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david1300 22nd Mar 2013 05:54

Drunk man 'wrestles croc'

Dark Knight 22nd Mar 2013 05:58

blind dog
No HB, it is Blind Freddy and the Drovers Dog

Needless to say they both are well aware and can see what is happening; presently out in the shed sharpening their pencils.

Interesting to note Tim is not around: has he been given his marching orders already or perhaps, is queuing at Centerelink for unemployment benefits.

Not much call for hairdressers though as too many 457 visa hairdressers around!

Andu 22nd Mar 2013 06:04

The difference is that this time even the most stupid member of the public can see through what happened,
If only that was true. I'm afraid it's not. I had a discussion with a work colleague yesterday (50+ male, Brit migrant, proudly 'working class', originally from Birmingham) who said that Gillard had not been given a fair go by the media to get the job done because she was a female.

So you see, McTernan is no man's fool. The misogyny line, as ridiculous as it is to most of us, strikes a chord with some. (This particular bloke (the Brit) has such a visceral hatred for Tony Abbott that I think he'd find no fault with Josef Stalin or Pol Pot if either of those individuals were put up against Abbott by Labor. Like most people who hate Abbott, when you ask him what Abbott has done to make him feel the way he does, he can't come up with anything more enlightening than "he's just a complete ********".)

500N 22nd Mar 2013 06:04

"Interesting to note Tim is not around:"

I noticed that.

Keeping a very low profile.

Maybe she locked him in the men's tool shed :O

"I had a discussion with a work colleague yesterday (50+ male, Brit migrant, proudly 'working class', originally from Birmingham)"

That almost described me :O

Solid Rust Twotter 22nd Mar 2013 06:24

Treasonous? Pickering does get excited, doesn't he...

Reckon it's pretty accurate. Putting her own interests first, to the detriment of the country sounds a bit dodgy to me. Of course, this applies to all pollies, but JG just appears to be more self interested than most. The average trough snuffler generally puts up a facade of giving a shyt about things other than themselves, unlike your current PM who appears quite blatant about her self interest.

Of course, our mob could still give her a master class in self interest without even trying....

nomorecatering 22nd Mar 2013 07:00

My long passed grandparents who were ardent labour people would cry if they saw what their beloved labour party has degenerated to. While I have always leaned to the Liberal side of politics, I have allways held a grudging respect for the Labour people of old who fought for what we have today, the ideal of a fair go for every one. Indeed, may of the old Labour ideals are also held by the right side of the political devide in this country.

However, one interesting point that has been said to me by people from both sides of the political ideological fence is that the current crop of Labour MP's has brought politics in general into disrepute.n I have never sensed such an air of dissengagement by the general public, and the under 35's in particular. The young are, for the most are not interested in politics anymore. This is sad, as both sides lose out.

Kim karr will be a loss, he does seem to be the only one that has any real talent.

7x7 22nd Mar 2013 07:14

Back in post # 5039, Andu said:

Gillard this morning only doing FM radio interviews, where she knows there'll be no hard questions. Shades of Rooty Hill... (The ALPBC said that she'd refused the invitation to be interviewed by them this morning.)
It would seem he's not the only one to have noticed that. Michael Smith News has this comment:

Apparently never one to shy away from a challenge, Ms Gillard has taken to the radio waves this morning to answer the tough questions from the tough journalists.

Following up on her decisive victory(?) Julia Gillard decided to take her message to the radio waves.

Don't bother looking for the interview on the ABC, SBS, 2GB or 2UE website. She went to TodayFM with Kyle and Jackie O. I believe that's the same Kyle that was involved in the questioning and ridicule of a young girl about her sex life but he can't be a misogynist because Gillard said she'd call it when she saw it.
The transcript of the first few minutes of the "interview" is cringeworthy.

MTOW 22nd Mar 2013 08:09

Let's hope Krudd does as he says he'll do and "zip", never to be heard from again.

Faint hope.

(Why does he try to sound 'folksy' with stupid comments like 'zip' and 'fair shake of the sauce bottle'? It comes across as being so incredibly false.)

I16 22nd Mar 2013 09:31

Still think that Craig Emerson and Julia are counting the dollars of their combined super for life.
Will the Gulfstream be white or crean? Monaco beckons to save a lot of tax.

Worrals in the wilds 22nd Mar 2013 09:35

MTOW, I share your prayer. Krudd 'can't remember' which union he was in. :rolleyes: Says everything that needs to be said about his labour values and general integrity, so no wonder his slang's a bit dodgy.

There is no mention of other qualities that we would probably like to see in out national leader, things like Compassion, Understanding, Statesman (a gender-neutral term), Visionary, Honest, a person of Integrity, Trustworthy, etc.
Maybe she should try that. We could all use a good laugh :E. Seriously, I think 'tough' is about all she's got, and I wouldn't say she's all that tough.

A tough leader would have punted Rudd back to the backbench as the Minister for Pencil Sharpening after his last dud coup, instead of giving him a prime portfolio and pandering to his every will.
That didn't happen.

A tough leader would have told the Greens and independents to put up, shut up or front another election with the ALP PR machine throwing its formidable weight against them.
That didn't happen.

If that got too hard, a tough (ALP) leader would have mobilised the union heavies (the real heavies, not the self proclaimed sort who get papped at the races with their posh corporate girlfriend :hmm:) to explain the principle more clearly and succinctly, as actions speak louder than words (particularly when said actions make a loud Thump :suspect:).
That didn't happen.

A tough leader would have taken the Carbon Tax to the electorate to get a mandate, and either sold it well enough so that it happened (a la Howard and the GST) or dropped the idea quietly/parked it on the backburner if the polls were barking.
That didn't happen.

