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boogie-nicey 25th Oct 2006 13:41

Global Warming .... I've had enough (merged)
It's really quite simple ... for once.

The whole debate (though I use that term loosely) seems to be biased or more accurately anchored to one side. Surely someone, somewhere has to cool down the hysteria that is pumped out to the masses via the equally sensationalist media. I feel a great unease at having this strategic issue completely hijacked and exagerated to dangerous new levels to an ever more ignorant public. My most worrying concern is that lack of a viable "counter weight" that would help renogiate the pivot of the argument and thus dispense with some of the 'excesses' of the argument itself.

I realise that the lefties can get the media friends to help a scientist convery his personal message of impending doom and gloom. But what about the numerous people I've met most of whom are of a high intellectual and profesisonal calibre who dispute the ludicrous claims being spoon fed to the masses. Why can't they find a channel via which to communicate their opposing opinions or at least a more realistic appraisal of what's really going. In other words a good old fashioned ..... reasoned and informed debate by all?
Stupidity seems to a service industry in itself these days.

Such issues as the one mentioned above will have massive repucussions on our economy as it opens the flood doors to you know what, taxes. It only serves the socialist's dellusional agenda. I despair ....

green granite 25th Oct 2006 13:56


Best comment on the situation I've heard for a long time, And unfortuantly true. There's none as deaf as those who don't want to hear.:hmm:

brain fade 25th Oct 2006 13:57

I agree with you but you're banging your head off the wall.

The great unwashed NEED something to worry about and it's our governments job to provide it.

Used to be the next ice age (only 30 years or so ago), now it's gw.

It's keeping a lot of scientists in work and will soon provide a smashing and incontravertible pretext to raise tax.

Glad it's getting a wee bit warmer tho (0.6 Celsius in last 100 years).
Bring it on!:ok:

Jerricho 25th Oct 2006 15:11


I've just read a NOAA paper regarding recent cooling of the upper ocean......which was jumped all over by the sky is falling brigade.

IMHO, NOBODY really knows wtf Mother Nature is up to. We an hypothesize and theorize and modelize up the yin-yang..........nobody really knows.

green granite 25th Oct 2006 15:36

There's also a saying "that empty vessels make the most noise" :E

High Wing Drifter 25th Oct 2006 15:43

Boogie for PM and Jericho for Minister of Strange Portfolios! Stand as an independant if you get no joy with the top job. Wouldn't it be great for a polititian to stand and say "We don't know and we wont know for a thousand years so stop your carping and keep saving for a pension - goddamit!"

However, it is worth considering that the most resiliant, dynamic and forward thinking societies result from the natural process of hallenging ideas competing for dominance. Plane Stupid also have a role to play as much as it pains me to say it.

mcgoo 25th Oct 2006 15:48

Plane Stupid, is that one of those protest groups like the one that appeared on Airline/Airport on sky protesting about pollution from aircraft but turned up in an 80 car cavalcade and sat there protesting with their engines running for two hours.:confused:

brassmonkey 25th Oct 2006 15:52

I think we are underselling the benefits of gw. The weather has been rather nice recently and if it stays this way and keeps the snow away I won't need a new 4x4. But i suppose that will please some folks...

In the wake of fuel price increases it could save us a fortune in heating bills.:ok:

Spinflight 25th Oct 2006 16:10

Stupidity is a service industry...

I like that. Sums up the situation perfectly too. I'm glad I thought of it...

Cheerio 25th Oct 2006 17:05

Originally Posted by Jerricho (Post 2927916)

IMHO, NOBODY really knows wtf Mother Nature is up to. We an hypothesize and theorize and modelize up the yin-yang..........nobody really knows.

Nobody knows what, but its going somewhere fast, probably beyond the range of compensating mechanisms. If a feedback process kicks in, (and there is every chance that is what is brewing) our infestation of poor old mother Earth will take a knock for sure. And in our kids lifetimes I'll bet. With half the global population, we might stand a chance of coping with whatever Earth throws at us, but not as things stand.

Jerricho 25th Oct 2006 17:09

Ahhh, but Mr Cheerio, good old Mother N done it before, and before that. Kicked the dinosaurs asses for sure.

Global warming is so 18,000 years ago.

G-ZUZZ 25th Oct 2006 17:15

Originally Posted by Cheerio (Post 2928102)
With half the global population, we might stand a chance of coping with whatever Earth throws at us

if half have to go then it makes sense to start with the chinese and the indians. since they make up at least a third it's a large percentage and no one will miss them if they ALL go because it's only 2 nationalities..... :uhoh:

plus they pollute a lot.

