime patrol aircraft operating under the control of Border Protection Command.

Border Protection Command will now make arrangements for the passengers to be transferred to Christmas Island, where they will undergo initial security, health and identity checks and their reasons for travel will be established.
How long before they start printing a daily schedule?

SOPS 29th Mar 2013 10:13

Why don't they just publish a timetable? :mad::ugh:

Saltie 29th Mar 2013 10:14

... but wait, there's more.


28 March 2013

ACV Ocean Protector operating under the coordination of the Australian Maritime Safety Authority’s Rescue Coordination Centre has rendered assistance to a suspected irregular entry vessel that sought assistance north-east of Christmas Island overnight.

Initial indications suggest there are 86 people on board.

Separately, HMAS Bundaberg also operating under the coordination of the Australian Maritime Safety Authority’s Rescue Coordination Centre rendered assistance to a suspected irregular entry vessel that sought assistance north-east of Christmas Island overnight.

Initial indications suggest there are 66 people on board.All on 28th March.

The vessel was initially detected by HMAS Maitland operating under the control of Border Protection Command.

Takan Inchovit 29th Mar 2013 10:15

It would be more reliable than one or two airline timetables I know of. :}

SOPS 29th Mar 2013 10:26

So, that ia almost 200 people in ONE day!!!! Please, can we have an election tomorrow, please, please.

RJM 29th Mar 2013 12:28

It's not all one way...

From the China Daily Mail:


He may no longer be prime minister but Kevin Rudd is about to again strut the world stage in support of an article for Foreign Affairs magazine on relations between China and the US.

Mr Rudd has scheduled trips to South Korea, China and the US as parliament prepares to break ahead of the May budget.

He is scheduled to speak next week at the Asian Leadership Conference in Seoul which has a theme of “Asia’s Next Challenge: Good Growth and Smart Welfare”.

He will speak during a conference session called “Diplomatic Strategy for Peace and Prosperity in Northeast Asia” along with former US secretary of state Colin Powell and German business consultant Burkhard Schwenker.

A spokesman for Mr Rudd said he would also participate in a number of other events at the conference, including the session “Challenges and Tasks of New Asian Leadership”.
Rudd will be followed to China by a visit from Gillard on a routine trade mission. Could Rudd be massing his troops again? If he is, then Australian politics has become... words fail. Rudd is after all a backbencher, the member for Griffith.

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 29th Mar 2013 12:34

Border Protection Command?.....what we need is Bomber Command.

sisemen 30th Mar 2013 02:06


Mr Rudd has scheduled trips to South Korea
With a bit of luck the first of the nukes flying over the border will get him on the head.

david1300 30th Mar 2013 05:13


Originally Posted by sisemen (Post 7768086)
With a bit of luck the first of the nukes flying over the border will get him on the head.

Sisemen, you're not JG is disguise, are you ;):=

Saltie 30th Mar 2013 08:00

I stumbled upon the post below on the Piers Ackerman site, posted by a person who goes by the name Scipio.

I have to ask those opposed to limiting this flood of illegal immigration ....why?
While I am not a world traveller I am not aware of one country that has not had very real issues when it comes to illegal immigration particularly the recent influx of Muslims.
Holland has an issue, Sweden has 'no go' areas for non Muslims, Germany, Austria and the list continues.
Australia now has little enclaves where radical Islam has destroyed what I would call the Australian culture yet other do not see this happen.
I am not sure when radical Islam started, I know it is only recent.
When you look at the opening of the Aswan Dam there is only Western clothing and a relaxed atmosphere.
Go to Egypt now and head covering is normal with women, in Saudi Arabia we know it is essential yet if a Christian choses to insist that Easter and Christmas be observed they are called bigots and racist.
Funny how a minority have taken over the thinking of the ALP and the Greens and left fear in the heart of many Liberals.
This reminded me of my own experience in Malaysia. In the 60s and early 70s, when I was there, I don't recall ever seeing a woman wearing the headscarf. (What I do recall was that the local women almost always had the most carefully combed hair.)

I know a (female) doctor who spent quite a few years living in Malaysia in the 1990s and she told me that she has treated any number of Muslim Malaysian women who wore the close-fitting head covering that has become almost compulsory wear for any Bumi Putra woman today, who suffer dreadfully from eczema around the neck and ears, where the head covering touches the skin.

I too get annoyed when I see Mo and his sons from Lakemba at the beach in shorts and t-shirts while all the women of their family walk dutifully behind them wearing half the Manchester department of David Jones. I'm also a little discomfited when I see an increasing number of quite obviously Anglo young women in suburban Sydney wearing the hijab. I can only assume they are (once) non-Muslim women who have married Muslim men.

I wonder how many of them fell for the old line so many of the Western flight attendants used to fall for in Middle East when I lived there? So many would fall for a smooth-talking Local and say "Oh, but my Mohammed is Different." It was so widespread that the term was turned into an acronym -"MMID".

And guess what? Not one of them was - which the girls ALL found out to their cost eventually.


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