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Frank Arouet 13th Mar 2012 08:47

Buying a Powerball ticket this afternoon and noted 4 staunch Labor mates doing likewise. It came upon me to ask what would they do with $3 million, and surprise, upon surprise, all answered boats, aeroplanes, luxury homes, travel, but yet not one, said he was going to share anything with anybody.

I guess when you win money, you forget about wealth redistribution.

Worrals in the wilds 13th Mar 2012 09:48

Your family doesn't. :eek::}
I've never won anything of note and I don't do lotto, but people who do win say that even ex-third cousins twice removed turn up with the paw out.

Zorro Polilla 13th Mar 2012 10:27


Ah...that obviously explains why the government has slipped in the polls again.

About the only saving grace for Gillard is that she is now 2 points clear of Abbott as PM. Two points!!! Any sitting PM with any kind of mandate from the public should be well clear of that.
If you want to talk about popularity contests sisemen did you hear the one about the Liberal leader trailing Julia "like a cheapskate hypnotist in a run-down circus"?





‘‘He’s saying to the electorate ‘look into my eyes, you are growing weaker, no more boats, end Labor’s big bad tax, debt and deficit.

‘‘It’s a very cheap performance and if you paid five bucks to get into Wirth’s Circus and that’s all you got from the hypnotist you’d ask for your money back.

‘‘The endless repetition of these slogans is like an attempt by a trainee hypnotist to work wonders on a cobra in basket.’’
Mr Carr was responding to the latest Newspoll, which showed the hangover from the Labor leadership brawl manifesting in a four-point collapse in the party’s primary vote.

But Prime Minister Julia Gillard received a boost in the survey, overtaking the Opposition Leader in the preferred prime minister stakes, with support of 39 per cent compared with Mr Abbott’s 37 per cent.

The poll shows while Labor’s primary vote slipped from 35 per cent — recorded just before the leadership ballot between Ms Gillard and Kevin Rudd — to 31 per cent, the Coalition’s primary vote also fell over the same two-week period, sliding from 45 per cent to 43 per cent.

New Assistant Treasurer David Bradbury backed Mr Carr’s comments, saying that the Coalition was the clear loser from the poll results, given their primary vote fell despite the ‘‘tumultuous last couple of weeks’’ to befall Labor.

‘‘If I was a Liberal backbencher, I’d be scratching my head wondering how after the events of the last two weeks the Liberal party primary vote could go down,’’ Mr Bradbury said.

‘‘I would be equally scratching my head how Mr Abbott’s position as preferred prime minister could go backwards.’’




The Coalition’s primary of 43 per cent also represents its worst showing this year, down from highs of 46 per cent in February and 48 per cent in November.
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CoodaShooda 13th Mar 2012 10:39

Seems Mr Bradbury is departing from stated Government policy of not paying attention to the polls.

Meanwhile, back in poll land, Essential Research has Labor now on just 43 per cent to the Coalition’s 57, 2PP.

Who to believe? :confused:

Buster Hyman 13th Mar 2012 10:42

http://images.nationaltimes.com.au/2...4929192892.jpg

Bob has just asked them how much good the Carbon Tax will do for Australia.

Worrals in the wilds 13th Mar 2012 11:31

Bob looks like the bloke who's desperately trying to be part of the gang by getting the joke, and failing dismally. Bit of a school dance moment happening there..."I'll just keep grinning and nodding and maybe I'll get a pash later, maybe...after all, I'm head of the Year 12 History Group! Wish Mum hadn't made me wear this stoopid suit though.":}

That said, IMO it was a good line about the hypnotist. Bit of a change to hear one of them attacking the opposition instead of each other.

RJM 13th Mar 2012 12:55

What a sickening photograph.

Gillard, Left-wing university activist to union lawyer to duplicitous careerist who ruthlessly assassinates her own leader and seizes power. Depised by many, she clings to power because she is the least worst option.

Bryce, Left-wing university activist to law school academic who discovered early a route to power - leveraging her gender to sit on a bewildering number (over 60 appointments since 1978) of womens' advisory councils, boards, committees, equal opportrunity tribunals and sex discrimination commissions. By the time Bryce became governor of Queensland in 2003, she must have met or sat oin a committee with everyone who could influence her career.

Carr, Left-wing university activist who spent time as a journalist before entering state politics with the long-term ambition of moving to federal politics, becoming Australia's Foreign Minister and making announcements of great importance in his sonorous bass.

i think Gillard and Bryce are laughinj\g at the realisation that their paydays have coincided, but that neither of them has to pay for a thing any more..

Carr can't understand what either of them is saying.

Flying Binghi 13th Mar 2012 13:34

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...Carr, Left-wing university activist who spent time as a journalist before entering state politics with the long-term ambition of moving to federal politics, becoming Australia's Foreign Minister and making announcements of great importance in his sonorous bass...
Bob Carr commenting on Gillards race riot...

