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Andu 14th Mar 2012 05:17

Let's say Campbell Newman gets up in Ashgrove, but with a very narrow margin.

As leader of a conservative government trying to undo the succession of disasters and repay the debt racked up by the Beattie/Bligh governments, he's going to have to make some very unpopular decisions, decisions that will hurt many a man in the street's hip pocket. So there's no way he's going to maintain the popularity he might enjoy right now, and Ashgrove will become a marginal seat (to put it mildly).

So what's he going to do at the following election three years from now? Contest that marginal seat (and almost certainly "do a John Howard"?) or have some backbencher 'fall on his sword' for the Party allowing CN to switch to a safe Lib/Nat seat? I have to say that I have thought from the very start that the whole Ashgrove exercise to be quixotic - (less kind words come to mind) - and display (to me at least) a troubling arrogance in Mr Newman.

Worrals in the wilds 14th Mar 2012 05:52


...or have some backbencher 'fall on his sword' for the Party allowing CN to switch to a safe Lib/Nat seat?
That assumes that there's a backbencher who is willing to do so. The Qld Libs are not renowned for being team players.

Andu 14th Mar 2012 06:16

... which more or less reinforces my point, WitW. It seems a crazy course of action in every possible way.

Frank Arouet 15th Mar 2012 07:00

Nats had an examination on coal seam gas which was ignored, so now The Greens are having one which will probably be listened to.

Gord help us all.

From Sen barnaby Joyce;


Greens party CSG inquiry about politics not action

The Greens party's attempt to instigate another inquiry into coal seam gas is politically motivated and counterproductive. Another inquiry will simply delay the changes that are needed to deliver better outcomes for the environment and for landholders.

The Nationals were responsible for the instigation of the Senate inquiry into coal seam gas which reported in November last year. That report made comprehensive recommendations on establishing a national regulatory framework including cumulative and regional modelling, the regulation of chemicals, water licences, trust funds for make good expenses, prime agricultural land and access arrangements.

The Nationals also called for at least 1 per cent of the gross revenue from coal seam gas go towards providing a return to landowners.

The government has not responded to that inquiry. At this point in time having a further inquiry, to look into what has already been covered, is not of any assistance.

The inquiry seems to be more of a political advertising campaign for the Greens party than a genuine attempt to be part of the resolution.

The Nationals have been very clear about what needs to be resolved. Prime agricultural land must be protected, aquifers cannot be destroyed, the quiet enjoyment of residential areas must be respected and a fair return must go back to the landholders on whose land the drilling takes place.

What will a further inquiry achieve beyond delaying action on these issues? In essence, it would dilute the potency of the recommendations made last year because clearly the Greens party does not think that this inquiry was good enough and we need another one.

The Nationals don't resile from future inquiries if they are needed but the Greens seem to want another one just because they were not responsible for the first Senate inquiry into this issue.

15 March 2012

Andu 15th Mar 2012 07:24

In there, quite high up among the ten first rules of politics: never hold an inquiry unless you know the answer beforehand.

Frank Arouet 16th Mar 2012 07:31

Bob Carr declares war on PNG.

Well not quiet, but he uttered some garbage about putting sanctions them until they have an election. Pissed them right off.

I guess we can say, he's off to a good start as the unelected Labor stooge Senator/ Foreign Minister.

Cringeworthy, and makes Australia a mockery in the eyes of the rest of the world. (Rhodesia not included).

Buster Hyman 16th Mar 2012 08:11

He'll be telling us that the Falklands belong to Argentina next! :rolleyes:

Ovation 16th Mar 2012 09:08

The Fair Work Australia report into the Health Services Union is now available for download FWA Report and is an interesting read.

None of the findings will be referred to the DPP for Criminal prosecution, but it seems there will be civil penalties applied. The Union's auditor/s also get a special mention.

Now the HSU is just ONE branch of ONE union in ONE of six Australian States, where the hierarchy has used members funds as if it were their own. It makes me think that for the one they've pinged there must be a lot more out there who would not stand even rudimentary scrutiny.

Our esteemed Craig Thomson MP (formerly of the same Union) might be getting his affairs in order because his turn in the spotlight may not be far away.:E

Clare Prop 16th Mar 2012 09:26

Can we, the people impose sanctions against Canberra until we can get an election?

