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Worrals in the wilds 4th May 2012 17:36

Not that I'm aware of, apart from the double dissolution procedures listed in the Act. The parliament is still functioning and the government has a majority in the lower house.

Lex Talionis 4th May 2012 21:02

Did I miss an election in the last few weeks where "the public made it obvious they wanted Rudd" Mr Richardson?
I think if you have been watching then you will see that Richardson is no friend of Rudd.He has said a number of times that Rudd would and should lose the last leadership spill.
He has also said that in his view nothing will save Gillard.

He is saying that Rudd has more public sympathy and support than Gillard has and that is certainly true.This has more to do with the way Rudd was ousted than support for him as the PM.It does not mean that Richardson is supporting Rudd and in fact the opposite is true.

He showed he was not fit for office over the Oceanic Viking debacle.
You mean the Tampa don't you? :E:E

Worrals in the wilds 4th May 2012 22:03

He is saying that Rudd has more public sympathy and support than Gillard has and that is certainly true.
I agree (both with you and Richo), but I don't think there's a lot for either of them. The Bandidos have more public support than Gillard at the moment, and that's a shame. Being misguidedly optimistic and not a Rudd fan, when she got the job I hoped she'd be good. She isn't. :sad:

Nor has Rudd got the Caucus' support, and I don't blame them. By the look of it he's done nothing but leak like a boarding house toilet since they punted him. The traditional ALP way of doing leadership spills is...quietly. :suspect: Relatively quietly, anyway. You're allowed a book deal and a certain number of inflammatory guest speaker stints after the dust settles. :cool: Lucky blokes get a regular newspaper column. :}

If they don't want you, you're supposed to go and take your cushy 'thanks for coming' appointment graciously, not allegedly set up a desk with your ol' mate Laurie and start banging off clandestine media releases about how awesome you are. They even made him Foreign Minister (aka Minister for 5 Star Junkets and Meeting With the Stars) and that didn't stop the snivelling. :ugh:

He disregarded tradition and has been very disloyal by Labor standards; in a way his behaviour was more typical of the Libs. If his actions had been for the good of the nation or even the party that would have been forgivable, even commendable. They weren't. IMO it is patently obvious that Rudd only ever acts for the good of Rudd.

They can talk about his Queensland support till the cows come home to the Diamantina, but he was well known up here for being a tantrum throwing dirker even in the time of the Goss government, back when Gillard was still with Slater & Gordon.

I think he actually has more Queensland media support than public support, and despite what a lot of pollies on both sides believe; they're not necessarily the same thing.

gobbledock 4th May 2012 22:23

Keep on polishing.....
Labor keeps 'polishing the turd' to no avail. Only shite is beneath the surface.
If Australia's economy is so fantastic and 'robust' as the so called leaders reckon then why are they taking the axe to family benefits and cutting another 5 billion off Defences budget?? Australia's economy is keeping it's head above water care of mining. And mining is the only sector making money, everybody else is suffering more than ever.

Neither Labor or Liberal can hold back the winds of economic meltdown. What has Europe, Brittain and the USA been able to achieve in the last 4 years? I will tell you what - Nothing except for more debt and less fixes.
Peope just don't get it, the fiat system has collapsed in some countries and it is collapsing around the ears of the rest of the world, the system is beyond repair. Try researching Germany around 1920-1923, collapse of the Reinmark and hyperinflation at a time when everyone was saying the economy is looking good - 3 days is all it took and it was all over! No wonder they don't want to prop up the Euro, it would be a dead investment as it is beyon saving and Germany has been there before.

GFC 2008 was the start of the final stages of this worlds economy and financial viability. Think about it - do you really think corporate capitalistic greed, incompetent governments and printing paper money and borrowing will build a sound financial platform??? Jeez.
America entered its fianl stages around 18 months ago - Space program gone, troop withdrawls, all because they are broke, the pot of money is empty. We
have til 2013 maybe 2014 tops, the Euro is dead, the USD is dead. Time for the masses to wake up from their slumber. The USA snuck the NDAA law in over Christmas, has removed the 4th and 6th amendments and started building FEMA camps, the reason why? Economic collapse is coming an the government knows Uncle Sams residents will react like the residents of Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, France very shortly and will be rioting in the streets....

