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Victor Inox 10th Aug 2012 09:36

The fact that Julia Gillard worked for Slater & Gordon should in itself immediately disqualify her from any job that puts her in the position of representing Australia.:yuk:

allan907 10th Aug 2012 09:40

So Matt can we take it that you are perfectly happy to back Gillard notwithstanding these allegations against her? And that, if true, you are happy for her to remain as prime minister or even in government?

Captain Sand Dune 10th Aug 2012 10:34

Hence the epithet "True Believer".:rolleyes:

MattGray 10th Aug 2012 12:11

Ambush on The Night of The Long Knives

As the night wore on, staffers of right-wing members in particular were increasingly getting a sense that not only was the challenge going to take place, but that Gillard easily had the numbers. A group of staffers had gathered in Bill Shorten's office for beers and pizzas.

Shorten's press secretary, Ben Ruse, opened a bottle of red. ''I've been saving this bottle for a night like this,'' he declared.

The politicians' rooms became more boisterous. A large group had gathered in the office of the Queensland MP Bernie Ripoll, who told his guests that Labor's position in the marginals in his state was far worse than had been reported. He said they were so bad Jordan had asked that the numbers be ''hushed up''.

The mood in Ripoll's office was upbeat, with most MPs convinced that Gillard could change the policies that had dragged down Rudd. Ripoll told them: ''Julia has much better numbers than Kevin.''

The MPs also felt that in a few months ''the night of the long knives'' would be forgotten. As one of them said, ''Julia will be PM and it will seem that it was always so. The dogs may bark, but the caravan moves on.''

NOBODY inside the meeting that took place between Rudd, Gillard and Faulkner that night has given a public account of what took place. Clearly, when Rudd realised the depth of his problems, he bargained for more time. What if he could lift his stocks and those of the party in time for an October election?

That plea seemed to evaporate after Gillard briefly left the room and spoke to supporters outside. They had come too far for last-minute deals. In any case, the meeting was now public knowledge and any peace treaty would have been fragile, unconvincing and unworkable. The die was cast.

Gillard informed Rudd she intended to challenge and the time for talk was over. From that moment on, the numbers were never in doubt. One minister said the counting reminded him of mediaeval Germany when spontaneous combustion caused people to catch on fire. There was, in the words of another MP, an amazingly enthusiastic reaction to the prospect that Rudd's days were over.

At one stage in Gillard's office, one MP did a head count of those who were crammed inside working their mobile phones. He counted 34, more than half the numbers they needed to win.

It was soon after midnight when the Minister for Infrastructure, Anthony Albanese, told Rudd what he already knew - that he didn't have the numbers. Gillard, though, took nothing for granted. At 1.30am, she made the last of that night's phone calls, a 20-minute conversation with a backbencher, before she finally went home.
Obviously more anti-Gillard tosh from another extreme Right Wing idealogue!!

Oh, wait, hang about......that is an extract from The Party Thieves by Barrie Cassidy, published by Melbourne University Press.

Now where have I heard that name before?

Oh yes, here it is. Just two weeks back in a classic Oz politics shoot the messenger play, rather than address the issue which was, at the time, Cassidy getting into the Liberals playing political football with Downes Syndrome kids and people in wheechairs.


Barrie Cassidy, btw, is married to Left-leaning ABC 7:30 presenter Heather Ewart. Don't expect impartiality from Barrie.


What can you say about his judgement and impartiality?

As Cassidy said at the time

"the failure of the richest states to cough up a relative pittance towards the NDIS trials appears to be the dumbest - and meanest - act by leading politicians in a very long time.

What on earth drove the premiers to think they could go down this path and emerge unscathed politically? "
And Cassidy has been proved right. The passage of time has only reinforced the revulsion that decent Australians feel towards the Liberals mean-spirited pettiness :yuk: and this is reflected in the latest polling.

