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Croozin 8th Feb 2013 00:51

Like others here, I feel... well, manipulated - and oh, so easily - by whomever it is who's 'broken' this story at such an incredibly convenient time for the guvvimit.

Surely there must be someone at one or more of the TV and radio news stations who can see through this (to use that word again) manipulation of the news? This is a classic example of the old truism regarding Australia - "you'll never get the Australian man on the street to take notice of politics until you barb wire the beaches, cancel the horse races and close the footy ovals."

- Gut the economy?
- Totally screw up virtually EVERY un-thought out programme you introduce 'firing from the hip'?
- Rack up a national debt that will take generations to repay?
- Open our borders to all and sundry - and keep them and their extended families on the public purse ad infinitum?
- Totally ignore the fact that a succession of Labor Pardee luminaries have been - and continue to be - as crooked as crooked gets and have ripped off millions?

Not one of these will excite more than a shrug of the shoulders of Bruce from Penriff - but (sputter, sputter), "disclose" that the footy is rigged? You've got his TOTAL attention for as long as you can string it out, to the total exclusion of any news about any of the aforementioned topics.

As someone has said before me - this whole exercise, particularly the timing, reeks of John McTernan.

I just can't believe that the media is so willing, even eager, to fall for it.

CoodaShooda 8th Feb 2013 02:31

After hearing a radio interview, I now understand that the ACC's full report contains "information" gathered by the commission, often using its coercive powers.

The Head of ACC stated that it is not "evidence", although he then goes on to refer to it as "evidence".

Further, the ACC "information" has now been referred to the AFP and State authorities, for them to secure the "evidence" to be used in possible prosecutions. No doubt that is why they are inviting offenders to come forward and self-identfy.

Seems a number of carts have been laid before the horse for purely political reasons.

Price to the pollies - zilch

Price to sport, sportspeople and administrators - dunno, what's a reputation worth?

I don't doubt there are problems with doping and betting. But, if I can use the sporting metaphor, it would have been fairer to say nothing until charges were ready to be laid against specific parties.

Dark Knight 8th Feb 2013 03:06

like him or not we have to admit Pickering is good! (and spot on)


Andu 8th Feb 2013 06:10

On 7 News tonight - comments already made here - allegations that the sports doping scandal has been timed by the Labor government to deflect public attention from the Eddie Obeid and Craig Thomson cases.

This doesn't make it any less effective. 10/10 for this one, John McT. It remains to be seen how long Labor can string it out - or, more to the point, how long the idiot media will allow themselves to be deflected by it.

SOPS 8th Feb 2013 07:03

Well, she has done a good job. I'm in Africa at the moment , and it's all over the news here this morning. "Australia's 9 billion dollar sports industry destroyed" is just one headline.
Some one else has managed to track down a member of the Australian Bob Sled Team (I didn't even know we had one!), he is saying its a great thing, everyone will be "sorted out".

FullOppositeRudder 8th Feb 2013 07:06


........allegations that the sports doping scandal has been timed by the Labor government to deflect public attention from the Eddie Obeid and Craig Thomson cases.
If that's the case then I think I am seeing an 'own goal'.

It's been suggested elsewhere - and I tend to agree - that the self destruction of Eileen could be happening a little too quickly, and that she could be dumped earlier rather than later by a back bench who see with increasing clarity and consequent terror that many of them are doomed.

If that were to happen, a new PM will have a few months to get the party back on track (if anyone still knows what it is) - whether it's that 'nice' Mr Rudd again, or the GG's son-in-law (conflict of interest anyone?).

Abbott's best interests are served by keeping Eileen at the controls long enough to make her replacement really close to the election unthinkable - however well deserved it might be.

Accordingly I propose that a little diversion like the sports / drug scandal takes the passenger's minds off the fact that the aircraft is in an inverted spin, and that the fearless (and if I may say so - bloody minded) Captain hasn't a clue what she is doing, but continues to do whatever it takes to stay in the LH seat. :eek:

(apologies for the aviation slant, but it seems more or less appropriate from where I sit ....)

7x7 8th Feb 2013 07:38

I couldn't argue with your logic, FOR.

Until the ADFA clusterf**k, I thought Smith might have been the most suitable 'next generation' candidate for the poisoned chalice. His behaviour since then has made me re-assess my opinion. The man's totally at home in every possible way with Eileen, Kevni, Eddie and all the rest of the Old Guard. But the sad fact is, as utterly awful as he is, he might still be the best of a truly terribly bad lot.

Shorten would continue the tradition of a leader who can't pronounce the most basic of words. I find him wrong in so many ways - a professional politician, too slick by half, almost the classic rat with a gold tooth. I have to admit, I'd probably find his "wifs" easier on the ear than Eileen's atonal bray and d's for t's.

