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Fliegenmong 1st Feb 2013 10:41

Right Andu....I didn't really believe it about the regional US guys....what's the answer to 46 mill then?

Introduce some kind of a minimum wage to ensure that these people are no longer dependent on Food stamp or almost any welfare? That would surely drive away the big spending donors to the parties? Is it, for want of a better term' 'Unsustainable'?

Cheers Buster!....I was in a position to do it, if I was in a postion to go and help people in Bundy right now I would too.......but can't take time off work right now, I'm saving to be financially raped by the medical cartels in February, not least of which is the private health 'insurer'...:hmm:

7x7 1st Feb 2013 10:41

Worrals, the wild card is, of course, if Thomson, Slipper or both of them are forced to pull the pin early - while parliament is still sitting. Then Gillard will lack the numbers in the Lower House. My guess would be, that if things do go pear-shaped for either Slipper or Thomson, their lawyers - (surely not that clown currently representing Thomson, but a firm of real lawyers) - will string things along until parliament rises.

Otherwise, we'll be heading for the polls ahead of Sept 14th and poor Jools will not have kept yet another promise.

Worrals in the wilds 1st Feb 2013 10:44

My understanding is that either or both of them stay members until the next election. If they pull the pin early the speaker can announce a stay on decisions until the election.

Fliegenmong 1st Feb 2013 10:51

You're probably right Worrals....but you know, those Scottish accented Union 'heavies' make me squirm.....but so does Christopher Pyne!.....I always thought it odd how LNP mouthpieces refer to "Union Bosses"....but never ever refer to the sitting AMA President as a "Union Boss".....the AMA are a Union , are they not?

(Correct me if I'm wrong, but are they not an association of paid up members who collectively represent the concerns of the medical fraternity?)

Buster Hyman 1st Feb 2013 11:02

Like the media, she must have been tipped off about Thompson et al. Perhaps by announcing, in a "dignified" manner to the salivating hordes at the Press club, an election date, she then gets to play the victim of "Liberal bully boy tactics", and has to force the poor, suffering Aussie Battlers to an early election?

I just can't see the Red Witch making this play without it being a convoluted scheme with many options to address all the possible outcomes.

Just putting it out there...

SOPS 1st Feb 2013 11:09

Or maybe Buster, just maybe, she knee jerked again, didn't talk to most olf her ministers to get advice, didn't think it through properly, and has not considered all possible outcomes.

Andu 1st Feb 2013 11:16


If they pull the pin early the speaker can announce a stay on decisions until the election.
But with the numbers in what amounts to a hung parliament, what happens if a division or a vote is called? If the Opposition calls a vote of no confidence in Gillard, and, without Slipper or Thomson, the Government fails to defeat it, what happens then?

Worrals in the wilds 1st Feb 2013 11:19


(Correct me if I'm wrong, but are they not an association of paid up members who collectively represent the concerns of the medical fraternity?)
Sure, but don't tell them that. Like the ALAEA, they get a bit funny about the U word. :}

Much of that stems from the view that a union must be inalienably tied to the ALP. Of course that's not the case, as the various state police unions can attest. The CPSU was not affiliated to the ALP until 2007, and the Qld ETU have what's best described as a dysfunctional relationship with the state ALP...:uhoh:

IMO the ALP is much quicker to presume on its relationship with the union movement than the reverse, i.e. the ALP needs the unions more than the unions need the ALP.

You'll often hear the quote from ALP pollies (usually when they're desperate) that the ALP is the child of the union movement. I'm not the only unionist (by a long shot) who feels that it's time the child grew up, got itself a car and a unit and stopped slagging off its hard working parents who did their best to raise it right :}. I.e., stop running off to Mum every time you hit a hurdle. Particularly when you keep telling everyone that Mum's really uncool and doesn't know nothin'. :E

Of course the ALP and the union movement will always share loosely common goals (collective bargaining, support for the needy, collective ownership of public assets) but in recent times it's questionable how much the ALP has supported these ideals. However, they still expect support (and dues) from the union faithful without listening to a thing they have to say.

How's that working out for them? Look at Queensland, Look at NSW. Voted back to the stone age. Sure, the conservative governments in both states suck (from a union perspective) but so did the previous Labor administrations. People knew they'd suck and they voted conservative anyway. At least you can trust them. :{

What are we left with? A federal party who still exalts in denial. It's okay, it's all fine, never mind the BS, listen to us this week, cos it's all true now. Nothing bad ever happened. Trust the student union!

The federal public service hasn't been annhilated. The carbon tax never happened. Surplus? Huh?? The PM's wearing glasses so it's All Good.


But with the numbers in what amounts to a hung parliament, what happens if a division or a vote is called? If the Opposition calls a vote of no confidence in Gillard, and, without Slipper or Thomson, the Government fails to defeat it, what happens then?
Dunno. Election, presumably. A little earlier than expected, but still the same outcome.

