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Old 26th Apr 2022, 16:16
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So, Twitter has been prised from it's present owners into the hands of Mr Musk, a mercurial 'World's richest man' who has vowed to promote free speech and is rustling up $45,000,000,000 for this pleasure. The US political left is apparently imploding at this development and the search function's of various browsers have spiked due to 'How do I delete my twitter account' requests in the last days

I have never tweeted, nor if i'm honest really understood Twitter or the Twitterverse.and am completely at a loss as to why it might be worth $45Billion. As I'm sure some of you on here might well use Twitter, would you be kind enough to explain it to me ? Sort of as a layman user, rather than having to read a wiki on the subject.
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Old 26th Apr 2022, 17:01
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Some folks got filthy rich due to the buyout....as Musk pay a large premium for those Shares.

The recently departed head of Twitter favorably endorsed the Musk buyout.

Never used Twitter for exactly the reasons Musk felt the need to buy it and fix what is wrong with it.

As you state....the radical Left is having a Three Mile Island moment over the notion that Musk promises to end Twitter censorship....something that should be very alarming to those who view Free Speech as the cornerstone of democratic societies.

The American Founding Fathers felt an informed electorate was necessary for the voters to make wise choices at election time....and our media has forsaken their responsibility for that public service.

As the radical Left abandons Twitter....we shall see those in the middle and on the right side of the political spectrum begin a large shift to Twitter over time.

Advertising income drives social media....and that is what Musk is banking upon....increased popularity, improved numbers of subscribers, and more and better advertisement income.

The political bias of today's social media is a real and serious threat to free speech.

Think not....use google or safari or a Microsoft search browser.....for some controversial topic....and compare the search results when you go to one that is not limited results by political viewpoint.....say DuckDuck.

If Musk does succeed in turning Twitter around....the pressure shall be on the other sites to compete in the marketplace or face insolvency.

CNN is shedding viewers like Rats from a sinking ship and their new streaming service CNN+ lasted a single month losing Three Hundred Million Dollars in that process.

Why would the Left be so concerned over Musk buying Twitter....look at Zuckerberg and his control over his Social Media Site.

Is it the "truth" that scares them or the fact that an opposing opinion might be heard that challenges the Leftist Agenda and Dogma?

Trump's "Truth" site has not been a stellar success either as it has had some serious roll out problems.
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Old 26th Apr 2022, 17:08
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Let’s hope he doesn’t let Trump back on it.
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Old 26th Apr 2022, 17:18
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It's like moaning about a tv programme you weren't forced to watch. Ignore and overide.

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Old 26th Apr 2022, 17:53
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Nutty,

Why would you think that?

You coming from the land of Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park and all.....where anyone can get on the soapbox and say whatever they fancy.

Why should Twitter, if dedicated to free speech, be any different?

Do you advocate limiting who can speak at the Corner?

If you do not.... but think Trump should continue to be banned from Twitter....what does that say about your fealty to the concepts of free speech?

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Old 26th Apr 2022, 18:31
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Take you pick, either way, apparently it's a cesspit

The Guardian
"Elon Musk will make Twitter worse Ė and itís already a cesspit of Nazis and killjoys"
[size=13px]https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...s-and-killjoys

The Daily MailT[/size]
"Twitter has become a liberal authoritarian bullying cesspit where debate goes to die. Elon Musk is the final hope to rescue free speech before the woke mind virus takes over big tech once and for all"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10755125/DAN-WOOTTON-Twitter-bullying-cesspit-debate-goes-die-Elon-Musk-final-hope.html
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Old 26th Apr 2022, 19:23
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Talking with a friend and trying to understand why the liberal left is having a meltdown over Musk buying Twitter... His summary: "The left is all for free speech, as long as it agrees with their views. Since Musk is not of the liberal left, views not necessarily in agreement with their views may be more 'welcome' on Twitter, and this terrifies them."

Now, whether Twitter is worth even a fraction of what Musk paid is a completely different discussion. I was a poor business school student and don't begin to understand how all these social media platforms have valuations in the zillions of dollars. I suspect there is a method to his madness, and "trolling the libs" is unlikely to be his end goal. Perhaps a nice bonus!
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Old 26th Apr 2022, 19:33
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The conversations are limited to 100 words, correct ? Doesn't that limit things ? Are users flooded with adverts so as to generate the apparent massive income that supports the buying price ? Has Musk spent that much to secure a platform with which to promote his businesses and personal beliefs ? It just seems a bit like putting all your eggs in the same basket,

I feel a bit like the person who didn't watch the latest 'must watch' tv series that is enthralling people and am on the outside looking in and wondering what all the fuss is about.
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Old 26th Apr 2022, 20:01
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Its been a long day, and frankly I really don’t care about Musk buying Twitter as neither I, or indeed my company post on that or indeed Facebook and long may it continue. I have never had a compulsion to post views of what I am or indeed my company is doing daily or even hour by our despite our IT and Marketing company stressing how important it is. In reality we make connections by putting people on planes and going and seeing them when they are interested enough to talk to us significantly on phone, Teams etc though personally I find that personal contact trumps all IT in my experience. However if I decide to go at 65 my company only has to suffer this Dinosaur for another few years, but I did bring in over 50% of our work last year despite not being in sales / marketing or having any or even part of theirs.


