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allan907 19th Oct 2012 00:59

So, we got the UN Security Council seat. Big deal. Stand by for a few days of strutting and preening from Gillard and Carr et al.

Wonder if Kruddy thinks he's up for the gig? Wonder if Jooliar thinks it would be a good place to park him out of the way?

500N 19th Oct 2012 01:34

"Stand by for a few days of strutting and preening"

You can say that again !


Who started this whole thing off anyway
(trying to get a seat on the Sec council ?)

Captain Sand Dune 19th Oct 2012 01:54


AUSTRALIA has scored a surprising and emphatic win in its bid for a seat on the United Nations Security Council, coming well ahead of its opponents Luxembourg and Finland with 140 of a possible 193 votes.
"Let me just say to you, it is always good to see Australia win," said Foreign Minister, Bob Carr, stepping out of the UNís Great Hall in New York shortly after the vote.
"This was a big, juicy, decisive win. And itís very, very sweet."
The vote means Australia will serve for two years as one of 10 non - permanent of the Security Council, joining the five permanent member nations in influencing crucial decisions about military interventions across the world.
International aid agency Oxfam says Australia has a chance to make a real difference to world peace following its election to the United Nations Security Council.
Oxfam Australia executive director Andrew Hewett urged Australia to make the most of its rare but brief stint at the most powerful table in the world.
"But Australia needs to hit the ground running with a clear vision if it wants to make a real difference to the peace and security of women, men and children around the world.''
So Oxfam gives policy advice to Australia now?

For historical reasons, Australia was grouped in the Western Europe & Others category, and was pitted against Luxembourg and Finland in a secret ballot for two seats of the five available seats.
Insiders had expected Finland, which began its campaign for a seat in 2001, would win easily, especially as Australia only joined the bid in 2008, when Kevin Rudd was still prime minister.
After five years and $25 million, Foreign Minister Bob Carr went into the Great Hall just before 10am (1am AEDT) saying he was "nervous" about Australiaís chances.
$25 million!!! For 2 years, thatís $34,246 for every DAY!!

Just after midday (3am AEDT), the vote came in.
The announcement that Australia had come in first must have shocked Finland, whose leaders had seemed certain they would get one of the two seats.
Instead, Luxembourg got 128 votes and Finland 108. The two nations then went to a runoff vote, Luxembourg winning with 131 votes to Finlandís 60.
Other countries which won seats on the day were Rwanda, Argentina and South Korea.
The five-year campaign to lobby for a seat on the Security Council cost $24 million, which Senator Carr said was money well spent.
So now itís $24 million. Make your minds up boys!

"It was a modest amount to pay for us to get the endorsement of 140 countries out of 193,'' Senator Carr told the Seven Network this morning.
Thatís your opinion Bob. I reckon most taxpaying Australians would beg to differ!

Mr Carr said Prime Minister Julia Gillardís work at the UN this year had been influential, and he also acknowledged Mr Rudd for initiating the bid in 2008.
"I want to note the vindication of Kevin Rudd to enter this ballot at this time," Mr Carr said. "It was much criticised but his judgment has been vindicated."
Mr Carr said he would not engage in any "shallow mischief making" as to whether Mr Rudd would seek to claim it as a personal victory.
Really Bob? So why mention it then?

