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Old 20th Jul 2022, 21:48
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Should everyone be allowed to vote?

Is there merit in having a system that would minimise politicians buying votes.

What about if you do not pay taxes you do not vote. A number of caveats would exist such as if you had paid tax for 10 years you could vote for the next 10 years.
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 21:55
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Some votes should be open to underage people - ones that will affect them more than the old wrinklies who actually do get a say

brexit being a perfect example
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 23:11
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How about an intelligence test, before being allowed to vote !
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 23:12
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Originally Posted by Sue VÍtements View Post
Some votes should be open to underage people - ones that will affect them more than the old wrinklies who actually do get a say

brexit being a perfect example
Interesting concept. So the majority of underage people have the maturity but not the experience to make fair and equable decisions with their votes.
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 23:38
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How about an intelligence test, before being allowed to vote !
Churchill: ďThe best argument against democracy is a five-minute chat with the average voterĒ
Öand by god he was right.

But Iím a believer in the collective wisdom of the electorate.
Time has shown that despite many temporary aberrations, it is far better to live and work in a democracy than under an authoritarian regime.

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Old 21st Jul 2022, 00:10
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Originally Posted by Sue VÍtements View Post
Some votes should be open to underage people - ones that will affect them more than the old wrinklies who actually do get a say

brexit being a perfect example
There is a case to be made to deny voting rights once you take the pension or retire from the workforce. Of course your pension and other benefits would be locked in and unable to be changed when you do reach that point, but I really donít see how it can be fair that an 85 year old living out their final days in relative peace can make decisions that may adversely affect an 18 year old for their next 70 years.

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How about an intelligence test, before being allowed to vote !
​​​​​​​Or perhaps restrict voting to those with a minimum of a 3 year Bachelorís degree?
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Old 21st Jul 2022, 01:07
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Interesting concept. So the majority of underage people have the maturity but not the experience to make fair and equable decisions with their votes.
Lots of adults don't bother as they were uneducated as children. I would wager a lot of 15/16 year olds have a better understanding of cause and effect that 50/60 year olds. I saw the latter efforts when I was 15/16. My opinion of course.
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Old 21st Jul 2022, 01:09
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There is a case to be made to deny voting rights once you take the pension or retire from the workforce. Of course your pension and other benefits would be locked in and unable to be changed when you do reach that point, but I really donít see how it can be fair that an 85 year old living out their final days in relative peace can make decisions that may adversely affect an 18 year old for their next 70 years.



Or perhaps restrict voting to those with a minimum of a 3 year Bachelorís degree?
Iíll tell you something Doc. You donít need a bachelorís degree to have intelligence - (any mug can get a degree these days), nor do you lose wisdom or compassion as you get older.
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Old 21st Jul 2022, 01:25
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Or perhaps restrict voting to those with a minimum of a 3 year Bachelorís degree?
I think the idea was that you had to PASS the intelligence test ​​​​​​​
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
There is a case to be made to deny voting rights once you take the pension or retire from the workforce. Of course your pension and other benefits would be locked in and unable to be changed when you do reach that point, but I really don’t see how it can be fair that an 85 year old living out their final days in relative peace can make decisions that may adversely affect an 18 year old for their next 70 years.



Or perhaps restrict voting to those with a minimum of a 3 year Bachelor’s degree?

Good questions. Given that once one reaches retirement age, through if nothing else but exposure, they have some knowledge and experience and as such their vote is more educated than an 18 yo or a 23/24y.o with a degree. On the flip side why should an 18 y.o, educated or uneducated, be making decisions for someone who has spent their 50 plus years of their working life paying taxes only to have their remaining years upended. A degree in underwater basket weaver does not indicate someone with intelligence nor knowledge in the area of government. Why would a 85 y.o be making decisions that may adversely affect an 18 y.o for the next 70 years. Unless a majority of voters are 85 y.o and unless a new government in 5 or 10 years time is unable to make changes than I find it difficult to see the problem.
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Old 21st Jul 2022, 01:28
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Originally Posted by Sue VÍtements View Post
I think the idea was that you had to PASS the intelligence test
Yes. A bit of a question is how does one pass an intelligence test when they cannot read or write and if the answer is they should not be allowed to vote than that is another area of debate.
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Wouldn't it be easiest to restrict voting to the landed gentry?
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Maybe give people different numbers of votes. So say those living in Chicago get ... (just kidding - Chicago: Vote early, Vote often!)

