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Old 9th Jun 2022, 11:18
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Smoking Review Proposals - would it work?

The age at which people can buy tobacco and cigarettes in England should be raised year by year so that eventually no-one can buy them, a review says.

The call has been made in an independent report by ex-charity boss Javed Khan asked for by ministers.

Under the plan the age of sale would rise from 18 by one year every year so the children of today will never be allowed to buy tobacco.

The government has not agreed to the plan, but said it would consider it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61718468
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 11:30
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What tax will be brought in to replace tobacco duty?
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 11:45
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Originally Posted by ZH875 View Post
What tax will be brought in to replace tobacco duty?
A different question. Does the current tax take on tobacco products cover the cost of dealing with all the consequences of tobacco consumption? Illness, litter, dedicated infrastructure, enforcement.
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 12:14
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It will be alcohol next.
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Ridiculous. The proposed 'under age' smokers will simply get their mates to buy cigarettes for them, just as they do alcohol. Someone reaching 18 is legally considered an adult anyway and is quite entitled to purchase anything, whether it's bad for their health or not. As for the display ban in shops, are there any figures to suggest that it actually deters anyone from smoking?
I'm a non-smoker, btw.
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 14:20
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Ridiculous. The proposed 'under age' smokers will simply get their mates to buy cigarettes for them, just as they do alcohol. Someone reaching 18 is legally considered an adult anyway and is quite entitled to purchase anything, whether it's bad for their health or not. As for the display ban in shops, are there any figures to suggest that it actually deters anyone from smoking?
I'm a non-smoker, btw.
The UK is riddled with laws that aren't enforced largely because there simply aren't enough law enforcers to go around and therefore whether it be the police, trading standards or whoever else they have to prioritise. For example traffic policing priorities for road traffic don't extend far beyond catching drivers for speeding, with very little (visible) enforcement for dangerous or careless driving, and stuff like meddling with phones, putting make up on, shaving etc etc. Away from driving, the police have enough on their plates with gun and knife crime, assaults and the like without worrying if Mr Khan has sold a couple of cigarettes to 17 year old Johnny down the street.

It frankly amazes me that any young people are stupid enough to think of smoking cigarettes these days, even when I was a teenager the dangers were well known and publicised. Then I don't understand why they take recreational drugs either. Facts are that some do one or the other, some both and a new law isn't about to stop that anytime soon.
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Originally Posted by Barksdale Boy View Post
It will be alcohol next.
Fine by me... as long as a gradually reducing upper age limit isn't introduced at the same time!
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Originally Posted by stevef View Post
Ridiculous. The proposed 'under age' smokers will simply get their mates to buy cigarettes for them, just as they do alcohol. Someone reaching 18 is legally considered an adult anyway and is quite entitled to purchase anything, whether it's bad for their health or not. As for the display ban in shops, are there any figures to suggest that it actually deters anyone from smoking?
I'm a non-smoker, btw.
Entitled to purchase anything? Iíd like an M-16 and 5000 rounds of ammunition please. Sod it, throw in a bazooka for good measure.
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 19:06
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As a casual observer, on my daily travels I would have to say that the number of people smoking is minimal. When it comes to school kids, very few, although the odd time going through a park reveals a group of older kids hanging around after school and perhaps there would be someone vaping. In fact I'd say you're more likely to see someone smoking a spliff of some kind on the street(depending on the area!) than you are a cigarette smoker. Eastern European citizens seem to be still true to the cause however, no slow down around the Polski Sklep ;-)

In general it used to be cool to be a smoker and a fortune was invested into creating said cool image by the advertising agencies. That has now disappeared, as in cigarettes aren't seen as cool anymore, but the lure of the nicotine is as strong as ever to those under it's spell for better or worse. People are more health conscious these days and the number of those doing exercise has visibly increased. I think that smoking's days are numbered and with the price of them only going to go up, priorities for discretionary purchases will go elsewhere.
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I have been watching the Bond movies from the first, and smoking was very prominent in them, gradually being phased out.

A series I watched, set in 1930s Berlin, had so much smoking in it, I didn't bother watching to the end of the series.
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 22:45
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
The age at which people can buy tobacco and cigarettes in England should be raised year by year so that eventually no-one can buy them, a review says.

The call has been made in an independent report by ex-charity boss Javed Khan asked for by ministers.

Under the plan the age of sale would rise from 18 by one year every year so the children of today will never be allowed to buy tobacco.

The government has not agreed to the plan, but said it would consider it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61718468
Sorry, but there is something deeply and disgustingly illiberal about this proposal. The term "health fascists" comes to mind.
It's frightening to think how may authoritarian types are in positions of influence.
Just because this is JB, we shouldn't just laugh at these clowns.
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 17:43
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"health fascists"???

I'd raise it by TWO years every year !
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 18:09
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I donít understand how this would work. If smoking remains legal, how can they raise the minimum age beyond 18, when one is considered to be an Ďadult.í?
Not a defence or a support of smoking, just donít see how it can be done, without a wholesale ban on smoking.
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 18:20
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Originally Posted by Jump Complete View Post
I donít understand how this would work. If smoking remains legal, how can they raise the minimum age beyond 18, when one is considered to be an Ďadult.í?
Not a defence or a support of smoking, just donít see how it can be done, without a wholesale ban on smoking.
There is nothing special about 18. Legislation can lay down any age limit, upper and lower, for a range of things.
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Wait until the heart health people decide fish and chips have to go.
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 12:30
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Wait until the heart health people decide fish and chips have to go.
Way down the list! Chip shop chips in moderate portions are way healthier than Ronald's or BK as the chunky ones carry less fat and oil than the American style of 'French fries'.
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I should think the soaring price of fish will reduce the F&C aficionados fervour without any input from the heart health people. A 4 person purchase is getting into eating out territory at the moment.
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 17:51
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
I should think the soaring price of fish will reduce the F&C aficionados fervour without any input from the heart health people. A 4 person purchase is getting into eating out territory at the moment.
Curious thing is that wind back the clock 40 years and portions of fish and chips were a far more sensible size. Fish portions were certainly smaller, and if you really wanted to pig out on chips then you had to order a large portion. Today, certainly around these parts, fish are probably 50% larger, and even a glutton like me can hardly finish a standard portion of chips, and a large portion is more than enough for two people with average appetites.

Prices could probably have been kept more stable simply by reducing portion sizes.
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 21:54
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I like smokers. They generate 6-8 Billion in revenue each year and die young so don't claim their pension. That's a win-win for non smokers.
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 22:07
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I'm not in favour of banning things just because it wouldn't affect me.
What I like could be next.
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