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Dark Knight 7th Oct 2012 03:09

[quote]“Beware of men with wonky eyes”[/quote]

Ashby as being Slippered In?

Labor’s Speaker of Choice?

PinkusDickus 7th Oct 2012 03:32

For those who are foolish enough to believe Australia is in good shape:

http://www.roymorgan.com/library//x59764_8.jpg


In September 2012 an estimated 1.213 million Australians (10% of the workforce, up 0.2% in a month) were unemployed, and the Australian workforce* was 12,150,000, (down 129,000 in a month) – comprising 7,345,000 full-time workers (up 82,000); 3,592,000 part-time workers (down 219,000) and 1,213,000 looking for work (up 8,000) according to Roy Morgan.

• A further 903,000 Australians are under-employed - working part-time and looking for more work. This is 23,000 less than a month ago, and represents 7.4% of the workforce* – down 0.1% this month.

• In total 2.116 million Australians were unemployed or under-employed in September is virtually unchanged with 15,000 less than last month, 17.4% (up 0.1%) of the workforce. However, this is up a significant 462,000 over the past 12 months since September 2011.

• The latest Roy Morgan unemployment estimate of 10.0% is now nearly double the 5.1% currently quoted by the ABS for August 2012.
And for those who are equally foolish to think that business is confident of the future:

http://www.roymorgan.com/library/k15369_8.jpg



The fall in Business Confidence comes after heavy falls on Australian sharemarkets in early September as concerns mounted that Australia’s ‘Mining Boom’ may be coming to an end. These are the latest findings from the Roy Morgan Research Business Confidence Survey conducted among a representative sample of 2,676 businesses across Australia in September 2012.

The concerns about the sustainability of Australia’s ‘Mining Boom’ mounted in early September after BHP Billiton cancelled $30 billion worth of expansion at its giant Olympic Dam mine in South Australia and the further development of its harbour facilities at Port Hedland in Western Australia. Iron ore miner Fortescue added to the gloom as it sacked 1,000 employees and contractors as the iron ore price plunged below $100 per tonne.

Sven Langolier 7th Oct 2012 07:32


My guess would be that 95% of the REAL people (disregarding the Bobby Limbs, Mickey Mouses and Donald Ducks etc) who signed the "sack Alan Jones" petition have never tuned in to 2GB (or any AM station) in their lives. Half of them probably don't even have an AM option on their radios or are too young to know that there WAS an AM option on old radios.
Being a listener was never a prerequisite. But in any case that completely misses the point.

It was all about mobilising people power, decent [1] people power, versus the hitherto untouchable political propagandist, and more importantly via his advertisers and sponsors against the platform he utilises to spread his hateful messages.

A point which has already been made above.


The Liberals just do not get it do they?

Even when you smack them between the eyes with a multi-million dollar plank of 4X2.

It's a whole new world of social communication out there and the days when someone thought they could monopolise a platform like radio,TV or blogs or even forums like this to spread hatred and lies with impunity are thankfully over.


But, whatever you think about that, you have to doff your hat to GetUp et al, they know how to mount a "mock outrage" campaign.
Seventy major companies withdrawing their advertising sponsorship is "mock outrage"?
Pull the other one!Q.E.D.

" Announcing the suspension of advertising, MRN Executive Chairman Russell Tate said, "the nature, tone and volume of the reaction to Jones’ remarks, and in particular the threats being made through social media to companies advertising in Jones' program and the disruption being caused to their businesses, have made it necessary for MRN to call some 'time out"."

[1] There is one simple thing to say about radio personality Alan Jones' remark on the cause of death of Julia Gillard's father John. It was a low-rent comment that an ordinary decent man would not make. Michelle Grattan

hellsbrink 7th Oct 2012 07:59

Gee, Sven, you don't get it.