Fliegenmong 1st Feb 2013 11:23

"she then gets to play the victim of "Liberal bully boy tactics", and has to force the poor, suffering Aussie Battlers to an early election?"

Sorry mate,not with you...how exactly? Genuine question! I don't understand

"Or maybe Buster, just maybe, she knee jerked again, didn't talk to most olf her ministers to get advice, didn't think it through properly, and has not considered all possible outcomes."

Very probable...need look no further than the Perris, Nova one for that!

vulcanised 1st Feb 2013 11:48


punching people in the tea room

Is that Ozlian for a part of the anatomy?

Worrals in the wilds 1st Feb 2013 11:57

It is now. :E

BEACH KING 1st Feb 2013 20:36

Just keeps getting better, Nicola Roxon (Attorney General) and Chris Evans to resign later today.....The ship is sinking and the rats are getting off.
http://www.andrewsaltmarsh.com/home/...t_bradbury.jpg

Buster Hyman 1st Feb 2013 20:49

Sorry mate,not with you...how exactly

As in "I was going to the Polls in Sept. but Abbott hassled Slipper, got Thompson arrested, and did whatever to Evans so now we have to vote early. Woe is me. Well may we say God save the Queen, but nothing...." Etc, etc, etc.


Just pushing conspiracy theories to the Nth degree. ;)



BK...that's probably the best analogy for this whole sorry election.

Andu 1st Feb 2013 21:10

Waaaay back on page 211, (post # 4220), I posted this Pickering cartoon. With three 'green bottles' now smashed on the hard pavement, I wonder if he'll update the cartoon? And who'll be next? And how many more? Quite a few, I think.

On the ALPBC this morning, Roxon's performance in politics was described as 'strong'. Probably not the word that would immediately come to mind for most here, unless the word 'odour' was to follow it.

Beach King has beaten me to it, but

Rats...

sinking...

ship...

are three words that come immediately to mind.

7x7 1st Feb 2013 21:41

Yet another 'own goal'/'unforeseen circumstance' for Gillard?
 
From the Andrew Bolt blog:

The setting of the September 14 election date could be a major blunder by Julia Gillard if the ABC agrees it must now offer equal time:

TONY Abbott has received a boost in the fight to the September 14 election under federal laws that allow him to demand equal time to Julia Gillard across commercial radio and television, eroding one of the government’s tactical advantages.

The media laws undermine the Prime Minister’s repeated claim that the election campaign is yet to get under way, making it clear that the official campaign began for broadcasters on the day it was announced - on Wednesday…

The Broadcasting Services Act states that the “election period” starts on either the day on which the proposed polling day is announced or the day on which the writs for the election are issued, whichever happens first.

Once the election period has begun, the commercial broadcasters must ensure balance in the amount of time they give each party: the provision traditionally interpreted to offer equal time.

“If, during an election period, a broadcaster broadcasts election matter, the broadcaster must give reasonable opportunities for the broadcasting of election matter to all political parties contesting the election,” the law states
.
The ABC luvvies will not be happy if they are forced to follow that ruling. John Faine will have an attack of the vapours. Will they escape this intrusion of (ugh!) conservative thought onto their airwaves by insisting that they're not commercial, and so are not covered by the act, making it official what everyone knows already - that they're the propaganda arm of the ALP?

7x7 1st Feb 2013 22:14

Yet another 'oops' moment for Thomson (and Gillard)?
 
Thomson argues for deferral under ‘obscure’ act


Craig Thomson is seeking to delay his first court appearance on fraud charges scheduled for next week so he can attend federal Parliament.
The question's been asked already: what happens if Thomson or Slipper aren't able to vote? It would seem that under his bail conditions and his court attendance obligations, (unless they are amended), Thomson might find himself in that position. Surely a first year law student would have foreseen that problem when arranging the bail conditions. That's if he'd been there with his client rather than grandstanding on TV.

Dark Knight 1st Feb 2013 22:48


7x7 1st Feb 2013 23:22

Loved this suggestion from another blog.


The remedy is simple, grant Thomson a pair.

Thomson is an Independent elected by a Labor leaning electorate. Pair him with either Oakeshott or Windsor who are Independents elected by Coalition leaning electorates.
:)

Clare Prop 2nd Feb 2013 00:12

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...ps46bd346f.png

MTOW 2nd Feb 2013 02:08

Another great post from the blogosphere, possibly also winning the prize for the highest number of cliches in the smallest number of words.


I assume ABC, SBS, Sunrise and Today will all be leading with questions of Gillard’s leadership and competency won’t they.

Aah, a squadron of pigs piloted by unicorns just flew over. Apparently they are off to rescue Lucifer since hell has frozen over.

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