And my oh my, how revealing it is that such a relatively minor bounce in Labor Federal polls, followed by a sharp dip up in Qld has spooked so much sudden nervous scurrying back and forth from the LiberRatty this week.

Buster Hyman 10th Aug 2012 13:45


allan907 10th Aug 2012 15:03

Well. Surprise, surprise!

Ask a serious question in context with what is being discussed and in reply a lengthy diatribe which has nothing to do with the issue at hand and a complete failure to address the question let alone answer it.

Reminds me of some on here from long, long ago who took exactly the same tack.

How ya doin' Red?

Nice one Buster sums it up exactly.

CoodaShooda 10th Aug 2012 15:20


If you are going to quote me, at least do me the courtesy of providing the full context. :p The point I was making was football rather than political affiliations - as you well know.

Although, come to think of it, I haven't seen much recent footage of the PM and her favourite footy team.

Is Footscray doing to her what the state labor leaders are doing and asking her to stay away?

Or are they scared that, having challenged Rudd after denying claims that she would, she now expects them to pick her at full forward too?

Captain Sand Dune 10th Aug 2012 23:08

Points for effort though.
Free speech really antagonises the Left, doesn't it? However don't let them pull the same trick again.

Dark Knight 11th Aug 2012 00:55

Time will tell & maybe, just maybe, all will be revealed?

‘Slater & Gordon has suffered reputational fall-out, even though those involved in the work for Wilson left soon after the scandal was first made public, in the 1990s. Now it’s had enough:

THE most powerful union in Australia, the Australian Workers Union, is being asked by its former law firm Slater & Gordon for permission to lift a legal lid on highly sensitive files on a union funds scandal that subsequently embroiled Julia Gillard...

The Weekend Australian can reveal that Slater & Gordon is also contacting Ms Gillard’s former boyfriend and client Bruce Wilson - the allegedly corrupt leader of the scam, who was the AWU’s Victoria branch head - to ask him to waive his right to legal privilege…

In a statement last night, the managing director of Slater & Gordon, Andrew Grech, said: “..."We ... have taken these steps in the hope that we can respond to false and ill-conceived allegations that have been made against Slater & Gordon."’

(So there is no fire here; just Smoke & Mirrors?)

Labor under Gillard:

- the continuing boat people fiasco
- the live trade fiasco
- the East Timor Detention Centre fiasco
- the green car investment fiasco
- the NBN blowouts
- the carbon tax lie
- the carbon tax uselessness
- the attacks on free speech
- the attacks on a free press
- the attacks on journalists reporting on the AWU scandal involving the Prime Minister’s then boyfriend and client
- the decimation of defence spending
- the failure to yet deliver a balanced budget
- the class war talk

And more; much more.

allan907 11th Aug 2012 02:03

Meanwhile this is an example of the sort of company she keeps. Whilst not, in any way, tarring her with exactly the same brush it just goes to show that once a bogan always a bogan

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

Police said the French-born Mr Muto was charged with blackmail, communicating a private conversation, possessing a hand gun, possessing a drug of dependence and knowingly publishing a record of a private conversation. Police reportedly seized a small amount of cannabis and electronic equipment during the raid.

Mr Muto was photographed with the Prime Minister and Mr Mathieson in March 2010, when she was deputy prime minister.

Ms Gillard's office did not respond to a series of questions about the nature of Mr Mathieson's relationship with Mr Muto.

The pair was seen at a function in Shepparton in February and he and Ms Gillard attended Mr Muto's bar after Mr Mathieson's father's 80th birthday in 2010.

500N 11th Aug 2012 02:30


I think it says more about Tim than Julia.

In any case, Shepparton is a small town
and not many options to celebrate an 80th
so of course he would use a mates bar.

Andu 11th Aug 2012 06:58

Well, it took them 48 hours to announce the arrival of 211 country shoppers on Wednesday, and today, they've announced the arrival of another 32 on another boat. How long did we have to wait for that announcement?

