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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 19:48
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If you have have 4 kids and make £30000 and feel you are struggling, tell her to get off her arse and get a job!
I know this waaaay too touch-feely for JB, but have you considered the possibility that ... she already has a job?
If she has 4 kids and assuming they're under 16, what kind of job would she be able to do ? Kids, as many will know take away most opportunities for meaningful employment. Anything at home will be either constantly disrupted, or if not then the kids are most likely not being parented, rather electronic-ed. If she goes out to work then childcare is required and that will eat into her salary/wages to a point where it's almost not worth doing. To be fair, having more than 2 kids if you're not a high earner is madness in these times, 25 years ago and further back it might have been very doable. I know some people in both of these categories and the difference in quality of life based purely on the kids is staggering. I'm amazed that a railwayman (or woman) would be in such a self-made situation.

Regarding the railway system, I feel it is one of those key industries that should be nationalised and all profits re-invested into it's running. Not like British Rail was back in the day where the staff really couldn't give a F, but a modern 21st century version and accountability. It's just too important for the smooth running of the country to be drained of it's finances to reward those at the top whilst the cogs and wheels are treated less well. Private enterprises can be great, but for the public, the customers there are too many issues with a UK privatised railway system and companies. I'm conflicted, workers should have the right to lobby for better wages and conditions, but the very nature of a strike in this sector is nationwide turmoil and especially in these times pushing ordinary people further into the fiscal quicksand. By striking in the manner they have, the disruption will have been for a week, which is unacceptable.
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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 19:49
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Personally I'd say a train driver's job is a lot more difficult than we give it credit for. I mean just take a look at those rails ... they're so THIN !!!!

It must take a LOT of concentration to stay properly on top of them
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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 19:55
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and let's be honest "Privatisation" really means tories selling off huge swathes of the country's assets at knock down prices to their mates and donors

Then their mates and donors bleed the industry white until it's on its knees, but remember it's "essential", so it finally gets a bailout and gets nationalised again with of course the taxpayer picking up the tab


HINT: If something is "essential" then it shouldn't be privatised
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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 19:59
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Many years ago I took my first trip on the DLR in London with a colleague who was local. Knowing it was my first trip on DLR he commented that the driver at the front was very young to see my reaction.

Looking up, the boy sat at the very front appeared about 8 years old staring straight ahead out the front window. Due my ignorance, I was not aware at the time that the DLR was driverless.

Just looking today, it opened in 1987.
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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 20:49
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ATNots,

ďThe constant expansion is a flaw in the capitalist model, already the planet is being exploited beyond its means and something has to give. The one reason for constant economic growth is to ensure we all "feel better off" but where does it end?Ē

I agree with you and in an ideal world weíd all consume less and have more space through lower populations however, the workforce is shrinking while the population is aging.
Itís all very well saying stop but with fewer contributing and producing who will pay the pensions and healthcare of the elderly?

The demographics suggest the old can and will continue to vote for policies that burden the young, thatís creating a tension in society that could become a big problem over the next two decades.
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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 21:09
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Originally Posted by radar101 View Post
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You don't use trains? Information about delays, incidents etc. is posted on social media in "real time". An excellent service which works well. It must need a lot of staff to do that.
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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 21:23
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Originally Posted by Sue VÍtements View Post
Personally I'd say a train driver's job is a lot more difficult than we give it credit for. I mean just take a look at those rails ... they're so THIN !!!!

It must take a LOT of concentration to stay properly on top of them
I remember at the age of perhaps five or six, going on a train with my father who said how clever the driver had to be to remember all the right turns at the points.
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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 21:31
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Last remark regarding kids: I once read a study ... women who do want a family and have no financial worries whatsoever get on average 4 children. Many families with 2 children say they would have more children if they had the means, space, etc.
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Old 23rd Jun 2022, 07:25
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post

£30k will probably result in a net figure of £24k, a convenient £2k per month. If you've got four kids then the minimum number of bedrooms required in your home is three, away from the lunacy that is London to rent privately such a home is going to cost somewhere in the region of £900 per month, heat and light around £250 per month, food probably £200 per month and council tax around £150 per month. That lot comes to £1500 per month and that is before water, communications, insurances, transport costs, and clothing, including school uniforms. £30k gross barely gets a family to break even.

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£200/month on food is £1/day each for 6 people (I suspect you don't do the food shopping in your house )

I'm not saying it can't be done, but there's not many that do.

About 4 years ago I worked out our family of 4 was typically spending £18k/year, including pretty much everything (though we don't pay mortgage or rent).
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Old 23rd Jun 2022, 08:46
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Originally Posted by netstruggler View Post
£200/month on food is £1/day each for 6 people (I suspect you don't do the food shopping in your house )

I'm not saying it can't be done, but there's not many that do.

About 4 years ago I worked out our family of 4 was typically spending £18k/year, including pretty much everything (though we don't pay mortgage or rent).
I do actually, and it was a mental maths failure. For two adults we spend in the region of £70 per week on groceries, so ca £300 per month. A reasonable figure for 2 adults and 4 kids is probably 2.5 times that, so £750 - £800. Makes living on £30k p.a even less feasible!

