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Do people not know how to behave in public?

Old 7th May 2022, 10:09
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Do people not know how to behave in public?

On a train at the moment. A group of about 10 twenty somethings and children just got on.
They currently have two mobile phones at full volume playing different songs.
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Old 7th May 2022, 10:40
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On a train at the moment. A group of about 10 twenty somethings and children just got on.
They currently have two mobile phones at full volume playing different songs.
They allow that in First Class??
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Old 7th May 2022, 11:05
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Old 7th May 2022, 11:56
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I think it’s the lack of awareness rather than bad behaviour which hacks me off.
They’re not actually doing anything wrong and most people don’t want to be killjoys, but playing loud music, shouting out, holding private mobile calls in public, discussing the latest adventures between the sheets for all to hear and giving no boundaries to feral children, impacts all, whether you want to be part of it or not.

The trouble is; this type rely on everyone else’s politeness and if you do speak up, you can usually expect a barrage of abuse and being told to mind your own business - which is difficult in itself because they’ve already shared it with you anyway!
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Old 7th May 2022, 12:54
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I think you hit the nail on the head with that commercial.

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I have had that happen in First Class as well on GNER out of Kings Cross on a Friday with a group of Essex women going to York for the weekend. My musical and sexual education was, shall we say broadened during the journey 😊

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Old 7th May 2022, 13:18
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Why is this relevant to pilots?
Canít you ask it on the Professional Train Driverís Network?
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Old 7th May 2022, 13:34
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Generalization is dangerous. Extrapolating from a small sample encountered in an anecdotal episode can't tell you anything about "people".

The most common mistake in that regard, as old as civilisation and allegedly already reported by Aristotle, is to claim the demise of the next generation.

In our profession and at certain airlines more pronounced than others, usually young cadet pilots are declared lacking interest, perseverance and respect ( "Millenials", "Snowflakes" etc). Apart from the above mentioned generalisation error, unknowingly a second and also very common thinking error is added. Correlation and effect is not necessarily identical. For instance, our industry possibly today attracts different levels of society, and that rather than the cultural association to their generation could result in the above unfavourable judgement.

So, just as a guess, maybe you unconsciously compare behaviour of the past to a different environment or socio-economic groups. As an example, maybe train passengers are socially incomparable to train passengers 50 years ago, maybe there was a shift of certain demographics to individual transport or maybe the neighbourhood you passed on your journey changed. Also be maybe aware that should "people" around you behave better than average or compared to your past experiences it might be less noticable and hence excluded from the equation.
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Old 7th May 2022, 14:16
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
Generalization is dangerous. Extrapolating from a small sample encountered in an anecdotal episode can't tell you anything about "people".

The most common mistake in that regard, as old as civilisation and allegedly already reported by Aristotle, is to claim the demise of the next generation.

In our profession and at certain airlines more pronounced than others, usually young cadet pilots are declared lacking interest, perseverance and respect ( "Millenials", "Snowflakes" etc). Apart from the above mentioned generalisation error, unknowingly a second and also very common thinking error is added. Correlation and effect is not necessarily identical. For instance, our industry possibly today attracts different levels of society, and that rather than the cultural association to their generation could result in the above unfavourable judgement.

So, just as a guess, maybe you unconsciously compare behaviour of the past to a different environment or socio-economic groups. As an example, maybe train passengers are socially incomparable to train passengers 50 years ago, maybe there was a shift of certain demographics to individual transport or maybe the neighbourhood you passed on your journey changed. Also be maybe aware that should "people" around you behave better than average or compared to your past experiences it might be less noticable and hence excluded from the equation.
Agree with all you say...sadly, I suspect it's wasted on the older generation who post on here....

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Old 7th May 2022, 14:45
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Originally Posted by alfaman View Post
Agree with all you say...sadly, I suspect it's wasted on the older generation who post on here....

