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RJM 6th Oct 2012 13:13


I don't remember Margaret Thatcher accusing her political opponents of misogyny
Thatcher didn't employ an unprincipled sleazebag like McTernan, as far as I know.

Sven Langolier 6th Oct 2012 13:16


I don't remember Margaret Thatcher accusing her political opponents of misogyny. People hated her for plenty of reasons, but she never tried to play the gender war card.

In flying training we would call this sort of behaviour "rationalisation" ie trying to justify blaming everyone but yourself for the consequences of your actions. It is so tedious.

Tedious?

Tedious as in repetitive? Or?

Maybe I missed it but AFAIK Gillard has mentioned misogyny once only (and quite justifiably so) WRT the vile Pickering campaign. Perhaps you thought her objection to being publicly depicted with oversized dildos was unreasonable and tedious?

But if so, then I'm sure you can also readily remind us of the (presumably) many, many other occasions on which Gillard has played the gender card which have made this issue so tedious to you?

Three or four will do.

Worrals in the wilds 6th Oct 2012 13:23


But if so, then I'm sure you can also readily remind us of the (presumably) many, many other occasions on which Gillard has played the gender card which have made this issue so tedious to you?
Three or four will do.
Why? You're usually a bit lacking with examples. :E

Gillard herself is pretty good and IME has never much played the gender card; likewise her response to Allan Jones, who she pretty much ignored, except to say she wouldn't go on his show.

The carry-on has come from the cheerleaders like Roxon, who is quick to turn every possible issue into a Gender War or a Tony Hates Women soundbite. While she does so, everyone will assume she speaks with the PM's support; after all, she's a Minister in Gillard's government.

TWT 6th Oct 2012 13:45

Have to agree with you Worrals re retail 'service'.

It's the same with trade stuff too.I regularly buy bits of kit for work sometimes up to 2-3 $k worth and I send off requests for quotes to sales people.At least half don't even bother to reply.If you don't have an account with them then they can't be bothered.

Stuff 'em.I now buy online from the US.They don't care who you are and give brilliant service.They send by US Post and the longest I've waited is 2 weeks.Plus,if its under 1k,I don't pay GST.Even better !I don't reward bad service and I certainly don't beg sales people to take my money.

Sven Langolier 6th Oct 2012 13:47


Quote:
But if so, then I'm sure you can also readily remind us of the (presumably) many, many other occasions on which Gillard has played the gender card which have made this issue so tedious to you?
Three or four will do.
Why? You're usually a bit lacking with examples. http://www.pprune.org/index.php?q=aH...ZXZpbC5naWY%3D
Cite? :confused:

Buster Hyman 6th Oct 2012 13:48

This one's for you Matt...err, Tbar...err Sven.


Worrals in the wilds 6th Oct 2012 13:49

I'd be happy to pay the GST. Of course it costs more to collect than the government makes, but never let that stand in the way of Big Gerry (or more importantly, Mrs Gerry :\).

What annoys me about the big retailers carrying on is that they became big retailers by putting a lot of small retailers out of business, notably in books, electronics and manufacturing. All those small retailers were dismissed with a wave of the hand and savvy quotes about 'it's just business, darlling'. Well now it's just business again, but jeez do they whine. :yuk:

IMO (nasty opinion,but still) you know what's great? Pacific Brands (Bonds) are in trouble :E. The same Pacific Brands that offshored manufacturing because it was cheaper.
Change of the guard at troubled Pacific Brands
Guess the product was also cheaper (namely, crap) and people stopped buying it. Maybe, just maybe...people were jacked off about them closing the factories, particularly when the quality suffered. After all, if you have to buy cheap Chinese crud, why buy a 'brand' name? Why not just go to Kmart?

Sven Langolier 6th Oct 2012 13:51

The Liberals just do not get it do they?

Even when you smack them between the eyes with a multi-million dollar plank of 4X2.

