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The odious Mr Ecclestone for Putin

Old 2nd Jul 2022, 07:01
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
Thanks, I thought it was the evil dwarf that praised Hitler. Good to know my memory isn't that far gone yet (and yes I do recall Mosley joining on in the disgusting praise)
The memory is the second thing to go - I forget what was first....
Not directed at you td, but it just reminded me of something that my father used to say:

A man's not old when his hair turns grey
A man's not old when his teeth decay
But it's time that he goes to his last long sleep
When his mind makes appointments that his body can't keep
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Old 2nd Jul 2022, 07:35
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Originally Posted by pilotmike View Post
That odious little person, Bernie Ecclestone, is proving many right in their dislike of him when he was 'big' in F1.
I don't think Ecclestone really thought this through, or knows what he is talking about - just big words from another small person with issues.
Good old Bernie has always expressed his admiration for men that "can get things done" ... Vlad, but also the (controversial) leadership of Abu Dhabi and Bahrain in the context of building new F1 tracks with the minimum of "fuss". He obviously feels a special kinship with these men, and intentionally ignores that his "getting things done" usually means outside a democratic process and greatly benefiting a few - usually him and his cronies. His remarkable control of F1 over a couple of decades is punctuated by events that show that he was never one to let bureaucracy and process get in the way of business; so one can understand (if not condone) his perspective.

With that said, he did clearly say in the interview that Vlad made a mistake - presumably referring to his Ukranian adventure - but spectacularly missed the opportunity to condemn his pals actions.

So really its just Bernie being Bernie, although grossly misjudged given the context of many thousands of deaths this time, not the diversion of a few $m or expediting a business transaction. As others have mentioned - these types live in a parallel reality so very detached from that of the rest of us, that it clearly distorts their world views vis-à-vis our own.
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Old 2nd Jul 2022, 08:58
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
"because he's a first class person" = he gave me loads of money to have a Grand Prix in Russia. That's all that matters in Bernie World.

That and getting in the papers
Exactly. Greedy sod. That's all and the likes of him,think about. Money. Him and others would sell you and their country out for money. This is how wealth destroys people and their thinking. However the greed, hunger or what ever you call it must have been there at the outset. In the Gene's probably.

I've worked directly with people far, far ahead or him in terms of wealth. They taught me a lot, about how low mankind will stoop. Animals don't behave like that.
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Old 2nd Jul 2022, 09:23
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However the greed, hunger or what ever you call it must have been there at the outset. In the Gene's probably.

I've worked directly with people far, far ahead or him in terms of wealth. They taught me a lot, about how low mankind will stoop. Animals don't behave like that.
Perhaps it's when one has reached such an amount of wealth/power, that one becomes supranational in nature and doesn't identify with nationality or country anymore ? They no longer identify with the tribal matrix particular to their home land, for the most part no loyalty or consideration given outside of romantic notions or out and out avarice toward a self-beneficial end. I can picture a few 'flying the flag' who have their wealth structured so as to be kept well away from contributing to their country of choice.

As to the genetic factor being why such individuals are as they are, I think that could well be true and when coupled with perhaps a tough start in life, an inner fire keeps burning fiercely to push and push and push and to do things that most are not prepared to do for both moral or fairness reasons. Perhaps such individuals are mentally-ill, but in a way that makes them rich beyond compare and with wealth much is forgiven or at least tolerated.

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Old 2nd Jul 2022, 09:43
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Old 2nd Jul 2022, 10:29
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Old 2nd Jul 2022, 11:03
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This is how wealth destroys people and their thinking. However the greed, hunger or what ever you call it must have been there at the outset. Animals don't behave like that.
Counterpoint: Gates, Buffet, Soros, Feeney et al. Plenty of wealthy doing good things across the planet. IMO its wrong headed to generalize "Wealth = Bad".
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Old 2nd Jul 2022, 11:14
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Originally Posted by sheikhthecamel View Post
Good old Bernie has always expressed his admiration for men that "can get things done" ... Vlad, but also the (controversial) leadership of Abu Dhabi and Bahrain in the context of building new F1 tracks with the minimum of "fuss". He obviously feels a special kinship with these men, and intentionally ignores that his "getting things done" usually means outside a democratic process and greatly benefiting a few - usually him and his cronies. His remarkable control of F1 over a couple of decades is punctuated by events that show that he was never one to let bureaucracy and process get in the way of business; so one can understand (if not condone) his perspective.