Who else is there? Kevni? That would involve a collective eating of crow by the current Labor front bench so massive I think they'd proverbially choke on it, taking their hypocrisy to levels even beyond them (to date). They'd also have to suffer the absolute own goal any such move would represent for the Coalition, who, if they couldn't make a feast of it, don't deserve to win.

Crean? Caretaker. Yesterday's man. Would they really expect to win with him, or would he be put in place to minimise the damage?

That AWU hack who told us he'd bet his house on not one job being lost by the carbon tax? The fact that I can't even recall his name says it all there.

Who else is there? Swan? Gawd no. Even a terminally damaged Labor wouldn't inflict that upon us - even moreso, upon themselves.

Beyond that sorry lot, there's not a lot of talent. If you want to really give yourself nightmares, imagine that clown David Bradbury getting the guernsey at some time in the future.

owen meaney 8th Feb 2013 08:16

7X7,
Chris Bowen will be last man standing.

RJM 8th Feb 2013 08:32

I'll check Sportsbet on that...

Fliegenmong 8th Feb 2013 08:51

Is the supposed creation of a story about drug scandals and game fixing in Australian sport specifically to remove the government off the front page, perhaps a little, well, you know, conspiracy theory sort of stuff?? You know moon landing was done in a Hollywood car park etc.

Just sayin'.....I can't see how the likes of 9, 7, 10, News, etc etc., would ever benefit by mass collusion to report in a fashion that would deflect from the stories that would be most damaging to an ALP government.

We know Tone's in come September, not indeed by anything he's done to prove worthy, but because the old adage applies, that Oppositions don't win Office, Governments lose it, and howard lost it spectacularly, ever much more so than Rudd won it!!!

So why then would they 'Help' by a stunningly complex web of mass deceit, knowing that media laws in the country would come under the scrutiny of an incoming Abbot led Government??

Surely Media Execs etc. are smart enough to know that, just as hard working tax paying Australian citizens will be, they too will be f*&ked (dry) when the LNP get in....(if they don't play proper!)

owen meaney 8th Feb 2013 09:00


So why then would they 'Help' by a stunningly complex web of mass deceit, knowing that media laws in the country would come under the scrutiny of an incoming Abbot led Government??
That is logical, conspiracy is too much to believe.

Worrals in the wilds 8th Feb 2013 09:04

I don't know if any of them would touch it with a barge pole. Better to be the post-aftermath Leader of the Opposition, and campaign in your own seat accordingly... Of course that's long term thinking, which today's pollies aren't usually good at. Maybe someone will decide to have a crack at it, but I don't see it leading to victory unless that someone is massively charismatic. If they had anyone who was massively charismatic we would have met them by now...:hmm:

Julia Gillard is anything but the ALP way. That shouldn't take too much longer to sink through the skulls of the AWU heavies who keep Gillard's bus on the road.
My guess (and it's only a guess) is that it's already happened. The problem is finding another willing bus driver who can stem the tide. The recent union PR has been very much in damage control. To me, Dave Oliver's speech to the National Press Club was almost accepting the inevitable and rousing the troops accordingly. FWIW I thought it was very good :ok:, but that was the message I took from it. Maybe it's just me...
Dave Oliver address to the National Press Club, 6 February 2013 - Australian Council of Trade Unions

National Press Club: Dave Oliver - National Press Club - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
(video)

On 7 News tonight - comments already made here - allegations that the sports doping scandal has been timed by the Labor government to deflect public attention from the Eddie Obeid and Craig Thomson cases.
No doubt they'll make hay while the sun shines, and who can blame them? However, the Machine that's really obvious wrt the ACC report is the Gambling Machine. Various celebs, sports types and other professional gobs have been all over the networks this evening making sage comments about sports betting along the lines of 'of course you can't stop it, so you may as well regulate it' while the media nods along dutifully and advertises the latest odds to the watching kiddies. :mad:

You can't stop assaults either, but that doesn't make them a benefit to the community. Never let that stand in the way of the relentless propaganda effort that's been evident on TV tonight. :yuk: Cash for comment anyone?

While there's money in gambling there's money in doping, as the racing industry has known for years. Footy players are arguably brighter than racehorses and probably have less personal autonomy :}. If there's a buck in footy betting there will be doping and match fixing. I think we're at the stage the Yanks got to twenty (?) years ago, where much as we'd like to think that professional sport is just a bunch of guys running around playing footy, the reality is that it's a multimillion dollar entertainment and gambling industry that has little to do with a fair game and everything to do with lining some already fleecy lined pockets.

500N 8th Feb 2013 09:59

"Just sayin'.....I can't see how the likes of 9, 7, 10, News, etc etc., would ever benefit by mass collusion to report in a fashion that would deflect from the stories that would be most damaging to an ALP government. "


You only need one media outlet to run big with it and the others
will follow because they won't want to "miss out".