It's a whole new world of social communication out there and the days when someone thought they could monopolise a platform like radio,TV or blogs or even forums like this to spread hatred and lies with impunity are thankfully over.

So tonight we see Mercedes Benz turning their back on the arch Liberal hatemonger


MERCEDES-BENZ will confiscate Alan Jones's $250,000 sponsored car, and has vowed to never again support the controversial broadcaster or his radio station 2GB.

The carmaker expressed its strong distaste at Jones's comment, revealed last week by The Sunday Telegraph, that Prime Minister Julia Gillard's father, John Gillard, "died of shame" because of "lies" told by his daughter.

"We want the car back, the deal is cancelled, it is over," Mercedes-Benz's corporate communications manager, David McCarthy, said.

If the car is not returned, Mercedes will send someone to repossess it.

Mercedes-Benz Australia-Pacific, owned by the Daimler Group, distanced itself from Jones and has cancelled all radio advertising .

The Sunday Telegraph revealed last weekend Jones told a Sydney University Liberal Club dinner on September 22 that the prime minister's 83-year-old father, John, "died of shame".

"We were appalled and shocked at the lack of respect (the comments) expressed," Mr McCarthy said.

Now the company has informed Jones it wants him to return the black 2012 S-Class Mercedes the broadcaster has been driving free.

Should the vehicle not be returned by October 31, a Mercedes-Benz representative would collect it, he said.

The Sunday Telegraph understands Jones had been able to use the expensive vehicle as part of a sponsorship agreement with 2GB's owner, Macquarie Radio.Mercedes-Benz bosses have ditched advertising on Jones's show and across the station.

"We have terminated ALL (sic) commercial arrangements with 2GB," the company said in a statement. "We cannot see a circumstance that will see us returning to advertising (on Jones's) show."

Mr McCarthy refused to reveal how much the deal with 2GB was worth, other than to say: "It's now worth a lot less than it was a week ago."

Macquarie is offering discount rates for new advertisers, and has emailed subscribers asking if they have changed their opinion of 2GB and its sponsors, many of whom have dumped the station and Jones.

"During the last week, has your attitude towards companies that advertise on the Alan Jones Breakfast Show changed?" the survey asked.

Macquarie has told at least one agency it would discount standard rates by at least 15 per cent. Advertisements on his show usually sell for $1170 and live reads for $3300.

More than 70 companies have backed away and shares in Macquarie Radio crashed this week amid estimates that the boycott could cost millions.

A spokesman for Macquarie Radio refused to comment.

Jones is still in demand as a speaker, with a spokeswoman for Saxton Speakers saying no bookings were cancelled. Jones charges about $12,000 per speaking engagement.

A Facebook blitz on sponsors has more than 11,000 "likes", with users bombarding advertisers with emails.

Jenna Price from the Destroy the Joint movement named after Jones's claim women such as Sydney Lord Mayor Clover Moore were "destroying the joint" - said one sponsor got 4000 emails.

Staff at 2GB told activists the boycott would hurt young employees, not Jones.

Shares in 2GB fell six per cent last week.

:D

Clare Prop 6th Oct 2012 14:00

Did I mention Gillard?

No but I've said it before and I'll say it again, her history of affairs with married men with kids means that a lot of women despise her too. Does that make them misogynists as well?

Buster Hyman 6th Oct 2012 14:02


the days when someone thought they could monopolise a platform like radio,TV or blogs or even forums like this to spread hatred and lies with impunity are thankfully over.
lol...doesn't to explain Fairfax & the ABC though does it? *fail*

allan907 6th Oct 2012 14:33

Politics used to be a fairly civilised business with propriety maintained on all sides.

Then Margaret Thatcher was elected in the UK. It seemed that overnight, instead of referring to her as 'the Prime Minister' the left wanted to spit out the name 'Thatcher' with as much venom as they could muster.

That rapidly seemed to be exported - mores to those countries such as Australia which were formerly part of the UK area of influence.