With that said, he did clearly say in the interview that Vlad made a mistake - presumably referring to his Ukranian adventure - but spectacularly missed the opportunity to condemn his pals actions.

So really its just Bernie being Bernie, although grossly misjudged given the context of many thousands of deaths this time, not the diversion of a few $m or expediting a business transaction. As others have mentioned - these types live in a parallel reality so very detached from that of the rest of us, that it clearly distorts their world views vis-à-vis our own.
This made oi larf!
The current COO of the Orange lo-co outfit boasts on his LinkedIn profile of ‘simply getting things done, with the minimum of fuss’, and he is the singularly most useless individual I have come across in 30 years in this industry, and the list of contenders is a LONG one!
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Old 2nd Jul 2022, 14:24
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix View Post
What Russian money does to one’s system…
What being 92 does to one's little grey cells...
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Old 2nd Jul 2022, 17:04
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
Like it, or loathe it, he's entitled to his opinion and I'm sure on a personal level he had a very positive experience with VP, as well as financially rewarding from their shared passion for Sochi having an F1 GP there.

I'm not sure why he was interviewed at all (does anyone have the down-low ?) let alone about his thoughts on VP, but there you go. I haven't watched the interview, but the presenters must have been apoplectic with outrage with BE triggering them with each sentence!
I agree completely. It's fantastic to see people, living in countries which have in their culture, John Locke, Illuminism, Voltaire, behave as football hooligans... maybe, "under the skin", they think like "those guys" (Putin and company) do?
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Old 2nd Jul 2022, 21:13
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I agree completely. It's fantastic to see people, living in countries which have in their culture, John Locke, Illuminism, Voltaire, behave as football hooligans... maybe, "under the skin", they think like "those guys" (Putin and company) do?
And perhaps it is possible to use devices like false equivalence to make simple subjects apparently lofty and complex. Could it be that the man is a vain and greedy little toerag without a moral compass?

Disdain for his point-of-view is an important part of defining the difference between the absurdly spoilt and unaccountable, and normal people.
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Old 3rd Jul 2022, 05:43
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And perhaps it is possible to use devices like false equivalence to make simple subjects apparently lofty and complex. Could it be that the man is a vain and greedy little toerag without a moral compass?

Disdain for his point-of-view is an important part of defining the difference between the absurdly spoilt and unaccountable, and normal people.
Unaccountable? I believe we will all be called to account, when we meet our maker.
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Old 3rd Jul 2022, 10:09
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Unaccountable? I believe we will all be called to account, when we meet our maker.
I believe we all go into the dark alone and unjudged.

Punishment is for now not later.

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Old 3rd Jul 2022, 14:33
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With you on that one.

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Old 5th Jul 2022, 14:42
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Poor old Bernie. I seem to recall him coming off second best in a fight with a revolving door a few years back. He didn't know which side to leave on.
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Old 5th Jul 2022, 20:40
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Wasn't there some alleged scandal many years ago about BE and a party and a Nazi uniform costume and the News of the World or am I thinking of someone else?
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Old 5th Jul 2022, 20:58
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Max Mosley I believe and a Dutch dominatrix. Harmless fun.
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Old 11th Jul 2022, 15:30
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" Dear Vlad,

I'm sure you noticed when I said nice things about you recently. Since then, there seems to have been a bit of a misunderstanding, theirs I must add, not mine, about taxes and financial matters.

You know how intrusive some of these petty minded little Gov't people can be, trying to make names for themselves at the expense of those of us who have diligently and honestly accrued a small pot to see us through our twilight years.

Consequently, I've got a small favour to ask please. Your glorious country does have lots of spare space, so, I was wondering if you could say, help me relocate for a while albeit this may be quite a long while, although at 91, it could also be a very short term arrangement.

Looking forward to your positive reply and meeting you soon.

Bernie "
Bernie Ecclestone to be charged over alleged fraud - BBC Sport
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Old 11th Jul 2022, 15:45
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“Dear Bern,
Perfect timing.
This week we are giving away masses of Russian passports absolutely free.
We’ll fix you up in a swish area with a security detail, behind corrugated iron fencing.
Your pal,
‘V the lad’ Vlad
PS Can you bring plenty of ready cash in your suitcases. No rubles though, haha…”
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Old 11th Jul 2022, 16:55
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Ecclestone is being charged by the Crown Prosecution Service with fraudulent misrepresentation following an HMRC investigatiom into £400 million offshore assets according to Sky News today.
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