Tick tock tick tock.

MTOW 4th May 2012 23:09

I really would not like to Rudd back at the rudderless helm. The man's been a spoiler from the day they turfed him out.

Too many forget that the Labor 'faceless men', whatever their faults, had damn good reasons for taking the unprecedented step they then took - ditching a first term Prime Minister - because the man was hopeless, and no amount of gobblydegook from the mayne streem meedja telling us he has lots of support in Queensland (which, as a Queenslander, from my observation, is absolute codswallop), will change that fact.

eagle 86 5th May 2012 05:20

I might be stating the obvious - but most senior labor politicians and quite a few junior ones have never had a job outside of the union or similar movement whereas conservative pollies come from diverse backgrounds. I believe this is the basic underlying problem for modern labor - not enough diversity of thought.

RJM 5th May 2012 05:28

Well said, eagle 86! :p

RJM 5th May 2012 05:54

They even made him Foreign Minister (aka Minister for 5 Star Junkets and Meeting With the Stars)
Worrals, it looks as though the new Foreign Minister is enjoying himself as much as the old one did, and probably costing us as much. Here are some of Carr's latest tweets. Imagine being lectured by that pompous windbag:

Bob Carr ‏ @bobjcarr
Can't wait to immerse myself in Chinese culture again soon, even if only for a few days

22h Bob Carr ‏ @bobjcarr
Pt 1: Some Chinese media reporters got me talking about the Tang Dynasty - the time China opened to the world and the world opened to China (Thanks for explaining, Bob. We all knew that!)

22h Bob Carr ‏ @bobjcarr
Great press conference with Aus Chinese media today.

Bob Carr ‏ @bobjcarr
Learning to function on four hours sleep a night and reading “The Orphan Master’s Son”. (see note)

Bob Carr ‏ @bobjcarr
Last week in Washington, I met two former candidates for the presidency: John Kerry and John McCain. Both hugely impressive. (Give us a break.)

Note: “The Orphan Master’s Son” is a recently published 500 page (of course) novel by noted modern American (of course) writer Adam Johnson, a PhD and a professor of English (of course) about the existential problems in today's North Korea. No doubt copies lie pretentiously, but unread, on the latté-strewn tables of fashionable coffee shops from Balmain to South Yarra. If you are reading it, apologies. I make it a rule not to read novels more than half an inch thick.

gobbledock 5th May 2012 08:06

Bob the knob
And this:
@bobjcarr - Having a blast pissing away more taxpayer money on junkets and rorts, thanks Jules.

@bobjcarr - The trough is full and this pig has his nose firmly planted in it.

@bobjcarr - Why did I ever retire? Earning hundreds of thousands per year, first class travel, 5 star accommodation, limousines, expense payments, thanks taxpayers!!

@bobjcarr - Do I really look and sound like a freak?

bob johns 5th May 2012 11:38

bob johns
Does anyone know why Sussex St office of ALP in Sydney was known as boys town in Bob Carrs day ?

Worrals in the wilds 5th May 2012 12:07

Yeah darls, we know. :E
Not that there's anything wrong with that...:}

bob johns 5th May 2012 12:30

bob johns
Is embarrassing an old fashioned word when the leadership contains lesbians poofters, perverts ,and kiddie- fcukers ? Any way I am embarrassed as an Australian to see this shower of SHIT representing my country .

david1300 5th May 2012 12:47

@Bob & Worrals - no darls, we don't know :confused:

Worrals in the wilds 5th May 2012 12:57

What a great closet!
Just saying... I'd like a closet like that. Sorry for the drift...:E

probes 5th May 2012 13:01

With the extra function of being able to close someone in there? :E :cool:

vulcanised 5th May 2012 14:23

the leadership contains lesbians poofters, perverts ,and kiddie- fcukers

Wot, no incest or necrophilia ?!