If we have sanctions against PNG, do we still have to send them $482 million a year in aid?
Papua New Guinea

Great start, Mr Carr! :rolleyes:

CoodaShooda 17th Mar 2012 09:31

Please tell me that Shaoquett Moselmane, a Labor politician in the NSW Parliament, is not typical of Labor party thinking:

"The vested interest of big business in reality has been on the rise ever since the 20th century struggle between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie was momentarily lost, as marked by the fall of the former Soviet Union and the communist East. Consequently the power of the proletariat waned and the grip of the bourgeoisie and their neo-conservative forces hardened. Emboldened by the victory of capitalism over the proletariat they continued to cross international borders to open new markets, find new consumers and new labour for exploitation. They pillaged Africa, brought down the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Eastern bloc and rampaged through Latin America. Today they are ripping through the Middle East under the guise of the Arab spring and their next target is the break-up of China. The competition of ideologies between the socialist East and the capitalist West provided a mechanism for checks and balances that kept the lid on the level of exploitation perpetrated by national and international capital."

Frank Arouet 17th Mar 2012 10:21

Is this person is referring to the Industrial Revolution, (as amended),or Australian State politics in 2012? Does he know who Bob Carr is? Does he know how important Bob Carr is? Does he know how important KRudd is? Does he know Wayne Swan is the best treasurer in the World? Does he know Penny Wong and her girlfriend, or Bob brown and his boyfriend? Does he know these creatures control Australia already? Does he know Communism is dead except in Australia? Does he understand Julia Gillard has already won and they are in charge, or is he trying to convert the unconverted?

Bugga me mate and give me a Vegemite sandwich, but I must be missing something here. Strewth Cobber! Fair suck of the sauce bottle! :mad:

RJM 17th Mar 2012 12:12


these creatures control Australia
They do, and the problem is that the democratic system doesn't operate properly in Australia.

ACTU-affiliated unions represent about 13% of Australians, but they have 50% of the vote at ALP national conferences. They control pre-selection, which is why the CV of most Labor MPs reads 'Left wing student activist - political staffer or union official - MP'. They have very limited skills for the job of managing a country.

Now, the ALP is in coaltion with the Greens whom the ALP needs to hold power. So the Greens' infliuence is artificially magnified.

The Greens seem to think their increased influence is due to some sort of moral right, when it is simply the result of exploitation by a cynical ALP.

The ALP/Greens coalition is equivalent to a cynical Liberal party forming a coalition with an extreme Right group, say a Nazi party, in order to hold power. We'd be hearing as much about eugenics as we do about closing the coal industry and soaking the rich as a tax policy.

The sooner we're out of this minority government bind, the better.

We'll still have problems relating to the way both parties operate, but at least the system wil be more democratic.

parabellum 18th Mar 2012 01:27

I think the Coalition LNP could help themselves if they either explained that "turning the boats" back meant they would be turned back in Indonesian waters by the Indonesian authorities, almost before they have started out or change their mantra to "Stopping the Boats"

Most villages in Indonesia, especially those with access to the sea, have a police post with HF radio communication to the police network. The arrival in these villages of 30 to 70 middle easterners would not go unnoticed and would almost certainly be reported, unless the police post had been bribed not to report. Once a report has been received the Indonesian coast guard/navy/maritime police would be able to intercept any boats sailing and turn them back.

This isn't going to happen if bribes are not paid, that is the only way Indonesia works and simply bribing the village policeman won't be enough.
Australia have already provided some patrol boats to Indonesia, they need to provide several more and pay the right people. The cost is likely to be no more than the amount spent today on housing and processing the regular flow of "I've lost my passport and all other documents" illegal economic migrants that continue to arrive, thanks to the ALP dismantling Howard's very successful policy of stopping the boats and that is another alternative, reintroduce that policy.

hellsbrink 18th Mar 2012 04:47

Australia, you have my deepest sympathies

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to run for Australian Senate - Telegraph

Frank Arouet 18th Mar 2012 06:33

Sponsored and proposed by The Greens no less.:suspect:

Worrals in the wilds 18th Mar 2012 08:58


Please tell me that Shaoquett Moselmane, a Labor politician in the NSW Parliament, is not typical of Labor party thinking:
Wow. :eek::eek::eek: Do you think he's recycling first year assignments from a BA (Government)? Most people move on from being student bolsheviks...:hmm:

The Courier Mail has published an Election Night Party drinking game that promises to be fun; no doubt it can be adapted for other Aussie elections with a minimum of bother. :E

Drink whenever...

- You hear 'playing politics', 'faceless men' or 'smear campaign'.
- Someone says they always knew it would be a 'tough fight.'
-There's a play on the words 'Can' and 'Do'.