And the Essendon story meant the media was already primed for it.

Andu 8th Feb 2013 10:38


Is the supposed creation of a story about drug scandals and game fixing in Australian sport specifically to remove the government off the front page, perhaps a little, well, you know, conspiracy theory sort of stuff??
Fleigs, I don't think anyone is saying that this doping/gambling story is a creation - only that someone pretty high up in Government has chosen to release it now, perhaps earlier than those who've been working on it would have preferred, to take Joe Public's attention away from Eddie, Craig and Eileen's inability to answer any question put to her on the floor of parliament.

I'm not the only one to have pointed out that the way it's been done, no charges against any individual, but Ministers of the Crown (Lundy and Clare) making sweeping, damning generalizations about the whole sports industry and damn near every professional sportsman, really points to the release of the story having been done less than what a good copper or investigator would call professionally.

I'll make a prediction here: the real story, if the truth was ever to be told, will not be in the doping, but the match fixing. But my guess is that how deep the fixing has been will never fully come to light, for that would affect the money men - the Big End of Town who've been running Sydney since the days of John MacArthur. Instead, they'll hang out a few coaches, players and sports doctors, meanwhile stringing the whole exercise out as long as they possibly can, to keep Bruce and Sheila occupied by something - anything - other than the sorry tales of Eddie, Moses, Craig and Eileen.

Worrals in the wilds 8th Feb 2013 10:39

Most viewers will be a heck of a lot more interested in the sports doping story than political stuff.

I'll make a prediction here: the real story, if the truth was ever to be told, will not be in the doping, but the match fixing.
I agree. I hadn't thought about match fixing much until the bad calls in the Manly/North Queensland NRL match last season. After they sacked a bunch of refs I was talking to a cynical legal type, and I said how I thought it was unfair to sack refs for a bad call in a high pressure situation. He laughed his arse off and said 'where's the money'? :E

Got me thinking...:(

I'm not the only one to have pointed out that the way it's been done, no charges against any individual, but Ministers of the Crown (Lundy and Clare) making sweeping, damning generalizations about the whole sports industry and damn near every professional sportsman, really points to the release of the story having been done less than what a good copper or investigator would call professionally.
They also did this with the Sydney Customs corruption story. Many border agency staff are feeling very betrayed by their Ministers, and their quickness to accuse all their officers of either corruption or not being caught yet. I think this is a sign of ministerial incompetence and their willingness to jump on a popular sound bite without actually reading a few facts. It backs up a prevailing view within those agencies (and the ADF) that their Ministers hate them.

Personally, I think it's more a tendency for the current crop of pollies to leap on a potential populist soundbite and strangle it 'till it's dead. However as you say, while people are talking about footy scandals they're not talking about the Mining Tax profit, or lack thereof. However, I think it's more a case of political opportunism than a cunning conspiracy.

Fliegenmong 8th Feb 2013 11:29

You only need one media outlet to run big with it and the others
will follow because they won't want to "miss out".


Hmm, maybe, they're a damned easy bunch to string along the Average Aussie Consumer of Main stream media (Only need look at all the lowest common denominator TV [and reality TV] shows to see that)

Curiously, the only media outlet I saw today (Stress the only one I saw) runnuibg with the woeful state of mining tax was the so called ALPBC...? :hmm:

With Worrals on this...more a case of political opportunism than anything else.....but..for the 'true believers' of the LN Pardee who insist on a conspiracy, this may be of interest....:rolleyes:


Who knows, maybe she can come back from the future with an iPad and tell us all about how in 2058............:hmm:

Worrals in the wilds 8th Feb 2013 11:40


Curiously, the only media outlet I saw today (Stress the only one I saw) runnuibg with the woeful state of mining tax was the so called ALPBC...? http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/yeees.gif
Ten raised it (briefly) on The Project.
Cute film...

CoodaShooda 8th Feb 2013 11:49

Not a conspiracy Fleigs. Just arrant political opportunism that,as a side effect, serves to really trash this country's international reputation.

(And also "insults and offends" just about every Australian associated with sport.)

My hunch is that the smoke will eventually. Turn out to be a towering inferno rather than an Ash Wednesday conflagration and not worthy of this muck storm raked up by these political charlatans.

Fliegenmong 8th Feb 2013 11:53

Oh, ok, fair enough.....I'm kinda 'stuffed' from the weeks physical activities, and plan on shortly retiring, as for tomorrow..Mrs Fiegs has already warned "8 Ain't great, but 9 is fine", suspect we'll be traipsing around the 4 k course here tomorrow sometime.....not at all accurate but around about 4.3k circuit, without crossing roads...

Captain Dart 8th Feb 2013 19:43

Fliegs, the ALPBC ran with the woeful state of the mining tax because the Greens agree that it is 'woeful'; for different reasons.


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