RJM 5th May 2012 14:45

There's also donkey sex...

sisemen 5th May 2012 15:25

Is this the donkey?


MadsDad 5th May 2012 18:11

There was a brilliant bit shown on the box here last night of some Australian politician (unfortunately I didn't catch his name) being interviewed on TV and, when asked his opinion, said that he unreservedly 'agreed with the Prime Minister' on the matter under discussion. Unfortunately he also admitted he hadn't heard what the PM had said and didn't have the faintest idea what her opinion was but 'agreed with her totally'.

As I say I don't have a clue who, but obviously destined for high office (if you keep the same PM).

(Incidentally thanks to this thread I got the question 'Who is the first female Australian Prime Minister'? right in our local quiz last week. Many thanks).

grobble 5th May 2012 20:01

Who is the first female Australian Prime Minister
Shortly to become 'Who was the first female Australian Prime Minister' from the sound of it.

Captain Sand Dune 5th May 2012 23:11

And the end draws ever nearer.....

OPPOSITION Leader Tony Abbott's parliamentary numbers have won a boost, with Nationals MP Tony Crook formally joining the Coalition.
The West Australian MP, who has been on the cross benches, will sit with his party's colleagues in parliament from Tuesday, The Nationals say.
The move by Mr Crook, who has voted with Labor more than 30 times in the lower house since the last election, puts the Coalition's numbers at 72 members to Labor's 71.
While Prime Minister Julia Gillard still controls the house through her deals with the independents and Greens, Tony Abbott now has bragging rights for which major party has more members, and more discipline over Mr Crook's vote.
Nationals Leader Warren Truss welcomed Mr Crook's move today following the WA Nationals' central council meeting in Perth.
"After extensive consultation with his constituency and his Nationals WA colleagues, Tony has made a decision that I am certain is in the best interests of his electorate of O'Connor and the nation," Mr Truss said.
Mr Truss said Mr Crook's decision to sit on the crossbenches after the 2010 federal election had "raised a few eyebrows", but that the party understood he was simply trying to get the best possible results for his electorate.
Mr Crook has strongly criticised the Labor government's carbon and mining taxes.

gobbledock 5th May 2012 23:27

Our having an 'Australian Female Labor PM' is debatable. To start with she is Welsh. She has red hair and a gigantic nose and looks like a female Ronald McDonald. 'She' walks like a man who is carrying giant testicles, she speaks like a retard. Her 'partner' is a hair dresser and walks about 3 feet behind her wherever they go. She is a Liberal by her actions an she became PM by default (slicing a knife through the soul of the then serving PM) not by being voted in by the populous.
Her claim to fame in 12 months time will be 'the only Australian female Labor prime minister to get thrashed by an all time high election defeat'.
At 27% and dropping this mob of fools are finished, done for, toasted, history.
Hold onto your anuses boys and girls, Slugger Abbott is coming with Speedo's in one hand Work Choices in the other.

Andu 6th May 2012 00:24

It will be interesting (and probably, but I hope not, sad) to see how many so-called 'battlers' are lured back to voting Labor by the $820.00 education allowance bribe - (leaked early for maximum effect) - that the Duck will be including in the budget.

Am I the only one who finds himself wondering what role in public life our current PM will play after she steps down/is stepped down from her present position?

I have a suggestion, borrowed from my Air Force days, a position reserved for commanders who really 'starred' (not): Officer in Charge, Goose Neck Flares at Meekatharra.

Wiley 6th May 2012 06:20

Could not suppress a smile upon seeing Barak Obama's election campaign cartoon character - a red headed female named Julia - who lives her whole life dependent upon the government.

Do I detect someome with a sense of humour (and more than a little knowledge of Australian politics) in the US ad. agency running the Obama campaign?

It will be interesting to see if the Opposition here has some fun with that come our election campaign. May it be soon.