And the essence of STWís post is lost as you generalize about the viewpoints of the entire Ďolderí generation whatever that means. Yikes.
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I was on the bus yesterday and two men in their late '40's/early '50s were having a very loud conversation, which included swearing and sexual comments about women they worked with. On the same route it's not uncommon for senior citizens (I'm one too, but don't usually act it) to take up two places by putting their shopping on the window seat instead of the floor or rack. Then they're oblivious to - or pointedly ignore - passengers having to stand because of their selfishness.
OK, some youngsters can make a nuisance of themselves (usually group bravado) but so can people plenty of adults. Don't we all just love a drunk on public transport ...
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Originally Posted by srjumbo747 View Post
Why is this relevant to pilots?
Canít you ask it on the Professional Train Driverís Network?
This is Jet Blast (see the header that states: Topics that don't fit the other forums) and virtually anything goes. I'd suggest a fair percentage of posters here aren't pilots. Some of us have got an aviation background, others just enjoy the boisterous exchanges or being part of a baying mob.
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i am seeing the same thing in other forums. There is a section for non-forum related topics. There is always someone asking why a non-forum related message is in the non-forum related section.


Originally Posted by stevef View Post
This is Jet Blast (see the header that states: Topics that don't fit the other forums) and virtually anything goes. I'd suggest a fair percentage of posters here aren't pilots. Some of us have got an aviation background, others just enjoy the boisterous exchanges or being part of a baying mob.
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Old 7th May 2022, 16:10
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Originally Posted by stevef View Post
I was on the bus yesterday and two men in their late '40's/early '50s were having a very loud conversation, which included swearing and sexual comments about women they worked with. On the same route it's not uncommon for senior citizens (I'm one too, but don't usually act it) to take up two places by putting their shopping on the window seat instead of the floor or rack. Then they're oblivious to - or pointedly ignore - passengers having to stand because of their selfishness.
OK, some youngsters can make a nuisance of themselves (usually group bravado) but so can people plenty of adults. Don't we all just love a drunk on public transport ...
Mere beginners compared to the two ladies ??..who occupied four seats between them, with their luggage, and a table...and produced their individual copies of the Mail which they read with a self contented smirk.

The delight of train travel, is, that, you will meet / listen to very broad spectrum of social demographics...which, if you like people watching, can be very entertaining...along with providing a source of inspiration for comments about such.

The lawyer discussing his cases between York and Kings X...and declining those in his immortal words " won't make us enough money "...that turned a few heads...the ladies curling team between Aviemore and Glasgow...the fine art of verbal vivisection on display...sound of one of the original brick mobiles, the proud owner telling the carriage "that'll be for me ! "....Scouse voice, very loud, at the other end " well it won;t be for anybody else will it yer t"£ $ t "...carriage collapsed with laughter ..the hen part between Barrow and Carlisle...one of them gave me a kiss bless her ...and a special mention for those splendid rugger chaps !..

.Euston to Man one evening who "persuaded " a BTP officer, who acquiesced I have to say, they were rugger chaps, not football fans (this when alcohol was banned on certain trains )...thereafter got legless, regaled us all with chaps "wit and banter ", insulted the late Jack Ashley MP for his hearing impairment...however, karma came at Stoke where they got off...sadly, one tripped and the satisfying "SPLAT ! " as its face impacted with the platform brought a smile to my face.
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An oldie but still relevant today :
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=533077653921354
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Originally Posted by off watch View Post
An oldie but still relevant today :
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=533077653921354
I'll give that one a pass. We're not all on Facebook.
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Old 7th May 2022, 17:51
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"The delight of train travel, is, that, you will meet / listen to very broad spectrum of social demographics.."

I have always found Motorway service stations the most .."different"... places
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Old 7th May 2022, 18:38
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Absolutely no-one likes to be generalised about.

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Coincidentally, this case was reported on the BBC today.

Without being there and witnessing exactly what happened, I’d like to know what “Some children in his group were throwing mud at boats in the water when they were confronted by the woman” meant exactly. Was it a group of canoeists enjoying a pleasant paddle on a sunny afternoon when a bunch of oiks started chucking stuff at them? If it was a family gathering in a park, why were the adults not aware of what the children were doing by the river and whether they were being a nuisance to other leisure facility users? Or, was it a bad tempered, impatient woman who unforgivably lashed out when a quiet word might have been sufficient?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-61356756
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Absolutely no-one likes to be generalised about.

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😂 Good shot Sir!
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YOU have the choice to be worried or concerned about..
in Russia and other coubtries they would love to have that problem...
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