- Barnaby Joyce's face goes redder than usual.

- A LNP politician refers to the Labor Party as 'old', 'tired' or forgets about Rob Borbidge. Two drinks if Rob Borbidge forgets about Rob Borbidge.

- Campbell and Lisa Newman engage in a public display of affection. Two drinks if things go below the equator.
- Anybody at your party suggests flipping over to Talkin' 'Bout Your Generation.

- A panellist loses their own seat. Two drinks if they cry.
- Antony Green becomes incomprehensible in explaining the voting system. Drink until you can understand him again.

- Graham Richardson says something that makes you wonder what side he's on.

- Bob Katter laments the inconvenience of not being able to boil a billy wherever you want. Two drinks if he discharges a firearm.

And remember...If at any point during the game you get knocked down, get back up again, because we are Queenslanders, the people that they breed tough north of the border! (a much overused Disaster Cliche that will hopefully be prohibited by legislation when the next Government gets in...otherwise there will be mobs at the gates of Parliament House :ugh::ugh::zzz:)
:E
Recipe suggestions for snacks include chicken wings, separated by the butcher into left and right wings for each group of supporters, and grapes, the sourer the better (for when your preferred candidate loses.

All will be a nice addition to the partisan dips (in each party colour), watermelon punch (in honour of the Greens) and peanuts (in honour of Sir Joh, despite the risk they pose to the plasma if things get heated :ouch:) that are already planned.

thing 18th Mar 2012 09:20

Don't know enough about Oz politics to make an informed comment but my son emigrated there in 2005. I go out to see him every year and can't believe how prices have shot up on everything since he's been there. Oz used to be a pleasantly cheap place to live (compared to UK). Not any longer.

I16 18th Mar 2012 11:05

But if you have a Flybuys card you get all sorts of things for nothing.
Also you get up to .08 cents off per litre from fuel for your car.
Austruckinfailure is a great place to live - you just have to make sure you know all the moves.

parabellum 18th Mar 2012 11:26

thing - Don't forget that the Oz dollar is now much stronger than it was seven years ago, your pound then would have bought about A$1 per pound more than today, as a visitor you would certainly notice that.

Worrals in the wilds 18th Mar 2012 11:54

True, but stuff is getting exxy. I can (and do) make a decent meal out of a bag of "dog" bones, buy whatever vegies are on special and don't eat (much :\) processed crap, but my food bills have soared. Fuel...soared. Public transport? Likewise, when it's working. :sad: Water and power bills? I've funded at least a tenth of a power station over the past couple of years, but the same ol' clonker is still limping along with no replacement in sight. If we're supposed to be paying extra to be green, at least use the money to build a new power station that isn't older than my Dear ol' Dad and about as environmentally conscious. :}

I'm sure everyone else has found the same thing. Some things like clothes and gizmos are cheaper, but you can't eat clothes and gizmos, and TBQH all my old clothes and gizmos are still functional.

It's not like retailers are making a big profit on stuff either, at least not the little guys. Costs for business are skyrocketing and a lot of it is government crap. Things like permits, licensing fees, inane training requirements and similar all cost money and eat into the profits. For example...I have a loose affiliation with a small business. Recently Council decreed that it was necessary to have a 'certificate of purpose' for the premises. This certificate would cost about $100, not a huge amount in the scheme of things but it all adds up.

WTF is a 'certificate of purpose'? asked the owner. 'It says what the building is used for' was the answer from the Council poppet. Said building's purpose is pretty damned obvious from the front, as an example imagine a restaurant with a big neon sign of a pizza and 'Joe's Pizza Joint' written below it, a stripy awning and a counter with a pizza menu and a bunch of dudes cooking up...pizzas. :ugh::ugh::ugh: It's not actually a pizza joint, but its purpose is similarly obvious.

Council were told to take their certificate and do rude things with it. So far...his victory, but who knows what the future brings. Ask anyone who has a liquor license or serves food about useless regulations that all cost money and watch them break down and weep with frustration.

I'm all for safe workplaces, fair pay and all the usual flag waving stuff, but the facile regulations that penalise the law abiding businesses without stopping the rogue operators, mandatory 'training' (an enormous racket of an industry that bleeds everyone dry, thanks to its cosy little relationship with all three levels of government :yuk:) and petty government form filling as an excuse for extracting revenue is puke making.

Maybe when everyone's gone broke and no-one is left to pay the stupid license fees they'll twig. Maybe, but I'm not holding my breath.


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