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heated ice detector 24th Dec 2012 07:59

Hope you all have a wonderful new year, we might even see something positive from the Libs, even a bit of policy maybe, you never know what the new year might bring

Captain Sand Dune 24th Dec 2012 08:20

.........or perhaps an unbroken promise from Juliar.

Croozin 24th Dec 2012 09:37

...one, just one straight answer from Eileen would do me.

Not holding my breath though.

sisemen 24th Dec 2012 13:57

It's almost Christmas Day in the west and I can only echo the words of Worrals et al. We owe a debt to CFI (and her alter ego that appears here from time to time) for keeping this very relevant and necessary thread on the rails. I also owe her my gratitude for allowing sisemen back to play and being able to give allan907 a rest.

Merry Christmas one and all - even the "dear departed"

Charlie Foxtrot India 24th Dec 2012 14:41

Thanks guys, have a good one! I think things might get worse before they get better....I wonder who we'll be bitching about this time next year?! :uhoh:

Andu 24th Dec 2012 20:34

As I sit here waiting for the children to surface and the unwrapping and excitement to begin, let me echo those thanks and good wishes to you, Charlie Foxtrot India... I don't think I'm the only one who finds that venting steam here allows me some relief from the frustrations I feel as I watch this country descend into very unfamiliar place, a place I can't help but feel that "Eileen" and her sorry crew are quite consciously leading us.

I look forward to bitching and moaning here, hopefully in the not too distant future, about the things the new Liberal National Federal government is getting wrong.

Merry CHRISTMAS to all.

CoodaShooda 24th Dec 2012 22:33


I wonder who we'll be bitching about this time next year?
If Queensland and the NT's recent experience is anything to go by, it'll have to be AbbottAbbottAbbott, won't it? :}

Croozin 25th Dec 2012 07:17


I wonder who we'll be bitching about this time next year?
If Queensland and the NT's recent experience is anything to go by, it'll have to be AbbottAbbottAbbott, won't it?
I think that's about the safest bet in town. I really can't see any one of us, from pensioner/self-funded retiree to uni. student, escaping some pain as the Libs try to claw their way back into the black. It won't be pretty.

What remains to be seen is whether the pain will be acute enough to make enough people forget how incredibly bad this current mob are, and fall for the 'Abbott lite' promises that will surely be made by Labor and vote them back in.

History would suggest that enough will and we'll be back in the same sorry cycle within six years of the change of government.

Worrals in the wilds 25th Dec 2012 11:19


What remains to be seen is whether the pain will be acute enough to make enough people forget how incredibly bad this current mob are, and fall for the 'Abbott lite' promises that will surely be made by Labor and vote them back in.
Spot on the money. However, what would be nice is if the next mob weren't incredibly bad and did some not-bad stuff which justified the initial voter support. This hasn't happened in Qld :sad:.

I'm with HID on this; if the Libs want to govern effectively (as opposed to winning, which are two different things) they need to get positive. They need to tell us what they're going to do, not just what the current mob can't.

Nor do I want to hear three months of post-election whining about how they didn't realise what desperate straits they'd been left in. I know they have enough of their own people in Treasury to be sure of the real situation :suspect:, and I'm deadly sick of the Qld LNP Government's denial of knowledge about this, cos it's crap. :bored:

Croozin 25th Dec 2012 21:30


Nor do I want to hear three months of post-election whining about how they didn't realise what desperate straits they'd been left in.
Sorry, WitW, but that's one New Year's wish I think (in fact, I'm damn near sure) you won't be granted.

As horribly, almost unbelievably bad as this current mob are - and almost to a (wo)man - (and even all but the most rusted-on of rusted-on Labor supporters agree with that comment), here'd be very, very few of us in (what some would call) 'the right wing reactionary' camp who have any illusions that there won't be some among the ranks of any Liberal/National post-Gillard government who will really get it very, very wrong as they attempt to foist upon us their version of 'good guvvimint'.

I know they're going to screw up, but keep telling myself that, however much they do, they couldn't possibly screw up as badly and consistently as the current mob - under both Gillard AND Rudd - have done and continue to do.

sisemen 25th Dec 2012 23:44

As well as human mistakes and incompetence, which even the best of us are a martyr to :}, there's also the issue that, by and large, socialist governments leave such a mess that, even if you had the most amazing bunch of talent in the world, there would still be a horrible time gap between taking over and getting things right again.

One only has to look at the recent history of the world to see that. Queensland is the one example nearest home; the UK after Blair and Broon; and the coming apocalypse of the US once Obama has done his damage for another 4 years. Socialism makes it easy to spend some other bugger's money and money that you haven't even got.

Make no mistake, Abbott is going to have his hands full. Not only correcting the ginormous cock-up that Krudd and Dullard have bequeathed us but also dashing expectations on the "promises" that Gillard has left behind like hidden land-mines. It will be a rough ride. So hang on to your saddles and give the incoming administration a bit of slack.

Andu 26th Dec 2012 00:08

Even if, in the highly unlikely event that they were to get everything 100% right, the government that replaces the current Gillard debacle will have to inflict pain on each and every one of us in the short term.