Australia had downplayed its chances of winning a seat, with those close to the lobbying saying they expected they would go to run-off battle with Luxembourg after Finland won easily.
But Australiaís Ambassador to the UN, Gary Quinlan, said at a press conference after the vote that the 140 countries that had voted for Australia had all given, and kept their word, in the secret ballot.
"People voted the way they told us they would vote," said Mr Quinlan.
Parliamentary secretary Richard Marles, also in New York, said the key to Australia winning the seat were the Pacific nations, Africa and the Caribbean nations, who had all pledged their support for Australia.
Mr Marles promised that Australia would also represent them at the Security Council.
Australia now joins the 10 non-permanent countries that will vote along with the five permanent UNSC members, China, France, UK, Russia and the US.
The permanent members retain the power of veto, meaning that one of them can stand in the way of taking military action or imposing heavy sanctions if they so decide.
Mr Quinlan said the job of the Security Council was much wider than the veto power that tended to dominate news. He said the UN currently had 130,000 troops across the ground and 15 peacekeeping missions.
He said Australia would begin observing meetings and then take its seat on January 1. He expected there would be 1500 informal and formal meetings over the coming two years.
The last Australian Ambassador to the UN, Richard Woolcott, who served on the UNSC from 1985 to 1986, said non-permanent members could have real influence on world affairs, and said three such nations were key to ending the Iran-Iraq conflict during his tenure.
Australia has served on the UN Security Council of four previous occasions.
I love how the Australian meeja report this like a win for a sporting team.
Well, now what? I guess Labour will crow about this as a win for Australia. To be fair, I expect the Libs would have as well.
When it comes to the UN, my cynicism grows. What are we going to get for our $25 million investment? Right now, all I anticipate is more expenditure and grandstanding pollies.

500N 19th Oct 2012 01:58

More gun control.

I hate the UN, WOFTAM.

gupta 19th Oct 2012 02:24

So we're right up there with Argentina & Rwanda. Rwanda????

CoodaShooda 19th Oct 2012 02:48

Not to mention Azerbaijan, Guatamala, Columbia and Togo.

We're really in the Big League now.


(I wonder how much labor is prepared to offer for my vote.
What would it be worth for a male, white, Anglican, Australian-born, middle class, private sector employed, privately health insured voter living in a long term, stable marriage with a person of the opposite sex and earning more than $80,000pa to give his vote to Julia and Co? :E)

Fubaar 19th Oct 2012 03:14

Another 74 plus a crew of three have turned up off Ashmore Reef. That fearsome risk of being sent to Nauru has all the hopefuls seriously re-considering their options, doesn't it? - not!

Meanwhile, suicide attempts on Nauru as people despair after encountering "cruel, bureaucratic indifference" to their need to get to Australia withiout delay. (From today's 'Age'.)

500N 19th Oct 2012 03:40

At this rate, we ship 100 to Nauru, leave them for 6 months to a year,
with returns and suicides, we might only have 10 - 20 left to start processing :ok:

Maybe it will work !

Takan Inchovit 19th Oct 2012 04:36


(I wonder how much labor is prepared to offer for my vote.
What would it be worth for a male, white, Anglican, Australian-born, middle class, private sector employed, privately health insured voter living in a long term, stable marriage with a person of the opposite sex and earning more than $80,000pa to give his vote to Julia and Co? )
Youse' minorities are all the same! :ok:

Clare Prop 19th Oct 2012 04:51

Someone I know put their "right to vote in an Australian election" up for auction on ebay...ebay didn't like it and took it down.

Fubaar 19th Oct 2012 05:02

I know I shouldn't be surprised, (after all, the UN is known to be about as corrupt as corrupt can get), but still I'm gob-smacked that there's absolutely no attempt to hide the fact that Australia spent - pick the amount, 24, 25, 40 million - and overall, apparently over 3 BILLION dollars BUYING (I'd make so bold to say "bribing our way to") a bloody seat on the Security Council.

...and Bob Carr says that whatever we spent, it was "cheap". Give me a break. The inmates really have taken over the asylum.

Buster Hyman 19th Oct 2012 05:47


What are we going to get for our $25 million investment?
You're assuming that the $25 million is all we'll have to spend. Let's see the final tally at the end of our term eh? :suspect:

owen meaney 19th Oct 2012 05:58

Another word for Maquarie dictionary to alter to Newspeak
Infantile

Andu 19th Oct 2012 06:49


..and Bob Carr says that whatever we spent, it was "cheap".
No, our Bob said that 25 million was "a modest amount".

I'm sure there are quite a few of us who'd wince having to pay out even 1% of that "modest amount".

Croozin 19th Oct 2012 08:39

I wonder how much Rawanda had to cough up for its seat? Not 24 mill, I'd be guessing. A couple of bags of blood diamonds?

Clare Prop 19th Oct 2012 10:49

Add on the costs of all the asylum seekers they let in to look good with the UN.....