That tactic seems to have engendered the current spitefulness led, mainly, by the left.

Is it any surprise that they get some of their own medicine back at them?

Andu 6th Oct 2012 22:06

Sven, I'm surprised you haven't given us all a lovingly crafted account of the professional demise of the senior Woolworths executive who supplied the hessian jacket. He resigned towards the end of the week - (or, probably more accurately, "was resigned").

My guess would be that 95% of the REAL people (disregarding the Bobby Limbs, Mickey Mouses and Donald Ducks etc) who signed the "sack Alan Jones" petition have never tuned in to 2GB (or any AM station) in their lives. Half of them probably don't even have an AM option on their radios or are too young to know that there WAS an AM option on old radios.

But, whatever you think about that, you have to doff your hat to GetUp et al, they know how to mount a "mock outrage" campaign.

Ken Borough 7th Oct 2012 00:53

Qantas and Jones
 
So Alan Jones has been deserted by his sponsors and advertisers for his ill-chosen words. These sponsors include Mercedes Benz and Woolworths. IF Jones has access to Qantas' Chairman's Lounge, one wonders if QF is withdrawing this 'grace and favour' benefit especially as Qantas' workforce is better than 40% female. IF QF is also a sponsor/advertiser on Jones' program, have they withdrawn?

Captain Sand Dune 7th Oct 2012 01:09


So Alan Jones has been deserted by his sponsors and advertisers for his ill-chosen words.
They'll be back, or others will take their place. Despite what Allan Jones said (and I do not for one minute agree with it) he is still a very marketable media personality.

RJM 7th Oct 2012 01:40

With a huge audience.

heated ice detector 7th Oct 2012 02:02

Wasn't it Heffernen who started all this many moons ago with the intelligent Gillard is barren statement.
I love the statement that Abbott is not intimidated by intelligent women, maybe that's why he has Bishop as his deputy ( see today's news ) and that Kelly O,Dwyer who performed so smartly on Q and A last week. Beware women with wonky eyes.

Dark Knight 7th Oct 2012 02:22

Meet the Press Sunday October 7th 2012

`Home Affairs Minister JASON CLARE “people need to know what Tony Abbott would do as Prime Minister. And things like cutting the pension,and increasing income tax, are pretty extreme things that people need to be aware of.”’

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has never said that he or a government led by him would cut pensions or increase income tax.

What Jason Clare said is untrue, another figment of Labors desperate imagination but easy to understand when led by a Leader/PrimeMinister who has some great difficulty with the truth? (Without even mentioning “There will be No Carbon TAX under a government I Lead”)


Examining this Labor Government record shows a litany of TAX increases coupled with an increase in Debt with promises of huge unfunded programs with no mention of how they will be paid for.

The desperation of Labor’s attacks and diversionary tactics indicate Labor is fully aware the Australian people understand fully how incompetent, inept, deceptive, devious, untrustworthy and untruthful this Labor Government, its Leader, Ministers and Members are and that; We the People have stopped listening.

Similarly, the missives from Sussex Street here are bypassed.

For Labor to have any skerrick of hope of a return togovernment or have even the slimmest hope of retaining any seats in the next parliament requires Labor regaining basic decency, truthfulness and trustworthiness.

Dark Knight 7th Oct 2012 02:26


`Beware women with wonky eyes'
Intimidated by women?
Sexist remarks?
Misogyny?
Gender Card?

heated ice detector 7th Oct 2012 02:53

But I live in a house with three women and a female dog, how can I be sexist, Fair cop, " beware men with wonky eyes " ( especially if they are in the Sydney Uni toilets with budgie smugglers on their head)

allan907 7th Oct 2012 03:00


requires Labor regaining basic decency, truthfulness and trustworthiness.
Most in the ALP, and particularly the person who purports to be leader, would have to look those words up in a dictionary they are so far removed from having an understanding.


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