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CoodaShooda 25th Mar 2012 12:47

Worrals or Fleigs, you can correct me on this but I was under the belief that the polls have not been formally declared yet?

So Anna has resigned from a position she doesn't yet hold?

It would be neater to simply treat her as a withdrawal, albeit late in the process and reallocate her votes according to preferences.

But I guess that would be too easy.

Worrals in the wilds 25th Mar 2012 12:56

She had declared it. According to someone on the TV that was why she was quite late making the defeat speech; it wasn't until then that she was sure of her own seat.
Only a few seats are still in doubt and IIRC that was the case at close of counting last night.
Seats in Doubt - Queensland Votes 2012 - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

sisemen 25th Mar 2012 14:12

Woo Hoo! Back in Oz and accessa to halfway decent media. NZ is great but the print and TV media are very parochial; eventually one gets fed up about reading about lost cats and rugby (apologies to any Kiwis :O)

The one really, really good thing that has come out of the Queensland elections is that the Watermelons have gone backwards. Unfortunately I haven't seen or read anything from that lot trying to explain away these, ahem, "unfortunate" circumstances. Hopefully, this will transpose into a wipe out for them in the Federal election (along with the ALP).

Solid Rust Twotter 25th Mar 2012 14:31

Not always a good thing to have a weak opposition, Mr Sisemen. Our lot seem to think a strong ruling party with a huge majority is good for the country. They have yet to realise it gives the regime licence to ride roughshod over the rule of law and basically do as they please with no comebacks. Any attempt by the opposition to counter this is met with scathing attacks and mobilisation of their supporters to make things difficult for those who oppose them. Zim is just a more extreme example of what is happening here.

The only way to keep any govt honest(sic) is to constantly be on their case when they lose sight of what's good for the country and do only what's good for themselves.

sisemen 25th Mar 2012 14:39

See post 413 SRT

Solid Rust Twotter 25th Mar 2012 15:03

Mea culpa. There's a lot to be said for an electorate who don't vote along tribal or racial lines, but instead will hopefully do what's right for the country.

RJM 25th Mar 2012 17:24

...which may not apply in Qld, SRT. It's a different country there.

Takan Inchovit 25th Mar 2012 21:53


It's a different country there.
Too true, we find it hard to put up with crap from anybody.

Worrals in the wilds 25th Mar 2012 22:45

I don't think there was any great altruistic motive as far as 'good of the country' goes. Abbott and some commentators are saying federal issues played a significant part in the result, but I don't think that was the case; everything I heard leading up to the day was pretty much anti state government.

The targets varied, for some people it was Bligh, some Fraser, Lucas also would have copped it had he not sensibly bought a hawaiian shirt and a large suitcase. :cool:For some people it was particular departments or their facilities (particularly health, derm and public transport), for others (myself included) it was asset sales. Around Logan and the Gold Coast it was law and order. In Brisbane it was public transport costs. Around Beaudesert it was CSG exploration. Everyone was cranky about something, and it was all state stuff.

I didn't hear much about federal issues. I think people are saving it all up for the federal election, but I don't see the same level of anger about the Feds that was really apparent with a lot of people when they discussed the state government.

parabellum 25th Mar 2012 22:50

I think when people start to see the effect of the carbon tax on them, i.e. price rises, they will get pretty angry, just how high can electricity charges go?

eagle 86 26th Mar 2012 00:30

Fox News exit polls show that 40% stated that the carbon tax was a factor.
GAGS
E86

Worrals in the wilds 26th Mar 2012 01:09

The polls said Newman would lose, too...:E D
I think a lot of people agree with whatever is put to them in exit polls.

Like I said, I may be wrong. I had a fairly 'robust' discussion on the night about it with a couple of friends. What's the next big election? Should be interesting to watch.

Frank Arouet 26th Mar 2012 01:51

A by-election could be worth watching also.

I understand this may happen to co-incide with the Brisbane City elections and the ALP intend to parachute a candidate from another electorate that same person lost. The seat is now marginal.

CoodaShooda 26th Mar 2012 04:51

The Northern Territory goes to the polls in August.

We've currently got a hung parliament with the independent supporting labor.