Takan Inchovit 6th May 2012 08:19

It will be interesting (and probably, but I hope not, sad) to see how many so-called 'battlers' are lured back to voting Labor by the $820.00 education allowance bribe - (leaked early for maximum effect) - that the Duck will be including in the budget.
... and with the other hand they are taking away the end of year reimbursement for edjamacashun expenses...... and the hefty carbon tax edges closer. :hmm:

Jools does not know which way is up, let alone forward.

Captain Sand Dune 6th May 2012 09:05

Ejumukashun allowance = KRudd's stimulus payment (or as I liked to call it - the plasma TVs for deadsh#ts payment) by another name.
In other words an oft used Labour tactic to distract the increasing hordes (one boat load at a time:mad:) of welfare dependant deadsh#ts, and provide an excuse of a justification for the true believers to trumpet the virtues of the ALP.
Bring on non-complusory voting!:ok:

woollcott 6th May 2012 09:48

I know I'm wasting my time but...............

Labor education bonus $820 means tested.

Liberal Baby bonus Up to $75000 non means tested.


Andu 6th May 2012 10:49

Yeah woolcott, I suspect there are quite a few of besides me on the right wing reactionary side of politics not happy with Tone's promised open-ended baby bonus. (I wonder if it's a core or a non-core promise? Hopefully, the latter.)

He's obviously hoping to get lots of the "right" kind of women (= Liberal voters) to have babies, but it's misguided middle class welfare at its worst. In my opinion at least.

Unfortunately, the only thing we can be certain about is that it won't be the only thing many people will find wanting in an Abbott government.

RJM 6th May 2012 10:59

Madsdad- It was workplace relations minister Bill Shorten:

...asked by Sky News Australia whether he felt the parliamentary speaker, Peter Slipper, should be allowed to go back to his job after being accused of sexual harassment and misuse of funds.

Aware Gillard was abroad, but unaware of what she'd said on the matter, Shorten replied: "I haven't seen what she's said, but let me say I support what it is she said." Pressed by an astonished presenter to confirm he backed his boss even though he didn't know what she'd said, he nodded: "I support what she said ... My view is what the prime minister's view is."

Andu 6th May 2012 11:12

... the same Bill Shorten who is regarded by Labor as the brightest of bright lights of Labor's future. Prime Minister material. God help us.

CoodaShooda 6th May 2012 11:24


It's bit like comparing apples with woolly mammoths.

The $820 is a bit of accounting chicanery to use up money not otherwise claimed under another scheme, without adding to budgetted expenditure.
Effectively buying votes while looking like you're reducing spending.

As with most labor schemes, Australians who contribute the most in taxes get nothing back.

The other is not an Education Grant but a Maternity Leave scheme, which is assumedly more expensive than the labor party's Maternity Leave. The $75,000 will not be payable to every claimant. I'd expect most claims to be between $15,000 and $40,000. How they will pay for it rermains to be seen - and I must admit I'm not a fan of it.

The only thing I like is that the Libs don't discriminate against achievers.

MadsDad 6th May 2012 11:32

Thanks RJM, that's the one. Just seemed stunningly inept, even compared to other politicians (it was being shown on 'Have I Got News For You', so they ripped him to bits).

sisemen 6th May 2012 12:57

There is another spin regarding the Shorten episode.

Apparently the day previously he had made a statement which made clear in no uncertain terms that Shorten thought that the handling of the Slipper/Thomson episode was on the nose. Gillard then bollocked him for it (as she was supporting Slipper and Thomson because of their votes) because she wanted unity and support on the issue.

Then, when asked about it on Sky news, Shorten basically said "She's made the decision. It's down to her and I'm not allowed to have an opinion" and did it in such a way that it made her look like a dill.

Unfortunately the law of unintended consequences took over and Shorten is now wearing it.

So, maybe he is the smart one after all. Just needs a little more work.

galdian 6th May 2012 13:22

OK playtime, bearing in mind labor are f**cked regardless of whom the leader is in present mindset; what if....

a senior, long term labor MoP (who will get his full privileges regardless of fallout, and lets call him SC for the exercise) came out and said (and fill out the politic speak as desired:

{- I am SC;
- I will challenge leadership in 10-14 days;
- it is clear by polls our carbon tax are NOT the will of the people whom we allegedly represent, not dictate to (yet);
- it is clear that many question the NBN Vs wireless on cost and technology is questionable;
- it is not unfair to say that almost everything we have touched has been a f**kup, maybe good ideas - piss poor implementation.