We never order in take-aways, and eat out at least once per week so I would suggest we are a-typical.
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Old 23rd Jun 2022, 11:25
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Taken from the BBC report :

" The Department for Transport has insisted the rail industry is leading the negotiations. However, a contract seen by the BBC said train operating companies' handling of strike action was "subject to the secretary of state's direction", a reference to Grant Shapps, the transport secretary."

Which tends to support the opinion offered by Mick Lynch as to the fact this strike and responses are being orchestrated by the Gov't.

Forgot to mention, according the Boris, therefore just a usual lie, "modernisation " will result in lower fares for passengers. ...as uttered a couple of days ago.

As precedents go, fares reductions are about as likely as the Pope converting to any faith other than Catholic.


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Old 23rd Jun 2022, 11:28
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I am in two minds about the rail strike(s).

In my view we are finally seeing a backlash against rapidly rising cost of living, incessant downwards movement of Ts & Cs while at the same time politicians, board members, etc., give themselves ever bigger improvements in their Ts & Cs.

On the other hand from conversations I have had with people working in the rail industry the outdated working practices and protection of same is reminiscent of the worst of the 1970s.

Go CJ, another misinterpretation of Thatcher's words.
What she actually said was:

There is no such thing as society. There is a living tapestry of men and women and people and the beauty of that tapestry and the quality of our lives will depend upon how much each of us is prepared to take responsibility for ourselves and each of us prepared to turn round and help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate.
It is a favourite of the left wing to quote the first few words to distort the essence of what she was saying. I fear that you will provoke CJ into to getting out his colouring and underlining set again.
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Old 23rd Jun 2022, 11:53
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I agree with Fokker 1000 - a trained person up the front end is an added safety feature. There is also a lot of difference between the 'closed' system of the DLR at low speed over short distances and an express covering maybe 100 miles to its first stop. The DLR never gets cows trespassing, and even if it hit one at the low speeds it runs at, you wouldn't get a disaster like that at Polmont.. Shut ticket offices? Brilliant - BUT what happens when the machines don't work? Is this then an excuse to fine the passengers? So I'm going to say Aberdeen from Potters Bar First Class and the machines are down at Potters Bar and Stevenage where I change. Round comes the ticket collector and i offer him the £200+ fare in notes... Is he going to be happy? Especially if he has a lot of people paying cash....if the machines is down, it's quite likely that there will be a lot of people in the same situation.

As far as radio goes, I would love to hear just how complete the coverage of GSM-R is, especially in tunnels......I am sure that not every tunnel on the UK railway network has a leaky feeder for GSM-R, and the same for every cutting.
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Old 23rd Jun 2022, 11:53
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I see a lot of talk about train drivers earnings in the right-wing press.

Conveniently leaving out that train drivers aren't part of this RMT strike.
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Old 23rd Jun 2022, 12:10
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Partially correct, some will be part of the RMT strikes and some of the remainder are part of the ASLEF strikes which have their own dates and cover 12 operating companies who have been balloted. Other operating companies have existing pay deals so will not strike unless they take secondary action.

Edited.....

Mr Radeng, your assumption is based on today's infrastructure. The intent which is already published in the public domain, is to install an entirely new network which will include cuttings, tunnels etc.

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Old 23rd Jun 2022, 12:34
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Correct. GSM-R is planned to cover every part of every line in the country. And the spectrum allocation is more than adequate.
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Old 23rd Jun 2022, 12:42
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Mmmmh, are you professionally involved in this ? I'm looking at a bit of a hobby job overseas where a country with more money than sense may like to do something similar.
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Old 23rd Jun 2022, 13:15
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It is a favourite of the left wing to quote the first few words to distort the essence of what she was saying. I fear that you will provoke CJ into to getting out his colouring and underlining set again.
"There is no such thing as society. There is a living tapestry of men and women and people and the beauty of that tapestry and the quality of our lives will depend upon how much each of us is prepared to take responsibility for ourselves and each of us prepared to turn round and help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate."
While I have NO Left wing affiliations, (and, most definitely despise much of the present day Right), the reason for so many Left or Right quoting that opening sentence, is that it is the essential summary of the whole message. What Hilda was braying about was that the less fortunate in society should be dependent on charity, rather than having an expectation of the State to provide for the basics of life. Dress it up with flowery language (the natural act of the hypocrite) and it's possible to convince the gullible that there is merit in the proposition. Hilda's natural instincts were to support those who needed none, and dispossess those whose life chances were limited by misfortune - non-replaced council housing sale being the most obvious example. Should your glasses provide a roseate glow on the actions of this spite-driven apology for a human being, I can only offer commiseration that you are unable to accommodate a sense of common decency !
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Old 23rd Jun 2022, 14:37
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In response to Rail Strikes...enter, B A strikes.

Given the Rail strikes thread duly elicited the standard JB anti union froth and condemnation ..even more so when the RMT is involved, can we now expect similar outpourings of vilifying the unions, and strikers per se for that matter with this news that will ensure Mail / Excess headline "writers" will be faced with the dilemma tomorrow as to which takes prominence on the rags front pages ?

Please note, watch out for Friday's issues, page 96, bottom left, one paragraph " Tory party lose two by-elections "

Heathrow faces summer of disruption as BA staff vote to strike | British Airways | The Guardian
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