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gassed budgie 30th Jan 2013 08:46

I lasted three minutes. Tuned into the 7.30 report to see who fronted up to explain today's announcement by the PM. It was the same old shit we've been listening to for the last two years.
No wonder some seniour Labor party caucus members have been heard to say "swannies an idiot".

Fliegenmong 30th Jan 2013 08:50

"before the final budget outcome is revealed for the current year"

They'll be interim though?? just the final one, is that correct?

Anyway, there's your "It's worse than we first thought...." right there!! :rolleyes:

Ah Yom Kippur, well spotted Mr Parra! 'Round these parts they're out in force on a Saturday morning, in a certain district, only to seemingly disappear for the rest of the week....not at all like Golders Green, where I resided for a few months in the Early 90's, nothing was not Kosher....Chief Rabbi Goldstein supervised everything!

Clare Prop 30th Jan 2013 09:10

People can use religious beliefs as a reason to do a postal vote or vote early in person....OK for the Yom Kippur folks, but would AFL count as a religion?

Worrals in the wilds 30th Jan 2013 11:26

At about 0.5% of the population we're talking serious minority status... No disrepect meant, of course.

Either way, she gives the Libs time to see how Abbott goes and if necessary, put in a new leader to ride the honeymoon period home, a la The Silver Bodgie.
They don't have a Silver Bodgie. :uhoh:

Personally I think the Libs are better off sticking with Abbott, for all his faults. Maybe that's why the ALP have declared the election so early; to prevent them whacking Turnbull into the position. In many ways I prefer Turnbull but I don't think he's the man for the job. Too lefty for the majority of Liberal voters and too ready to dirk everyone around him. He's the Libs' answer to Rudd, and we all remember how that worked out for Labor...:eek:

Either way, they've nothing to lose by declaring. We all know that barring revolution we have to go to an election by October, so it's not like they're saying anything revalatory. Giving a date puts pressure on the Libs to tell the electorate what they actually stand for (as opposed to what they stand against) and gives the ALP a chance to counter that. Also, the 'governing first, electioneering second' comment gives the government the option of dismissing anything the opposition say as being nothing more than electioneering.

It also takes the focus off Boofhead Tim, Bipolar Nicola and all the other recent embarassments. For a day or so, anyway...:hmm:

Fliegenmong 30th Jan 2013 12:09

Worrals, as always (It seems!) well said.....

Flying Binghi 30th Jan 2013 12:30


...Maybe that's why the ALP have declared the election so early; to prevent them whacking Turnbull into the position. In many ways I prefer Turnbull but I don't think he's the man for the job. Too lefty for the majority of Liberal voters and too ready to dirk everyone around him. He's the Libs' answer to Rudd, and we all remember how that worked out for Labor...
Suggested research - "Goldman Sachs" "carbon trading" ; "Goldman Sachs" "Malcolm Turnbull" ...that'l do fer starters..:)

Methinks the Goldman Sachs wonder boy should stick to driving 'OzCars' or he risks making Gillard look honest..:hmm:





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Buster Hyman 30th Jan 2013 12:31

Turnbull is the highest profile, but Gawd help us if they turn to him. I like Hockey, but his current credentials may fall short.

I only say this because the ALP mantra against Abbott just rolls of the tongue to easily now. A classic example of mud sticking. But, just like them, I wouldn't have a clue either. He's made enough gaffe's to add credibility to the smear campaign.

It's just sad that it's no longer just about the politics now. It's all about who has the better smear machine. :ugh:

Flying Binghi 30th Jan 2013 12:34

Some interesting comments...

"...But we do now have an additional consideration. The date of the election is known, but the government is not in caretaker mode. Given the expectation that the government will lose the coming election, should it be in caretaker mode? Reasonable people can disagree on this point. After all, having the government in caretaker mode for eight months is a bit too long. Yet can the business community and anyone else be confident that announced policy will be implemented? I suspect not.