It will be a case of that sign you see in every gym - "No pain, no gain" - on a national scale.

One aspect of Swan's withdrawal of the impossible to achieve budget surplus has yet to be realised by many commentators. Come the election, it gives Gillard carte blanche to offer pork barrel, impossible to pay for promises and handouts to each and every 'victim group' within the electorate during the campaign, thereby making the Libs' inevitable withdrawal of those handouts when they try to balance the books in the post election cold light of day period Queenslanders are going through now on a State level even harder to bear.

Which of course is exactly what they will want it to be.

parabellum 26th Dec 2012 00:21



One aspect of Swan's withdrawal of the impossible to achieve budget surplus
has yet to be realised by many commentators. Come the election, it gives Gillard
carte blanche to offer pork barrel, impossible to pay for promises and handouts
to each and every 'victim group' within the electorate during the campaign,
thereby making the Libs' inevitable withdrawal of those handouts when they try
to balance the books in the post election cold light of day period Queenslanders
are going through now on a State level even harder to bear.
Departing Labour governments are also famous for signing up to a vast tranche of useless but expensive contracts that have exorbitant get out fees, just before they leave office, ensuring several mill stones around the incoming governments neck. Happened in QLD quite recently.

Worrals in the wilds 26th Dec 2012 00:49

It did, and a lot of them are still there. :mad: The people at the bottom of the PS food chain were a lot easier to punt, so by and large that's what happened. :sad:

Make no mistake, very few people would be wishing for a return to Bligh & Co, unloveable as the current mob are.

Buster Hyman 26th Dec 2012 02:39


Departing Labour governments are also famous for signing up to a vast tranche of useless but expensive contracts that have exorbitant get out fees, just before they leave office, ensuring several mill stones around the incoming governments neck.
Victoria:

North South Pipeline - $750 Million
Myki - $1.52 Billion
Regional Rail Link - (possibly) $10 Billion
Wonthaggi DeSal Plant - $24 Billion over 28 years.

:mad::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Clare Prop 26th Dec 2012 03:02

“The line between fascism and Fabian socialism is very thin. Fabian socialism is the dream. Fascism is Fabian socialism plus the inevitable dictator.” John T. Flynn

Croozin 26th Dec 2012 04:26

Not unrelated to the last few posts:

Everybody wants a piece o' the action! The Asylum Seeker Industry in action. - Michael Smith News


WEDNESDAY, 26 DECEMBER 2012

Everybody wants a piece o' the action! The Asylum Seeker Industry in action.

The latest contribution from the self-interested?

Taxpayer funded "trusted delegations of community leaders" should be sent to "spread the message" about Australia to the people of "Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and Pakistan".

Fair dinkum!

Asylum deterrent failing to stop boats
by: Rick Morton
From:The Australian
December 26, 201212:00AM
MUSLIM leaders have warned the Gillard government's information campaigns to deter potential asylum-seekers are having little effect on numbers departing for Australia because they are underfunded.
More than 30,000 asylum-seekers have arrived by boat and almost 1000 have died since Labor came to power at the end of 2007, prompting Youssef Nabha, imam of the Masjid Arrahman Kingsgrove mosque in Sydney, to call for urgent action.

"We are gravely concerned about the number of people dying at sea and I want to send a message to the government that if we have harsh policies, they are worthless without awareness in the very countries from which people are fleeing," Mr Nabha told The Australian through a translator.

"The families of people who die suffer and their communities in Australia suffer the grief of the trauma, too."

Mr Nabha said government information campaigns in source and transit countries such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and Pakistan were having little impact and trusted delegations of community leaders should be sent instead to spread the message.

Read the whole story at The Australian's website.
This bloke must think we came down in the last shower.

sisemen 26th Dec 2012 04:41


trusted delegations of community leaders
What? You mean like this trusted delegation in Afghanistan? I certainly wouldn't trust any other bugger.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images...le-5661772.gif

Andu 26th Dec 2012 05:27

An interesting article from the UK, which most would agree that, despite the best efforts of our political leadership over the last five years, is somewhat even further down the road to fiscal and social ruin than we are here 'Dunnunda'.


The truth is that politicians are telling lies - Telegraph


Was 2012 the year when the democratic world lost its grip on reality? Must we assume now that no party that speaks the truth about the economic future has a chance of winning power in a national election? With the results of presidential contests in the United States and France as evidence, this would seem to be the only possible conclusion.
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Here in Britain, the Conservatives make much of their determination to cut welfare, as if out-of-work benefits were the heart of the government spending problem. But in fact, in the medium and long term, it is the state benefits that working people think of as a right that present a far more serious dilemma. The reality is that our ever-rising state pension and entirely free health care system are as unsustainable as social security and Medicare in the US.
There are over 1100 comments following the article.

sisemen 26th Dec 2012 06:03

One could argue that the aged pension payable in the UK is a right. Those who have worked have paid for that right.

Perhaps it should be that the work shy and bludgers get a much reduced pension if they haven't paid beyond a pre-determined cut-off point.


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