"...As Premier I never saw a demonstration that didn’t hurt the side that mounted it. And I was never persuaded by a noisy crowd with a few placards. A carefully mounted case with killer facts was a different proposition..." The Mistake of the PM’s Staffer: The Myth of the “Demo” « Thoughtlines with Bob Carr

Hmmm... seems sensible enuff.


Now we have Bob Carr on global warming...

"...the party should campaign all this year on global warming. Well, first, because it is the biggest threat to humanity..." Campaigning as an Ex « Thoughtlines with Bob Carr

OK Bob, lets see them "killer facts" ....:)





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Clare Prop 13th Mar 2012 17:23

Meanwhile similar to the lotto ticket buyers, I've found a way to shut up the Gina bashers....just ask "if Lang was your dad and left you that inheritance, what would you have done differently?" I wonder how Swan would answer that. My family had a trust fought over in court and 80 yes 80 years later when it was finally settled the money had all gone to lawyers and there was nothing left for the descendants. I can't blame her for not wanting to turn it into some "jarndyce and jarndyce" Bleak house fiasco.

bob johns 13th Mar 2012 22:56

bob johns
 
Ref the Hancock Legacy and the unseemly brawl attached thereto it would seem that the old expression From clogs to clogs in 3 generations is Still eminently applicable.

Worrals in the wilds 14th Mar 2012 01:18

From what I can gather she's complaining because her kids were pampered and given lots of stuff. Guess what Gina, who gave it all to them? You, perhaps? It's not like she made her money from scratch anyway, so she was probably just as pampered as her own brats.

At least she couldn't buy herself a justice system. Nothing in the whole sad story was worthy of suppression, even if it was embarassing. Other people don't get to suppress stories just because they're embarassed, and being a billionaire shouldn't change that, even if said billionaire owns a big stake in a news network.

Frank Arouet 14th Mar 2012 01:26

She tried to buy them a cowboy outfit the other day,

The ALP.

RJM 14th Mar 2012 02:01

Ha ha.

In Ashgrove, Queensland, Premier Anna Bligh has just admitted that she has no evidence for the smears she's been making against Liberal Campbell Newman that he and his family have been corruptly involved with developers. Newman has twice been cleared by Bligh's Crime and Misconduct Commission on such charges.

'But I've still got a lot of questions,' insists Bligh.

It's hard to choose between the candidates in Ashgrove:

Kate Jones (ALP) arrived in the Queensland Parliament in 2006 aged 27. Her political flame was ignited in 1996, she says, when John Howard toppled Paul Keating. She despised Howard.

That was also the year she was sent by Labor to the Queensland Youth Parliament where she was elected 'Premier'.

After completing an arts degree in media studies at QUT, Jones worked in the office of former state treasurer David Hamill. She was 21.

From there she switched to the office of Robert Schwarten, the Works Minister. She was a member of his Labor Unity faction, which got her pre-selected, elected and later propelled her into cabinet where her achievements were scant.

At 14, she worked after school for a few months in McDonald’s at the Myer Centre in the Brisbane CBD. Nevertheless it has to be said that Jones has been a prisoner of the Labor Party all her adult life and has little experience outside it.

Newman got a Bachelor of Engineering degree with first class honours before joining the Army where he stayed for 13 years serving in Germany, Hawaii, the Solomon Islands and PNG. Returning to the private sector, he gained an MBA and ran the state’s massive grain handling system with 600 employees. Next he worked as a management consultant for blue-chip firms BHP, Australia Coal and Telstra.

Apart from a brief stint as an ALP organiser, Jones ever only had a glancing blow with private business at Maccas.

Newman also had seven years in City Hall, becoming one of the most successful lord mayors in Brisbane’s history.

One would naturally be denounced as sexist for saying so, but Jones’ accomplishments are extremely modest beside Newman’s.

Worrals in the wilds 14th Mar 2012 02:17

Jones' strength is that the electorate like her. She shows up to stuff (not just in the campaign period). She shops at the local shops and talks to people about Issues while she's there. She gets stuff for the electorate. She was a Minister (a fairly average one, but not offensive) and electorates like that too. She's from the area and people went to school with her. While she'll never be a Spence or a Nolan, she's likeable, genuine by pollie standards and justifiably popular, particularly with women. The HUGE local 'Keep Kate' campaign has been tireless and genuinely enthusiastic. While a lot of the campaigners are the usual suspects (party members, trade unionists etc) there have been plenty of formerly non political local people getting on the bandwagon as well.

In short, she's the sort of local MP that is never going to be premier, but hard to roll due to local support. While Newman was a popular Lord Mayor, I hear from the electorate (only a couple of sources, but both swinging voters) that they've found him very unexciting and the LNP campaign material fairly offensive (which I thought was interesting, because the stuff I'm getting in a different electorate isn't). They also think he should have stood in his own seat of Stafford against Hinchliffe. He may still make it over the line (Sportsbet has him to win) but I really doubt it will be a wipeout.