AJ made some comments which were INTENDED to stir up some sort of controversy and publicity, and it worked. There's now going to be more people listening to the station, many sitting there waiting for the slightest hint of something the can go all indignant over and "write a letter of complaint" about, and that leads to the market share of 2GB rising above the almost 20% share AJ had in 2011. And you people fall for it every time, these stations go out to target people like you who will be "offended" by something you haven't even heard, same as the muslims did over a certain movie clip they never even watched, something that MUST be offensive to you since it targets someone in the ALP no matter what it's about. And you sheep fall for it every time, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

You don't get it, the best thing you do about something like that is ignore it. No publicity from "Disgruntled of Dover Heights" means no more AJ on the radio. But y'all just can't help yourselves, you just have to give him what he craves.

Andu 7th Oct 2012 08:06

I think the smartest thing Tony Abbott could do now - well before the election - is to come out publicly and say something along the lines of "The larder is bare - even barer than bare. Thanks to Labor's profligate spending, the country is so deeply in debt that my full wage maternity leave programme is not currently sustainable. As much as I would like to be in a position to implement it, it's simply not sustainable with the national debt as high as it is."

With such a statement, he would regain some fiscal credibility.



And Sven, quoting your own posts to argue your point is... shall we say "unusual" - in the extreme.

As for Alan Jones, my guess would be that damn near every other announcer at 2GB would love to see him retire, if only to allow a bit of promotion - but, I suspect, not just for that reason.

I find his persona on air to be not to my taste, and I only rarely listen to him for more than a minute or two before switching stations. He doesn't listen to what his interviewees are saying, but hectors them, even, to some degree, those he agrees with. His style doesn't work for me, and nor, I suspect, does it work for many others. But the old chooks who phone in love him.

Croozin 7th Oct 2012 08:56


full wage maternity leave programme is not currently sustainable
It never was. Crazy scheme, a policy more Labor than Labor. If he tries to keep such a crazy promise, the country will remain broke, no matter how many other painful savings he makes in other areas.

Buster Hyman 7th Oct 2012 09:15


And Sven, quoting your own posts to argue your point is... shall we say "unusual" - in the extreme.
lol...Is that like talking to yourself? We all know what that indicates.

So, here we have a situation about free speech.

Alan Jones says something, that I think we all agree on, was low, insulting, in bad taste, and uncalled for. Regardless of where, why, how he said it, it was bad taste. So, what would you normally do if such comments offended you? Would you stop listening? Write a complaint?

Or, would you wait, like a sheep, for some Uni student or GetUp to start a Facebook campaign that tells you how to react? Have we fallen so low that as a society, our indignation must be directed by others who intend to orchestrate our reaction? If you don't see the issue here, I suggest you read 1984 by George Orwell to see the potential outcome of such submission.

When people answer by quoting "facts" & the writings of other people, rather than articulating their own thoughts & perceptions, its easy to see who is already submissive to the cause. :rolleyes:

Worrals in the wilds 7th Oct 2012 10:06


AJ made some comments which were INTENDED to stir up some sort of controversy and publicity, and it worked.
I dunno about that. These comments were made at a private function, not on air. It was only because someone present recorded it that they made the light of day; Lord knows what he's said at other functions and in his private life. :uhoh: Personally I think this was a controlled burn that got away.

Will it hurt him in the long run? Probably not. Vile Sandilands is still on air with his ditzy sidekick giggling beside him. :yuk:

The thing with Getup campaigns is that anyone can start a petition. Frequently anyone does; take a tour through the list and you can find all manner of disgruntled people with an axe to grind and a few of their friends signing on in support. Most of them languish in obscurity and do nothing except maybe make the petitioner feel better :zzz:. This one has grown legs, and IMO that's because a lot of people thought his comments were horrible. They don't necessarily think AJ's comments are part of a big Liberal conspiracy (despite the ALP's manic milking of the situation) but they thought they were out of line.

So, what would you normally do if such comments offended you? Would you stop listening? Write a complaint?
Been there, done that :cool:. Probably you have too.