Fliegenmong 19th Oct 2012 10:57

What would it be worth for a male, white, Anglican, Australian-born, middle class, private sector employed, privately health insured voter living in a long term, stable marriage with a person of the opposite sex and earning more than $80,000pa to give his vote to Julia and Co?

EXACTLY my predicament Cooda!!.....'cept the earning 80k part!! Trying to, but well South of that, way South of that in fact :sad: And I know a coalition gummint will ensure I can earn less again whilst doing the same and/or more work!......

The Q about what has the gummint done to warrant support is , well, maybe the pensioners ...didn't they get a bigger increase in pension than they ever did under the Howard gummint with Rudd? After they marched nude or something?? :eek:

Anyways, similarly a question could be posed, what has the opposition done to warrant support?.....nothing.....yet someone somewhere posted 'At least give them a chance'.....yeah right, the last chance they had was to screw us over as best they could!

Of course the libs will say we'll keep our powder dry until election time....fair enough...
Repeal the Carbon Tax?? Bet you Brisbane to a brick they will not! The reason will be that it is now too firmly entrenched to remove....and to 'ice' it, it will be the previous governments fault ..... Big Yawn, Ho Hum... etc etc...

The Howard / Costello fiasco of a f*(ked up government ensures that I will never vote for them ever again, Red Bogans Bullshit has ensured I will not be voting for them either

I hope what WITW said was not true, I'd hate to see the man in the hat get caught up in it all (Yes, I know who his Dad was etc etc)

And the boats?? what friggin boats?? I couldn't give a flying f&*k about boats I never see, boats that never directly concern me, boats miles out off friggin anywhere....As a Queenslander, I want to know what Campbell Newman is doing about the cost of living?..nothing....increasing the cost of living with his tolls, and damaging small business by reducing the amount of money available to it by increasing the states unemployment? Smart state my @rse.....and the gentleman (?) in the speedos has a similarly inept and incompetent approach??

Costello's woeful performance as treasurer should not be forgotten by the electorate.....and the same people advising Swan were advising costello should also not be forgotten by the electorate

It is said we get the government we deserve....I don't! I don't deserve this current bunch of @rse clowns, and as a

'male, white, Anglican, Australian-born, middle class, private sector employed, privately health insured voter living in a long term, stable marriage with a person of the opposite sex'


I don't deserve to be so cruelly discarded as a contributing member of society as a coalition government will discard me

Buster Hyman 19th Oct 2012 12:14

Could it be?

Could Fleigs have typed something I agree with? Neither side warrants our support, neither has covered themselves in glory, but we probably still lean our traditional ways.

Will the Coalition repeal the Carbon Tax? Doubt it. Did the ALP repeal the GST? Nope. Pigs at the trough.


I couldn't give a flying f&*k about boats I never see, boats that never directly concern me, boats miles out off friggin anywhere
That's just head in the sand stuff. We're indirectly supporting a people smuggling industry by not having strong borders. Personally, I want the boats stopped, and a proper, humane, dignified, and safe system that accommodates refugees. Genuine refugees.


The Q about what has the gummint done to warrant support is , well, maybe the pensioners ...didn't they get a bigger increase in pension than they ever did under the Howard gummint with Rudd?
Not my pensioners. What the left hand gave, the left hand took away. Its a traditional demographic that the ALP couldn't give a flying f**k about & his "generosity" was seen for what it was, a grubby vote grabbing opportunity from a grubby little man.

CoodaShooda 19th Oct 2012 14:21

And the Hamster Wheel merrily brings us back to the "none of the above" box on the ballot paper. :E

I'm apparently everything the labor government despises (short of being a mining billionaire). So I can't support a self-declared enemy.

I've never been a fan of Abbott and Bishop and I think Turnbull would be a disaster as PM.

And my local contenders, those who I have to consider giving my vote to, make Stephen Conroy appear to be colossus among men by comparison.

WTF do we have to do to get some candidates who can instil confidence and garner respect?

500N 19th Oct 2012 14:32

I see Rupert Murdoch tweeted "WHO CARES" about Australia getting
a seat on the council.

And that it was going to cost us billions in the long run.


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