However, the papers are forgetting to mention that the Enoggera Army Barracks is within the electorate with a couple of thousand resident soldiers. I very much doubt that the pollsters have been making it through the ADF phone system, so the published polls are probably missing their input. They may well even up the predicted 'loss to preferences' factor, because I doubt that 7th Brigade has all that many resident lefties :E.

What I have become convinced of is that at the end of the day, swinging voters (the only sort that count) vote for or against local members, rather than for or against parties. I think that played a big part in Gambaro's win in the federal seat of Brisbane against Arch Bevis. At the end of the day, Gambaro was the one who was out and about shaking hands and talking to people. Everyone knows the Gambaros.

The comment you heard from a lot of people in that electorate was 'who is Arch Bevis and what has he done for us lately'? The main comment from Ashgrove seems to be 'why us and what did we do to deserve this, and what's Newman doing here anyway'? :{:}

RJM 14th Mar 2012 02:58

...and 'Will people stop knocking at my door!'

I think you're right about how swingine voters vote, WitW. Also the fact that Jones has a thin CV doesn't mean she won't be an effective representative for the pram-pushing mums and blokes-in-the-street of her electorate.

The photo above reminds me of Monty Python's Four Yorkshiremen, written for Three Old Lefties.

'Who'da thought, Obadiah, that we'd be standing here today...'

It is ironic. The editor of the socialist rag Gillard, the committed feminist Bryce and the Left-wing history buff Carr - all anti-Establishment, anti privilege and anti wealth: they are now Prime Minister, Governor-General and Foreign Minister, all with personal staff, government cars and drivers, big incomes, expensive clothes and a few awards from the Queen to boot.

I wonder what their old uni ratbag selves would have made of what they have become?

Flying Binghi 14th Mar 2012 03:28

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...It is ironic. The editor of the socialist rag Gillard, the committed feminist Bryce and the Left-wing history buff Carr - all anti-Establishment, anti privilege and anti wealth: they are now Prime Minister, Governor-General and Foreign Minister, all with personal staff, government cars and drivers, big incomes, expensive clothes and a few awards from the Queen to boot.


I wonder what their old uni ratbag selves would have made of what they have become?


Heh, ah think Bob Carr may have even flasher clothing in mind.

Bob is starting to get so far up himself ah thinks he is starting to identify himself as one of the "historic elite"....


"...with her are more than half a dozen of her favorites, her courtiers posing with costume and jewelry designed to show off their loyalty..."



http://bobcarrblog.files.wordpress.c...dney.jpg?w=600

Faces of the Historic Elite « Thoughtlines with Bob Carr





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sisemen 14th Mar 2012 04:34


The Coalition’s primary of 43 per cent also represents its worst showing this year, down from highs of 46 per cent in February and 48 per cent in November.
Unfortunately for your chosen side Zoro, it still means that the ALP is going to get booted out big time come the day :}:}

And maybe it's my mind, but as we are contributing to the caption competition...

"With the recent history of the ALP fckuing everyone over - guess what future for you Jooliar I'm pointing at!"

http://images.nationaltimes.com.au/2...4929192892.jpg

RJM 14th Mar 2012 04:43

Heh.

'When there’s time I need to report on my reading: Joseph Roth’s Hotel Savoy and Gogol’s Dead Souls. A touch of the European appetite for the absurd. And read, the second one, on an e-reader, the first time I’ve embarked on this apostasy.'

You have to shake your head. My brother-in-law, a Sydney sophisticate, calls it 'Snort Lines With Bob Carr'.

WitW - A complication for the voters of Ashgrove is that they are not only voting for a local representative, they are voting for better management for a state in dire trouble due to mismanagement.

Worrals in the wilds 14th Mar 2012 05:45

That's the thing. I don't think people do that, although they probably should. I think they vote on local issues. Anyway, it will be an interesting election all round. :8

Also, everyone is tipping the LNP to win the election whatever happens to Campbell. Campbell's pitch (flawed, I believe) has been to put the whole onus sqarely on Ashgrove, but of course that's not the case.

The LNP can win without Newman, and given his performance during the campaign (and I was a fan of him as LM) it may be better for them if they do. IMO he's starting to look like he just doesn't care any more, and to be honest, who could blame him?


and a few awards from the Queen to boot.
That's the funniest part. :E I can't elaborate or I'd probably get jailed for sedition, but let's just say that apparently Quentin wasted no time putting on manners to match Government House, and that was just in Queensland. Of course maybe most of the staff walked out soon after her arrival because they all simultaneously Felt Like A Change, but ...:hmm:
Lord knows what it's like in Canberra with Queen Quent ruling the roost! :ooh:

Frank Arouet 14th Mar 2012 06:11

Did it escape everyone's attention that the new Foreign Minister Carr's first duty was to speak with his NZ counterpart a couple of days before he was sworn in? Not that I am making a big deal of that, but the man does live in NZ, so it begs my question, did he fly the Boeing BBJ there or catch a commercial flight. Oh! and what's his current address?


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