If anything, this early announcement has added to uncertainty and not reduced it..."


https://theconversation.edu.au/pms-e...ommunity-11862






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david1300 30th Jan 2013 13:36

I rarely agree with Pickerings take on stuff, but I do agree on this extract from his post today:

And if just once you could believe what Gillard says, again this isn't the time. There were three reasons why Gillard locked herself into September 14, and let's remember she has locked herself into many things before including a surplus.

So it is well within her realm to alter the date again, as she will do in a heartbeat, if it is in her interest.

First, she is shoring up her own position. Never has there been a challenge to a Prime Minister's leadership during an election campaign.

If her polling were to fall further she would have been under threat, not from Kevin Rudd, but other aspirants.

There is also the possibility that she could be well and truly embroiled in the Victorian Police AWU fraud investigation.

Although she vigorously denies it, she wants the next eight months in full-blown election mode where she can personally feel secure.

Second, she wants to put pressure on Tony Abbott to announce and cost his election policies so they can be attacked.

This won't work because final budget numbers won't be available until after September 14 and Abbott has already put the Government on notice that he is blind to precise Government indebtedness and he won't be announcing his costings until two weeks before the election anyway.

Third, she wants to appear to be in charge. Her vicious knifing of the hard working NT Senator Crossin and the installation of the inept Nova Peris is designed to combat Abbott's success with Aboriginal communities and to send a message to her own Party that she is in charge.

The election date was discussed with Oakeshott, Windsor and the Greens' Christine Milne, to the exclusion of her own embarrassed Cabinet members.

This September 14 election date is all about Julia Gillard securing her tenure in Office....

Fliegenmong 30th Jan 2013 13:50

"It's just sad that it's no longer just about the politics now. It's all about who has the better smear machine. "

True, but that IS the politics now, Godwin Grech, UteGate, the Mysoginist blowout, Pink Bats & Tampa, it's in practice equally....by both sides....when you have a voting populace enthralled with the rubbish on TV, of course they'll fly off the handle re how many boats arrive....or.....how the new work choices will screw them over..

This is where I cannot understand the Libs don't kill it......the Main Stream Media, the so called MSM are so far in favour of the Libs ad their policies, have received so much from the Libs, all that they wanted and more, and howard heaped it upon them :hmm:, and they complied with his wants and wishes as unscrupulous benefit receiving corporations are expected to do.....much like unscrupulous welfare receiving unfortunates depend upon a Labor Gummint......

The Libs laughable uncosted policies., that they so vigorously tried to hide from independent audit, and the sheer stupidity of Cannot Newman asking us to believe an audit from the Gold Seller, hardly instil faith in a LNP led administration...

Given how pro Liberal a Murdoch publication is..this article is eye opening...

Queensland's Peter Costello 'audit' trashed by experts | The Courier-Mail

But maybe we need to remember that these guys hunt with foxes and...and...hide with wolves???? ....Who can say nowadays??

Jooliar, you've lost me (Actually you never had me)....Tone the Budgie Smuggler, howard ensured you lost me, and others forever, and seeing the clowns you've surrounded yourself with, I know I have made the right decision.....

Fliegenmong 30th Jan 2013 13:58


So it is well within her realm to alter the date again, as she will do in a heartbeat, if it is in her interest.

First, she is shoring up her own position. Never has there been a challenge to a Prime Minister's leadership during an election campaign.

If her polling were to fall further she would have been under threat, not from Kevin Rudd, but other aspirants.

There is also the possibility that she could be well and truly embroiled in the Victorian Police AWU fraud investigation.

Although she vigorously denies it, she wants the next eight months in full-blown election mode where she can personally feel secure.

Second, she wants to put pressure on Tony Abbott to announce and cost his election policies so they can be attacked.

"This won't work because final budget numbers won't be available until after September 14 and Abbott has already put the Government on notice that he is blind to precise Government indebtedness and he won't be announcing his costings until two weeks before the election anyway.

Third, she wants to appear to be in charge. Her vicious knifing of the hard working NT Senator Crossin and the installation of the inept Nova Peris is designed to combat Abbott's success with Aboriginal communities and to send a message to her own Party that she is in charge.