What the internet has done (and particuarly Facebook) is made it a lot easier to record dissaffection. You don't have to type out a letter, print it off, find your stamps (and work out if they're still valid or if the postal charges have gone up since your last diatribe :\) and send it off to the relevant body. These days you just click, click, type in your address and you've registered your complaint.

I know someone who's been active in the online anti-Alan Jones campaign. I haven't signed any of the petitions for a number of reasons, but she's certainly not an ALP stooge, in fact I don't think she's a member of the Party. If anything she's a Greens supporter which is scary enough :eek:, but her beliefs are her own. I've known her for over a decade and don't recall her being active in this sort of thing before, though she's a well meaning, common/garden huggy fluff.

Sometimes these campaigns are started by people who feel strongly about the issue and their campaign encourages other people to join in. Whether the Facebook Campaign actually reflects a true level of community angst remains to be seen; it's a new medium. Certainly she's a lot more het up about the issue than most people I know, so maybe it's just a more contagious version of The Angry Letter.

Of course the advertisers love it because they perceive that they can get a feel for what people want; at least the people who use the internet, anyway. Whether those people will actually boycott a business because it advertises with a person they don't agree with remains to be seen :hmm:. I know a heck of a lot of people who ostensibly support worthy causes on the internet like free range eggs, but still fang into Sausage and Egg McMuffins at every opportunity.

Outrage is all the rage these days, and I don't think the AJ campaign has been orchestrated by the ALP. Apart from anything else, they're not that organized; you can see their dated and overblown efforts on the nightly news :bored:. The question is whether it translates into a behaviour change, and whether quantifiable numbers of people will actually stop buying from advertisers for more than a week after they've signed a petition. As someone already said, most of those petitioners would never dream of listening to the Alan Jones show anyway. TBQH, I think most people have already moved on.

hellsbrink 7th Oct 2012 10:15


I dunno about that. These comments were made at a private function, not on air.
Doesn't mean he didn't intend to stir things up, knowing there was a chance that a lot of tickets would be sold for a day trip on the Outrage Bus.

Buster Hyman 7th Oct 2012 10:16


Sometimes these campaigns are started by people who feel strongly about the issue and their campaign encourages other people to join in.
Indeed they do, but they can also lose control of it as quickly as its started. Wasn't there a Facebook party in BNE this week that went out of control? Sometimes it takes on a life of its own, other times, its gently pushed by others with an agenda.


...would never dream of listening to the Alan Jones show anyway.
You can put me down as one of those!

allan907 7th Oct 2012 10:39

Do another post in about a month Seven, if you stick around that long. You'll probably find that his ratings are back to normal, if not above, and the previously outraged advertisers will be falling over themselves to offer deals to ensure that they get back on his programmes.

He'll probably end up with 2 Mercedes :E

And then he's really going to stick it to your side :}

Worrals in the wilds 7th Oct 2012 10:57


Wasn't there a Facebook party in BNE this week that went out of control? Sometimes it takes on a life of its own, other times, its gently pushed by others with an agenda.
Makes me nostalgic, I've been to massive parties at Holland Park too, though we never managed to trash two police cars so badly that they had to be towed away...:uhoh:
Teenagers arrested over house party riot

I guess the thing is, there have always been massive, out of control parties. Long before the internet was heard of outside geek circles, the richest girl at my school decided to have an open invite sixteenth birthday party at her parent's mansion on the outskirts of Brisbane. About three hundred dodgy drunks turned up and trashed the joint.

This'll make you laugh, but a fellow sixteen year old girlfriend and I (both of us forwards on the hockey team, and as such, the school Toughs :\) saw how terrified she was and set ourselves up as bouncers :eek:. We stood at the front gate and told bands of hoons that they couldn't come in without an invite. Some of them were on motorbikes and carrying slabs of beer (probably drugs too, but we hadn't heard of that stuff :O). The scary thing was; it worked. We got rid of them ('piss off, you haven't got an invite and we don't :mad:ing know you :})' until her dopey millionaire mother floated down to the front gate and said everyone was welcome, at which point the hoons marched in and laid siege.