IF I defeat JG in the vote:
- carbon tax...gone:
- NBN slowed down, wireless preferred and aggressively assessed;
- no more "announcements" where not considered regards funding and implementation.

It simply comes down to whether Australia is best being served by present "like or lump it or f**k off" attitude of the government...
or Labor are content to destroy this country as well as become politically irrelevant for years, decades..."
or Labor want to have ANY chance of retaining Federal government at the next election..."

Members of the caucus can decide the options...}

Just a thought

sisemen 6th May 2012 13:34

Labor are content to destroy this country
It's in their manifesto.

Worrals in the wilds 6th May 2012 13:54

Glass of decent spirit on the aforementioned SC. Never thought I'd be saying that...:\
It's always about the Party. From the sunshine state; what Party? The one that fits in a Tarago? Maybe SCs got it but the rest of the Canberra mob are still living in lollipop land. :E

Anyway, red walking shoes are ready. You may have done your best to :mad: the movement for your own personal gain fellahs (and fellahrinas) but we'll be there to remind you of your ugly bogan roots tomorrow. Badly dressed, badly marching and badly behaved as always. :cool:

Get with the programme or get out of the crossfire, because you're looking very irrelevant.

Workers, united, will never be defeated. Uni wankers, rorters, faceless men and wannabe players best stand off to one side, because you aren't workers and you certainly aren't welcome:yuk:. You've done enough damage already...let us pick up the pieces and stand up and be counted, without any big fancy dinners and added 'entertainment' packages at the members' expense. :yuk:

Let us stand up against Clive and Gina, against Work Choices, against all the Libs who think we're :mad:wits and too stupid to see through their BS, just because we don't want to be managers or OH&S advisors. The fact that we also see through the uniLabor BS doesn't mean that we automatically support the Libs and pin everthing on the hope they'll be good to us.

:mad: you, federal pollies. You all suck. If I see you at the RNA tomorrow I'll be happy to tell you in person.

MadsDad 6th May 2012 14:31

Sisemen. Never thought of that slant but makes sense.

And Worrals. Don't know a thing about the politics in your place but as to your last post. :ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:

The politicians here, of both sides, seem to be just too stupid to recognise that they are regarded as dirt. Not quite as low as bankers but bloody close. By everybody. Replace a couple of part/pol names in your message and it applies here as much as there (and, I suspect, in every country on Earth). Thank you for your message. :D

Andu 7th May 2012 02:20

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

Weekend arrival of 243 boatpeople dashes hopes of lull
BY: HARRY EDWARDS From: The Australian May 07, 2012 12:00AM

AUTHORITIES intercepted two boats carrying asylum-seekers yesterday as April's spike in the number of people seeking entry by boat continues.

The vessels were intercepted north of Christmas Island in separate operations by HMAS Wollongong, responding to calls for assistance. The first vessel carried 103 asylum-seekers and two crew while the second carried 138 passengers.
If you want to get into surplus by 2013 as promised Wayne, you'd better find another 2 or 3 mill in savings to cover just one day's ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT arrivals. Why not take it from the Defence Forces? They'll hardly notice another 3 mill from the 5 billion you've already taken from them. As you focus groups have told you, there're no lost votes in stripping Defence of funding.

This country is a living, breathing, contemporary example of Kipling's classic poem 'Tommy Atkins'.

RJM 7th May 2012 02:48

This country is a living, breathing, contemporary example of Kipling's classic poem 'Tommy Atkins'.
I'm not in the ADF, but it seems to me that there is a link between morale and defence funding. They'll reap what they sow there.

Pinky the pilot 7th May 2012 03:49

I think that the next session of Parliament is going to be especially rowdy.
I can't wait!!:E:E

The beginning of the end perhaps?

Worrals; :ok::ok: Feel a little better now?:D

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