Not sure which way it will go. There's a couple of retiring members and only 4,000 odd voters in each electorate. (Yes I mean odd in both senses :E)

The place has gone to shit under labor and the bipartisan federal intervention - but the opposition Country Liberal Party has done nothing to capitalise on it.

My gut feel is that incumbency and voter apathy will be the major influences on the outcome - unless we all join the G.R.O.G. party and send a message to Canberra.

Worrals in the wilds 26th Mar 2012 05:18


I understand this may happen to co-incide with the Brisbane City elections and the ALP intend to parachute a candidate from another electorate that same person lost. The seat is now marginal.
And looking uglier by the hour (for the ALP) if they go to a by election.

Cameron Dick will not run for Labor in Anna Bligh's seat of South Brisbane | Latest Queensland state election 2012 coverage from The Courier-Mail | The Courier-Mail
If the leak to the CM is to be believed (and both sides constantly moan that it's a propaganda rag for the other
:hmm:), the factions are fiddling while the Qld ALP burns. However, South Brisbane is about as trendy leftie as Brisbane gets, and many people (even conservatives) are concerned about the huge LNP majority, so...

Cooda, is the opposition in NT looking faintly exciting, or is it same-old same-old? This was the first Qld election in ages where a lot of people noticed that there was an opposition...:E

CoodaShooda 26th Mar 2012 05:47

Worrals

About as exciting as a moth-eaten, beige cardigan with threadbare elbows.

Still living on the laurels it hasn't earned since 1990 (and which had rotted away by 2001).

MTOW 26th Mar 2012 05:58

The Queensland result has sealed Gillard's fate - she will now not lead Labor into the next election, for now, even the Labor spin doctors cannot deny the fact that all but the most rusted-on Laborites in the electorate simply will not believe ANY promise Gillard makes in the next election.

So, six months before the election cannot be put off any more, she will develop a "health problem" or some other plausible reason to step down (or, more accurately, 'be stepped down') and the almost as dreadful alternative, Bob Carr, will be elevated to take her place in the Lodge.

God help us all if enough voters fall for this sleight of hand.

Worrals in the wilds 26th Mar 2012 06:04

Roger re the NT, ta.

Would you all like a Katter up there? :E Either the mark one edition or a replica (apparently there are a few spares even after the Isa victory).

One could be 'parachuted' in (gotta pay homage to the latest political buzzword :}). If it were the original, he'd probably literally parachute in while wrestling a croc or something.

One thing you can say about the Mad Katter, he's not boring and always gets himself on the Telly. Being completely bananas is a bit of a setback, but at least he's enthusiastic about it. :\

Solid Rust Twotter 26th Mar 2012 06:26

Worrals


I don't think there was any great altruistic motive as far as 'good of the country' goes. Abbott and some commentators are saying federal issues played a significant part in the result, but I don't think that was the case; everything I heard leading up to the day was pretty much anti state government.

The targets varied, for some people it was Bligh, some Fraser, Lucas also would have copped it had he not sensibly bought a hawaiian shirt and a large suitcase. For some people it was particular departments or their facilities (particularly health, derm and public transport), for others (myself included) it was asset sales. Around Logan and the Gold Coast it was law and order. In Brisbane it was public transport costs. Around Beaudesert it was CSG exploration. Everyone was cranky about something, and it was all state stuff.
They're still voting on the actual issues, which is a good thing. Nothing tribal or racial about that. We have voters who do what the tribal chief tells them, said chief firmly in the pocket of the regime due to loads of freebies going his way. The guy on the ground sees none of that but will vote as he's told due to tribal loyalty. Nothing at all to do with the issues or what's good for the country, or even for himself.

For all its flaws, Oz is still a lot closer to a true democracy than a lot of other places going by that name.

Worrals in the wilds 26th Mar 2012 06:43

I see what you mean; when you use the word tribal you're talking...tribal. :8I forgot you were from RSA. The word gets used here a bit about things like footy teams, political party membership etc, so I got confoosed and thought you meant Queensland (tribe) rather than Australian (country) issues. :\
Mind you, even here the majority vote the same way every election. This is a massive swing by modern standards.


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