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Old 26th Apr 2022, 20:37
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Just to re-iterate Twitter isnít ďanti free speechĒ for fun, they have strict policies re Covid misinformation for example. You donít have the freedom speech of speech to post Covid hoax or anti vaccine content in their platform. As they are a private company that is their right btw. Trump was kicked off due to incitement of violence post January 6th, not because hey disagreed with his views. Trumpís said he wonít return to Twitter even if Musk lets him.

ďFree speechĒ means you arenít arrested by a government for an opinion (unless directly calling for harm). It doesnít mean a private company has to let everyone use their platform to spread nonsense.
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Old 26th Apr 2022, 20:38
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
The conversations are limited to 100 words, correct ?
As I remember, the original limit was 144 characters, but I think that got boosted to 288 a few years back. A friend of mine in the office is a tech geek, and he began following Stewart Cink (golfer) on Twitter back when Twitter was just "follow me see what I'm doing" novel thing.

Twitter has morphed into something different from what it started as, just as Google, Facebook, and the Music Genome Project (Pandora) have morphed into something different than they started as. Heck, so has Amazon, which started selling books.

Musk was an early adapter in a variety of tech products (co-founded online bank X.com, which merged with Confinity in 2000 to form PayPal which was bought by eBay in 2002 for $1.5 billion). He seems to have a talent for finding new ways to make money; it is my bet that he recognizes something that Twitter does and figures he can milk it for more, but, it may also be that since he's one of the richest folk around that he looks around and asks himself "OK, now I have all this money, what do I do with it?"
And so he decides that he wants to play around with {this thing}.
I note that he has had his ups and downs with Tesla but it's still a going concern. I think he'll have his ups and downs with Twitter, but will eventually improve it somehow (as a revenue generator). How that impacts the user experience doesn't matter to me.

But he has risk: some other similar service or thing may become the new "it" thing and drive a hard wedge into Twitter's profit model.
Remember Myspace? It was before Facebook, was very much an "it" thing, and then it kinda died. Could happen to Twitter.

Will be interesting to watch.
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Old 26th Apr 2022, 20:50
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The American Founding Fathers felt an informed electorate was necessary for the voters to make wise choices at election time
...and how's that working out?
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Old 26th Apr 2022, 22:08
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Nutty,

Why would you think that?

You coming from the land of Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park and all.....where anyone can get on the soapbox and say whatever they fancy.

Why should Twitter, if dedicated to free speech, be any different?

Do you advocate limiting who can speak at the Corner?

If you do not.... but think Trump should continue to be banned from Twitter....what does that say about your fealty to the concepts of free speech?
Any individual can stand on a soapbox and say ďalmostĒ anything they want (the usual caveatsĒ. For a commercial enterprise to allow known misinformation, outright falsehoods that could cause harm, I would think any halfwit board would say the risk isnít worth the risk of a lawsuit. Either in the US or the UK.

Letís be honest there arenít many above an IQ of 80 that believe anything that comes out of trumps mouth. Just a shame that there are so many in some parts of the states where that IQ level is prevalent.

Free speech isnít a get out clause. It has responsibilities. Free speech has never meant ďanybody has the right to say anythingĒ.

You have the Republican Party that would like to, and has in certain areas ban teaching of evolution in America! To facilitate the teaching that everything was created in 7 days. Or 6 with a day off, guess He had a good union.
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Free speech has never meant ďanybody has the right to say anything
No free speech is free speech, no censorship. The principle is that you can say whatever you want however be prepared to be contested on what you say. The issue with the left is they donít want the contest to begin with because theyíre scared of it.
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Letís be honest there arenít many above an IQ of 80 that believe anything that comes out of trumps mouth. Just a shame that there are so many in some parts of the states where that IQ level is prevalent.
Are you stating your personal opinion or offering that statement as fact?

That is an acceptable opinion....as opinions are like body parts....we all have one.

If you think that is a fact....then perhaps you are peddling some false information.


SV.....our Founding Fathers would be rolling over in their Graves were they aware of how their hopes and dreams have been trashed of late.