A tough leader wouldn't have had to back down on legislation proposal after legislation proposal because her own party thought they sucked. A tough leader sorts out the numbers before touting the whole thing to the media, rather than after.
Actually that's not tough, that's just common sense.

There's nothing tough about Gillard or the Caucus who begrudgingly support her (this week). Her adoring Fookbook / Twit fans may worship the pixels she posts on, but the rest of the country has pretty much worked it out. I don't expect Gillard and her supporters to do anything for the good of the country, the party or even the movement. They're not people who do anything for the good of anything or anyone except themselves.

Collectively they are the biggest pack of soft handed, mealy mouthed, back stabbing wusses who ever had the gall to call themselves the Workers' Party, and they're gonna live to regret that.

Clare Prop 22nd Mar 2013 10:47

I had a chuckle over this letter in The Australian today....

It is politicians who should be regulated rather than the media
From: The Australian March 22, 2013 12:00AM

SURELY it would have been more important to have a public interest politicians' advocate than a public interest media advocate, as Communications Minister Stephen Conroy wanted.

After all, politicians tell more lies, make more outrageous claims, peddle more half-truths and slander, and cause more damage to our society than a media organisation ever could - even if it tried.

You see, if we don't like what a media orgainsation is saying we can vote with our wallets, eyes and ears. Media organisations, like other organisations, are subject to a vast array of laws that govern their behaviour, but politicians are subject to none.

They can run up huge debts on hare-brained schemes then walk away from the consequences to enjoy a taxpayer funded retirement complete with generous perks. Let's regulate the politicians before we try to regulate the media.

Hugh Macintosh, Bardon, Qld

Onya Hugh. How about a Public Interest Advocate to regulate those union people as well? They do seem to have a disproportionate amount of power when they only reporesent a tiny percentage of the private sector workforce.

(BTW wicked Rupert lets Richo have his say, the same old stuff over and over again, in this newpaper)

RJM 22nd Mar 2013 11:07

Clare Prop, that letter suggests something that should worry us all, ie that 'politics' is no more than a game; a sort of parasitic activity played by a privileged, self-selecting few on the back of the national administrative apparatus.

The rest of us watch it or ignore it, but either way we are paying for it.


Will the Gulfstream be white or crean?
A Freudian slip? I wonder what colour 'Crean' is?

Gillard and her supposed 'nerves of titanium'. Just as someone with no understanding of the risk has no fear, Gillard's 'titanium nerves' may be due more to her having almost no real compassion or emotion, like a robot. No offence to robots. Alternatively, she may just have an excess of ignorant, mulish stubbornness - no offence meant to actual mules.

PS - Union power:

Henry Ergas, The Australian 18/03/13:

But there is one constituency in which Gillard's efforts are guaranteed a standing ovation: the unions. And little wonder she is their darling. For, thanks to Gillard's industrial relations laws, the unions' aggregate income has increased since 2008 at 1.5 times the rate of growth of gross domestic product. The IR changes Gillard has announced will add to that bonanza, especially by facilitating unions' use of compulsory arbitration to secure control over issues such as rostering.

7x7 22nd Mar 2013 11:20

Do you ever wonder if we in the West are approaching some sort of major crossroads where the man in the street loses all faith in the System they live under and the leaders of that thoroughly corrupted System?

It's not as though it hasn't happened before. History is replete with societies that were once great but which were destroyed by rot that came from within. Like fish, societies start rotting at the head first.

Clare Prop 22nd Mar 2013 11:43

Yeah, the Roman Empire and the "Julian" dynasty...co-incidence?

Where are we up to, is she Caligula or Nero?

RJM 22nd Mar 2013 11:46

To continue using old sayings - perhaps a well-functioning society requires a bit of work, like a good relationship or an efficient business.

Too much tolerance of destructive behaviour will harm the society, relationship or business.

The Westminster system has evolved many checks on such behaviour, but perhaps those checks can be bypassed, or we may become too tolerant.

RJM 22nd Mar 2013 11:51

She may be Caligula's horse, corruptly elected to the Senate.

Andu 22nd Mar 2013 12:14

Do you ever wonder if we in the West are approaching some sort of major crossroads where the man in the street loses all faith in the System they live under and the leaders of that thoroughly corrupted System?
Last Monday's 4 Corners lends credence to that argument. The US Government has gone out of its way not to charge any of the high profile Wall Street managers who quite blatantly rorted the system and robbed their clients blind leading up to the 2008 financial collapse for fear it might cause problems or public loss of confidence in the US financial system.

Worrals in the wilds 22nd Mar 2013 12:31

But there is one constituency in which Gillard's efforts are guaranteed a standing ovation: the unions. And little wonder she is their darling.
Yeah? Which unions? Apart from the AWU via Paul Howes, which union has been outspoken in their support? Sure, Dave Oliver has come out in their favour but as National Secretary of the ACTU he kind of has to. Always remember that much as they'd like to think otherwise, the AWU does NOT speak for the entire union movement.

What other union has recently told us how great Gillard art? Most of them are either vewwy qwuiet at the moment or covertly campaigning for Katter. :suspect:

Clare Prop 22nd Mar 2013 12:57

Hmm, I think Bob Carr is Incitatus. Or maybe Nova Peris, if she gets "elected"

sisemen 22nd Mar 2013 16:27

Given the embarrassing display that we have witnessed in the past few days which has been the culmination of over 5 years of stuff ups perhaps we ought to be bringing in a system whereby the voting public have the ability to pull the pin on an under-performing government.

It is obvious that with the amount of brass neck that Dullard has, consistent opinion polls are insufficient.

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