ORAC 25th Oct 2006 17:19

Global warming past the 'tipping point'

Well, there you are, it's already too late. So relax and just enjoy yourselves; no point in worrying or cutting back now, it'll just be delaying the inevitable... :uhoh:

G-ZUZZ 25th Oct 2006 17:21

well if the world is going to end, let's at least nuke the middle east along the way. they got it coming.....

ShyTorque 25th Oct 2006 17:31

Once Yellowstone Park has blown its top and put up a big black ash cloud for a while, we'll soon all be cold again, or at least, any survivors will.

green granite 25th Oct 2006 18:09

you may as well have this graph again it shows steadily decreasing temps for the last 3000 years with upsurges every 1000 or so I'm sure on of the huggy fluffs will say it's rubbish:E


Jerricho 25th Oct 2006 18:29


Here are a few tips to increasing pirate populations in your area:

* Speak with/write to the government to increase the awareness of global warming (a.k.a. pirate population reduction…or PPR).
* Use fuel efficient vehicles.
* Drive smart, drive less.
* Buy energy efficient appliances.
* Replace your light bulbs with compact fluorescent bulbs.
* Weatherize your home or apartment.
* Choose renewable energy.
* Find gold and bury it all over the world.

(Shamelessly pinched from BorkWeb :ok: )

Loki 25th Oct 2006 19:02

Jerricho really.....

That item on your list; weatherize your home or apartment ???!!!


You are sounding a bit American (sorry to be offensive, but really)

Jerricho 25th Oct 2006 19:28

Weatherize, hypothesize, theorize, modelize........it's all just bullshit really.

(Hence the reference to BorkWeb)

boogie-nicey 25th Oct 2006 19:29

We can all be environmentally friendly one way or another the real issue here is the creeping taxes that strangle so many people's livelihoods so that they won't need a car to get to work becuase they haven't got a job anymore.

Society is in no position to 'engineer' nature, have some respect for the scale of task that it merits. Therefore this silly distraction of taxes being used to combat GW is somewhat embarassing to my ears. Quite simply it's beyond our abilites and indeed consciousness. When we fly the mere insignificance of man's presence on the surface is evident for all to see. The only reason we look down isn't because we notice civilisation but that we know there should be a miniscule "city down there somewhere". I'm sure that nature can more than cope with the man's relatively small infractions into the natural system.....

Consider this the time, size and sheer power of a thunderstorm. Nature will erect such an insignificant side show in the space of an afternoon, power it with enough energy to run a couple of cities for a while and then clear up it's mess by early eveing. Could man ever do that within the same variable confines? We can barely build a straight bridge over many years, there's no contest. Thus the comparitive input of man's activities is no doubt easily compensated by the scale and power of nature. After all it is an evolved and near perfect system that has seen various natural states in it's time and like the human spieces can adapt and regulate throughout. The sun probably has a far greater and meaningful hand to play than anything simple 'ameboa like man' could ever do. The exposed surface of the earth is still vast in comparison with the aveoli thickness of a road running through the landscape.

ALL these people holding their heads in hysteria and fighting this fictional 'Hilter against nature' style war in the minds need to ask themselves how they can qualify their opinon and perspective on the whole situation. Are they meteorologists? Had even a brief look at any data themselves? Libraries are still free these days? So how can they possibly assert their opinions which are rapidly maturing into an unquestioned belief. Stupidity has no place on a global/economic/strategic platform this is not a venture for the free loading politicians it's far too criticial for that. Yes I mentioned critical, not GW itself but the perils of misinformation exchange in place of informed argument. The ever growing giddy matrons of the world should have stopped at Princess Dianna's loss but they seemed to feel compelled to venture into the global issue and any other vacant social issue they can hijack to justify their presence at all levels of society. Other than tax (another well rehearsed line) what are they going to do about. Carbon Dioxide = GW that effects the entire world.... and that's the limit of the argument .... it takes me longer to argue my case with my wife regarding any issue, it would take months for me to compile a business plan to my bank's liking with all many of endless variables. Yet this global issue is summed convientently in the space of a news/soundbite.

My Grandfather told me the easy way to stop the village fool is to simply stick your leg out at the right moment. Let the trendy eco-army of fools have their moment and at the right time, just trip them up .... they have many weaknesses.

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