Maybe youngsters get one vote, middle aged people get two, old wrinklies also get just the one
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The other issue which is varied in the countries represented here, is the concept of mandatory voting.

Australia is one such that mandates voting, whereas others (USA etc) the right to vote is not followed with a requirement to do so.

Vote early and vote often was attributed to Labour stalwarts back in my formative years in London, and raised itself again in Oz when I migrated. Lack of verification (and proof) of identity has led to many a distorted result yet is stifled at birth whenever raised with our elected representatives: I wonder why?

dr dre the concept of denying an older citizen their right to vote would not sit well with those who have many years of active life ahead of them when past your proffered criteria. Would you extend that to local council elections, State elections and all others? The immediacy of actions which would affect the living of every voter, let alone older ones, would be far more likely at Council level.
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Old 21st Jul 2022, 03:10
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Originally Posted by Sue VÍtements View Post
Maybe give people different numbers of votes. So say those living in Chicago get ... (just kidding - Chicago: Vote early, Vote often!)

Maybe youngsters get one vote, middle aged people get two, old wrinklies also get just the one
In his book "In the Wet" Neville Shute describes a 7 vote system : basic, education, travel, service to nation (and a couple of others I've forgotten) with the 7th vote being bestowed by the monarch for exceptional service. Interesting concept when you think about it.
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Old 21st Jul 2022, 03:27
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Voting credits based on taxes paid over the last 3 years. For women, a lot of basic credits for underage children, better yet for children below the voting age.

The East Europeans have a particular nasty experience of the upcoming generations having too much of a say. One of the reasons for push to lower the voting age is that the younger minds are more easily manipulated I. E. can be scooped for anyting wrapped nicely enough.

Unfortunately the technical issue of voting anonymity is not resolved for the above idea.


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Old 21st Jul 2022, 03:27
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Everyone who is an adult and allowed to vote in your nation should be allowed to vote, after passing something like a quick 10 question multiple choice test on the issues of the election/platforms of the parties. Something that shows at least a basic understanding of what they are voting for or against.
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Old 21st Jul 2022, 03:31
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Many states have the anti-vote system. Get a felony and you can't vote. I think it's sometimes deserved. Missouri is working at making being homeless a felony for sleeping on public property, such as under bridges or in public parks. I wonder why a felony, except to strip them of the right to vote. Given that many homeless got that way from medical bankruptcy and it's looking like the intention is a return to the time that only landed gentlemen were allowed to vote, but the monies at stake were proportional to those who could not vote. Oh, right, MAGA is a return to when Missouri was a slave state. You could tell that when the state prevented the City of Saint Louis from setting a minimum wage for workers inside the city limits. Can't have that. Gotta keep wages low.

Here's a fun thought - since companies are persons, then any company "born" in the USA is therefore a citizen and deserves the right to vote. Don't they represent the interests of all the employees who are part of the company? It makes sense, just like for the 3/5ths reasoning, that the company should own that many votes.
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Old 21st Jul 2022, 03:45
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"Only educated people", "only taxpayers", "only people below age X", "only people who thought Brexit was wrong (...!)" smacks of "only people who agree with me should be allowed to vote". Putin would be proud.

Here in Oz we have compulsory voting - vote or get fined. Suggestion is that it leads to less extreme campaigns and outcomes as it's not only the rabid droolers on either side that actually turn up. Judging by the "meh..." level of our pollies it kinda works.

If you want a more representative democracy, you're better off looking at the positions that DON'T get voted for - from local council "general managers" (some of whom earn similar to the PM here) to central bank governors (who are far more responsible for out-of-control house prices and other aspects of inequality than any politician) - and ask why NOBODY gets to vote for them.
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