The election date was discussed with Oakeshott, Windsor and the Greens' Christine Milne, to the exclusion of her own embarrassed Cabinet members.

This September 14 election date is all about Julia Gillard securing her tenure in Office...."


Nup, she's gone, and so should she be....none of this long range speculation bullshit..she's pig feed, Swill!, and she well deserves it, the old adage applies Gummints lose elections, oppositions don't win them, and indeed the opposition has done NOTHING to gain support...well other than mindlessly oppose everything regardless if it was for the betterment of the country or not....but then again that is not the point...

sisemen 30th Jan 2013 15:31

Just watched Wenny Pong on Lateline. Taxes going to rise? Super contributions going to increase? Couldn't or wouldn't answer the question. Be afraid, very afraid.

Howard's much maligned workchoices adversely affected very few but Gillard's plan to f**k us over before we get rid of her will affect just about everyone.

What a way to go down in history - the nation's most despised PM.

Andu 30th Jan 2013 21:40

I missed the whole speech where JEG announced the election date. What horrors did she slip in, knowing that the meedja would ignore them and concentrate on just the election date? My guess would be that any self-funded retiree or anyone relying on superannuation for his living expenses should be checking his wallet and bank account balance very, very carefully over the next few months, as JEG is going to have to find some source of money, and there's basically nowhere else left to find some.

Ovation 30th Jan 2013 23:53

I've been pondering why Gillard chose to announce an election in September, with an unprecedented 8 months notice. Any political benefit will quickly dissipate and voters will become bored sh!tless well before September.

Some commentators suggest it is to tease out the LNP's fiscal policy, others say it's to make the hag appear to have the ascendancy and advantage over the LNP, but here is my take.

Gillard is acutely aware that under her leadership (and I use that term loosely) the ALP is facing certain defeat, and assuming the government were to go full term to November, then up until July/August she could be replaced by Rudd (or someone else).

To announce the date so early is not so much of a message to the electorate or the LNP, but a desperate preemptive strike on her own party in order to head off a leadership challenge, and forcing caucus to consider that initiating a challenge while under starter's orders would be electoral suicide.

Then again, nothing she does would surprise me, including bringing forward or delaying the election to suit her own ends. Until she goes to the GG to issue the writs, the only certainty is she is the worst PM this country has ever had.

SOPS 31st Jan 2013 00:09

Desperate times call for desperate methods.

7x7 31st Jan 2013 00:11

Let's face it, if her past performance in keeping political promises is anything to go by, the one day we can be totally assured the election won't be held is 14th September.

heated ice detector 31st Jan 2013 01:15

If you guys and girls are having a bit of doubt with your budgie smuggler leader then may I sugest the honourable Mr Katter party, a lot of you seem to have similar views, :)

Dark Knight 31st Jan 2013 01:35

Centerbet

Coalition: $1.25
Labor $3.75

No Doubts!

Clare Prop 31st Jan 2013 01:45

So...was it all to hush up the fact that Nicola Toxin has had to admit she is rubbish at her job?

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

ATTORNEY-General Nicola Roxon has admitted her proposed anti-discrimination laws were poorly drafted, confirming the government has dropped controversial provisions that would have prohibited offensive conduct.


But Ms Roxon sought to portray the backdown as a triumph of process, saying an exposure draft had done its job in highlighting problems with the proposed consolidation of existing laws.


Good news, sort of, until we see what amendments she comes up with; but you have to wonder what else is going on behind the smokescreen. I expect a lot of the Labor politicians are wondering too!

Squeaks 31st Jan 2013 02:49


Originally Posted by Clare Prop (Post 7666345)
So...was it all to hush up the fact that Nicola Toxin has had to admit she is rubbish at her job?

Not at all: nor to do with the $100k's of party money spent defending this chap, who is (of course) misunderstood/totally innocent/victimised/all of the above :rolleyes:

Police arrest Craig Thompson on (at least 149) fraud charges

Please, please, please let them knock on the door of The Lodge soon ;)


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