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SOPS 2nd Feb 2013 10:54

So the question has to be asked, which faction is actually in charge? Or is ther some sort of silent war under way?

Worrals in the wilds 2nd Feb 2013 11:21

Who knows? :confused:
The problem with being 'in charge' is that it conveys a level of responsibility. That includes the responsibility of accepting blame when it all goes horribly wrong :uhoh:.

Far easier to sit out the debacle on the sidelines, wring your hands and say sagely 'oh well, we didn't agree with it.'

That leaves you in a position to pick up the pieces and claim the Nurenburg Defence after the dust has settled.

IMO there has been too much Nurenburg and too little responsibility. The party have been happy to see Gillard take the knocks when in truth whatever she's done must have been endorsed by the Caucus. Otherwise she wouldn't have done it, right? :hmm
If she has, then the Caucus has no power and the 'Captain's Choice' gag isn't really a gag. If that's the case then every last thing the Labor Party stood for is now moot, and we may as well pack up our banners and go home. :(

If there is one true thing the Labor Party is supposed to do, it is to make decisions by consensus.

RJM 2nd Feb 2013 11:51

As Martin Sheen replies in Apocalypse Now (how apt...) after failing to find his contact at the futile bridge-building effort far up the Mekong:

'Did ya find him? Did ya find the guy in charge?'

'There's no-one in charge here.'


Gillard's 'administration' appears to be a shambles. For example, she knifed Senator Crossin (they say it gets easier) to install Nova Peris as a Senate candidate.

If, as Gillard says, Senator Evans advised her a year ago that he wanted out in a year's time, why not wait for that casual vacancy to insert her token Aboriginal senator? Why knife Crossin?

'Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practise to deceive.'

RJM 2nd Feb 2013 11:54

Fliegs, however dodgy Abbott has been, you have to admit that Gillard beats him by a mile in that area.

Fliegenmong 2nd Feb 2013 11:56

Good Point RJM!.....Have been lolling around with Mrs Fliegs all day so not up on the latest...good point

RJM 2nd Feb 2013 12:13

Mmm. I reckon what will do Julia in is not her policies, most of which on paper are pretty good Labor fare and supported by most regular Labor supporters, but lack of trust and respect for her, which now seems to be spreading through the Labor constituency as well.

For that reason, I think she may not last to the election. Some young hopeful could take the job, losing the election but hoping to hang on for even a couple of terms in opposition in order to lead the party to victory as a seasoned helmsman in 2020. A career politician like Mark Butler (or someone similar) is the sort of youngish relative cleanskin who could take the gamble. I don't think Labor would contemplate another female leader just now, but perhaps a deputy...

Just for the record - I assume Flieg's 'good point' refers to Gillard and the Senate vacancy, not to my equally valid point about Gillard out-lying Abbott.

I hope you were 'lolling about' somewhere dry, Fliegenmong!

sisemen 2nd Feb 2013 12:37


I reckon the Caucus has bounced Roxon.
Roxon clearly upset at the presser and is leaving to "spend more time with her family" - the oldest excuse in the book.

Gillard also upset as one of her friends is leaving.

See post 4282 - this was an imposed decision and my bet is McTurd-one, not the caucus (although they may have something to do with it).

The whole edifice is imploding as we watch.

RJM 2nd Feb 2013 12:43

'edifice' sounds a bit dignified... :}

Clare Prop 2nd Feb 2013 12:51

Crocodile tears.

Toxin showed how evil she was with her proposed "badly drafted" laws. Pure, pure evil. She can't now suddenly pretend she has a soul. She's probably just really pi$$ed off she can't brag to her fabian friends how she finally made 1984 come true in Australia. Though, she hasn't gone yet and could still do a hell of a lot of damage.

Maybe she can go and work for CASA drafting laws badly, she'd fit right in there.

Gillard? Maybe there is some kind of onion extract in those glasses she can spray in her eyes to get the crocodile tears flowing. :{

And for Mr Thomson, the being allowed to avoid a court date because you have to do your "duty" in parliament only applies to civil cases, apparently. If he had a criminal lawyer instead of the one he has perhaps he might know that.

Fliegenmong 2nd Feb 2013 13:01

If, as Gillard says, Senator Evans advised her a year ago that he wanted out in a year's time, why not wait for that casual vacancy to insert her token Aboriginal senator? Why knife Crossin?

Was my good point reference RJM :)

I/we were lolling about, without external reference to anything at all! no 'puter, phones TV anything...and yes thanks it was dry....well, it was to start with anyway :E Thereafter was one of the most fun Saturday mornings in a long time ;)

sisemen 2nd Feb 2013 13:03

I blame it all on that foam blowing in from Burleigh Heads :E

Fliegenmong 2nd Feb 2013 13:17

Well it was something blowing from a head sisey.....but we'll leave it at that shall we

RJM 2nd Feb 2013 20:19

Now there's a puzzle...

500N 2nd Feb 2013 20:47

This has to be the weirdest start to an election campaign ever.

- Election date announced.
- Pollie arrested and charged
- 2 senior pollies resign

All within a week !!!

What else is going to happen ?

Andu 2nd Feb 2013 21:43

Watch this space, 500N. Some out there in the blogosphere are predicting four more Labor parliamentarians will soon follow.

The Libs have apparently offered Craig Thomson, a so-called independent, a pairing. How can that work? Are the Libs tacitly telling the electorate that Thomson is, in fact, still a member of the governing party?

sisemen 3rd Feb 2013 02:58


Coalition frontbencher Christopher Pyne says the federal government is unravelling like Hitler's government in the movie Downfall.
Pyne compares Labor to Hitler's Downfall - The West Australian

C'mon....somebody must have something appropriate :E

Andu 3rd Feb 2013 05:00

Yes, I've seen elsewhere a comment that we may see Adolf (Eileen) marry Eva (Tim) in the Fuehrer Bunker (Boganville a.k.a. The Lodge) just as the Russians (an angry electorate) close in and storm the bunker (vote).

It would save us taxpayers all an awful lot of money in both pensions and legal fees should our very own Adolf decide to follow their very own Adolph's lead in what he did immediately after he married Eva. For those who think that last comment is in bad taste, I really don't think, judging by her actions before and since entering public life, that the lady involved would be able to define bad taste if it slapped in her face, new glasses and all.

Fliegenmong 3rd Feb 2013 07:31

Nope...same as referring to howard as Kim-Il-howard....regrettably unlike Kim Il, howard is still alive.....:(

RJM 3rd Feb 2013 07:34

Andu, comments like that could get you bumped off the list for Julia's 'after party'. :rolleyes:

sisemen 3rd Feb 2013 08:16

What amuses me is the confected outrage by the new AG (can't remember his name and don't want to - he's not going to be there long). The self same man that referred to Abbott's campaign against the carbon tax as "Nazi propaganda".

Hypocrites and shysters.


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