SOPS 11th Aug 2012 07:12

My bet was for 74 boats in total in August, how am I going so far??:ugh::ugh: F$$K, I might just win.:{

Buster Hyman 11th Aug 2012 08:15

I feel sorry for the poor starving Indonesians. There must be a real shortage of fish right now...

EffohX 11th Aug 2012 08:40

Fears for loved ones lost in ocean crossing - The West Australian

More than 60 asylum seekers are missing, presumed dead - including a four-year-old boy - after a boat that left Indonesia for Australia six weeks ago disappeared without trace.
Family and friends of the missing have grave fears that the boat sank on the way to Christmas Island.
Among the missing is Mohammed Rashad Sharif Al-Yassin, his wife Noura Mahmoud Rakeza and their son Yousif Mohammad Rashad Al-Yassin, who was to have turned four during the ill-fated journey.
The boat left Indonesia on June 28.
Ammar Ahmad, 30, said his brother Abdul-Rahman Ahmad, 32, was among 28 Palestinians on the boat who were fleeing Iraq.
It is believed there were also Iraqis, Syrians and Iranians on board.
Mr Ahmad, who lives in Queensland, said his family feared they may never see his brother again. They had not heard from him since June 29.
"My father spoke to him when he was on the boat, it had just entered Australian waters but there has been no other contact," he said.
Mr Ahmad said his brother's wife was in hospital in Iraq after suffering a mental breakdown because she could not come to terms with the possibility that their two sons, Ahmad, five, and Fade, four, had been left without a father.
"They call me and I don't know what to do . . . there hasn't been any news about him," he said.
Mr Ahmad said his brother was among many Palestinians who fled to Cyprus from Iraq because they feared being murdered by Shi'ite militias who accused them of supporting Saddam Hussein's regime and al-Qaida.
He said his brother decided to make the treacherous journey to Australia when his welfare payments were cancelled by the Cypriot Government and he was forbidden from working to provide for his family in Iraq.
Also among the missing are Abdul-Nasser and his wife Tajali Zuhair Adel Al-Nabulsi.
Refugee Action Coalition spokesman Ian Rintoul said it was the third boat, that he knew of, to go missing. All had been trying to get from Indonesia to Australia.
A spokesman for Customs and Border Protection said they were aware of "claims" the vessel had gone missing and they were investigating.
Suheir Zeidan Gedeon, a counsellor with the General Delegation of Palestine to Australia - widely known as Australia's Palestinian embassy - said she had been in contact with the Department of Immigration which was also investigating the disappearance.
She said they had been provided with a list of the missing people more than two weeks ago, which she hoped they were using to cross-reference with the asylum seekers in Australian detention centres.
A spokesman for the department said new boat arrivals were allowed to call their loved ones when they arrived.

SOPS 11th Aug 2012 09:17

I assume all these um.."people" dont get from Iraq, Iran or where ever to Jakarta by foot or goat, I am assuming the fly.

So if it so bloody dangerous ( which it obviously is) to get in a overcrowded leaky boat to go from Indonesia to Australia, why dont they all just fly to Sydney and take thier chances from there.

Ok, I allready know the answer...just thinking aloud......:ugh:

EffohX 11th Aug 2012 09:27

Part 3 of Pickering's expose out here. Larry Pickering

Pretty explosive stuff, particularly the last paragraph.

Mach Turtle 11th Aug 2012 09:34

Pickering's writing style is appalling.

And he still hasn't proven anything.

MattGray 11th Aug 2012 15:52

Six plus hours on - Tumbleweeds!


Since Tony's Great Big Toxic Tax scare has fallen flat on its face, the True Blue Believers have SFA to fall back on, save lowering themselves into the gutter and clinging like drowning men to the straw of Pickering smears which are fast going nowhere!

EffohX 11th Aug 2012 22:22

I ask this question in all seriousness, Matt: do you and I exist in a two parallel (and very wide apart) universes?

Do you honestly believe the things you write here?

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