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No free speech is free speech, no censorship. The principle is that you can say whatever you want however be prepared to be contested on what you say. The issue with the left is they donít want the contest to begin with because theyíre scared of it.
Again, restrictions on free speech is when the government bans or restricts speech that isnít directly calling for harm. And hereís a few examples of that, all perpetrated by right wing conservatives:

Florida Republican Govít Officials Bend Over Backwards To Tell Everyone That They Are Punishing Disney For Its Speech

Wisconsin Senate Republicans pass bill to ban critical race theory in K-12 schools

And more examples of right wing conservatives punishing speech they dislike:

School Board in Tennessee Bans Teaching of Novel ĎMausí

How Stanford College Republicans worked with right-wing media to get an AP reporter fired

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Free Speech , only if you are a certain type

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Personally, I'm not sure many people actually believe in "free speech" - or at least they believe it means they should be able to say what they want, whereas for others . . .

Also a lot of people seem to think "free speech" means you have to say something and we all know that one about being quiet and people think you're a fool rather than speak and let them know it

My opinion, fwiw is that it's a red herring and concentrating on "free speech" (whatever it means) misses the point that it would have perhaps been better had we put a premium on "responsible speech" instead



Here's an interesting anecdote: I was at the airport one day and got into two discussions. The first was some pointless argument about whether or not people should get welfare ... or something like that. tbh I can't even remember. What I DO remember was the guy "talking" was pretty animated, had his PoV and wasn't really ready to listen to any alternative.

So I went outside and got talking to a mechanic and the subject of ballistic parachutes came up. I said that I thought they were one of the greatest aviation inventions to date, but he quietly asked me to consider a few things: They used a pyrotechnic, and how did that handle baking in the sun inside the cockpit every day? who would service them? how would they be certified? and a few other points which I have to say got me thinking

It was an interesting day and I thought about both people on the way home

The first guy I just ignored because he was a blow hard douchebag of the first order, but the second guy actually changed my mind about something
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SV,

Trey Gowdy gave a speech to the Student Body at Liberty University where he advocated "persuasion" being the best method in trying to convince others re the correctness of your own views.....and that insult was the least effectivel

It can be found on YouTube and is worth watching as he makes some very good points.

Your post would suggest you and Gowdy have some common ground on that.

Jonathan Turley today has this to say about Free Speech:

It seems that, when it comes to free speech, there are simply some people you cannot reach.
Which I think we have seen demonstrated right here at Jet Blast.

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I find the spending of 44 B on "free speech" in the West decadent, dishonest, vain and self-centered.

As we speak 120 million Russians believe their country needs to defend national interests in a "special operation". 120 million brainwashed people dehumanized by a ruthless regime. Same thing in China ( one of the biggest markets for Tesla..) These countries are basically zombie nations, void of independent citizens. Orchestrated Nationalism is on the rise because of manipulative state media and extreme censorship. Billions of people are affected.

At the same time some believe in the West "you can't say your opinion anymore" etc. Or take the gender pronoun and free speech discussion by Jordan Peterson. Or the rants of Tucker Carlson. These individuals all claim there is no free speech, but at the same time attract a huge amount of listeners and viewers, literally millions. Absurd and self-contradicting. After listening to them you could think we are all living in the Soviet Union. It is is a dramatic and hysteric exaggeration to believe there is no free speech in the West. Nowhere on the planet is it safer and easier to express one's opinion. Fighting for free speech in the West is like fighting for a local whole foods shop amidst a global famine. The real problem is of course elsewhere. How "free" is Musk to address this problem on a global scale? Will China still buy Tesla if he tackles free speech in a country where one false word ( regardless which pronoun) can end you up in a labour camp?

Yes, the exclusion of Donald was a controversial decision. I agree ( as probably everyone on the board at Twitter would) that it was a highly debatable topic, maybe they should have allowed him to continue. It was a very difficult situation with strong arguments for both sides. After letting him lie for years and years ( remember the tweet that global warming is an invention of China?) they had enough. But was he subsequently robbed of his right of free speech? He was and is one of the most listened and broadcasted individuals of all time. His audience is still massive. The impact of his ban was in the end negligible, maybe even helped him. Or just imagine there would be no Twitter at all. Nobody ever invented it. Would the world be any different? Would we be deprived of any basic right?

Additionally, let's be honest. We all select the media we trust according to our political views, not the other way around. Liberals watch MSNBC, and the deep south is tuning in to Fox etc. The very same happens at Twitter. You choose who to follow, and it is this pre-selection of opinions that has a far bigger effect than any "censorship" by some silicon valley hippie. In the future 100% might be able to post on Twitter, instead of 99.9 % today. Big deal. You all will still read the "news" that confirm your opinion, you will still watch selected youtube clips, you will still have mostly friends that largely share your views and values. Twitter will not burst our social bubbles.

Imagine what could have been achieved with 44 Billion. How many lives could have been saved, how many poor kids could have received actual help etc.

What a waste.


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