The poor girl and her stupid mother were in hysterics as teenage hoons did wheelies up and down the circular driveway, threw stubbies in the pool and beheaded the faux Greek statues around the barbie area. After her parents barricaded themselves in the house and called the coppers (who turned up and towed the real troublemakers away, leaving the rowdy drunks to throw up in the prize winning rose garden). I was left with the firm belief that parties are like ASIO; best kept under the radar. :suspect::}

My point? That was well before Facebook. Zuckerman would have still been in preschool. Nothing really changes with the internet, it just becomes more public more quickly. Facebook is such a nebulous beast that it's hard to direct a campaign; sometimes people get on board, sometimes they don't. IMO the person who develops a winning formula for harnessing the apathetic Facebook majority will go much futher than Australian politics. Until then... randomness rules. Who knows what will capture the group's outrage, and how long that outrage will last?

And then he's really going to stick it to your side :}
He's not a winner. Whatever happens, IMO he's still a POS for what he said. If he'd said it about Abbott I'd still feel the same way, no matter how many Mercs he gets loaned. :yuk:

Sven Langolier 7th Oct 2012 11:35

Alan Jones New Wheels
 
It's a Merc too! :}


PS Cue those in need of a humor transplant.

parabellum 7th Oct 2012 12:31



Seventy major companies withdrawing their advertising sponsorship
As our Monty Python friends would say, " PURE BULLSHIT", the truth is that the radio station has, for the time being, suspended ALL advertising.

A good socialist would leave the Merc. outside a regional office with the keys inside, in SW Sydney, I doubt AJ will stoop that low.

Sven Langolier 7th Oct 2012 12:39


Quote:

Seventy major companies withdrawing their advertising sponsorship
As our Monty Python friends would say, " PURE BULLSHIT", the truth is that the radio station has, for the time being, suspended ALL advertising.
Yes, exactly as I posted this afternoon.

Welcome back rip van parabellum. :rolleyes:

Andu 7th Oct 2012 21:54

You have to give full credit to the Gillard/McTernan media machine. This Alan Jones imbroglio has kept virtually everything else firmly on the public's back burner.

Asylum seekers: (how many boats have arrived over the last week? How many tents have been slashed/burned on Nauru? The human rights of how many Tamil Tigers have been trampled by ASIO security checks?)
The 'young and naive' lawyer working for and against the AWU. (The what?)
Peter Slipper (OK, he's the exception)
Craig Thomson (who?)

Pick your Labor disaster; there are many more to choose from. All squarely on the far, far back burner thanks to 'no commercials' Jones.

Flying Binghi 7th Oct 2012 23:36

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via #2911;
..."We want the car back, the deal is cancelled, it is over," Mercedes-Benz's corporate communications manager, David McCarthy, said...

Heh, just like the cars. When the going gets tough - mercedes will let yer down..:hmm:

From memory me merc did five trips on a tilt tray. Lucky the warrenty were for three years - sold the bomb a month short of three years.



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500N 7th Oct 2012 23:40

Andu

So much for Jones trying to help Abbott, as you said in your post he has knocked
every anti labour piece off the radar.

As I said in an earlier post, sometimes it is best if he keeps his mouth shut.

Flying Binghi 7th Oct 2012 23:53

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via 500N;
...So much for Jones trying to help Abbott, as you said in your post he has knocked every anti labour piece off the radar...


Hmmm... not all bad though..:)

I've been doing some 'listening' at the truck stop and while there are still comments about the AJ 'gaff', the more intense comments are about the way AJ is now getting hammered by the ABC and labor hypocrites.





They shop, they vote and they listen to Alan Jones


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parabellum 8th Oct 2012 01:31

"the truth is that the radio station has, for the time being, suspended ALL advertising".




Yes, exactly as I posted this afternoon.

Err...............Not quite,



Seventy major companies withdrawing their advertising...

Quite a difference, I'm sure you will agree?:ugh:


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